egroen 384 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 I was curious what Datsyuk's numbers might look like if he had the playing time of someone like Evgeni Malkin. Their playing time per game is a huge difference, and Malkin ends up playing essentially an extra 14 games a season (in ice time). Malkin has played 45 games, has 67 points and is on pace for 122 pts this year. Datsyuk has played 44 games, has 52 pts and is on pace for 97 points this year. Malkin has played about 86 more minutes of even strength time, which Datsyuk scores every 18:30 at (extra 4-5 points). Malkin has played 107 more minutes on the power play (over two minutes extra per game), which Datsyuk scores every 8 minutes on (extra 13 points). So with bumping up Datsyuk's even strength and power play minutes to equal Malkin, he would have an extra 17 points at 45 games putting him at 69 points to Malkin's 67 which would put Datsyuk on pace for about 126 points this year. This is still assuming Datsyuk continues to play a much more defensively responsible game at even strength than Malkin (where Malkin scores at a greater clip per minute). This is not an exact science and I am not claiming it to be... just thought it was interesting and that I would post it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 *snip* This is not an exact science and I am not claiming it to be... just thought it was interesting and that I would post it. It's not an exact science, but I'd think its reasonable Dats could end up with around 110 with similar ice time to Malkin if he were in the east. As a second part of this, you should compare their PKTOI/g and PK goals against and see who has the more effective PK time. You could compare their TA:GA and hits and SBs as well, but... Wait, does Malkin play much on the PK? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 Geno plays an average of 1:21 short handed while Pav plays 1:55. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluedevils_13 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 You should e-mail that to John Buccigross or somebody like that. Bucci will usually e-mail you back too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) It's not an exact science, but I'd think its reasonable Dats could end up with around 110 with similar ice time to Malkin if he were in the east. As a second part of this, you should compare their PKTOI/g and PK goals against and see who has the more effective PK time. You could compare their TA:GA and hits and SBs as well, but... Wait, does Malkin play much on the PK? Malkin plays 1:21 per game on the PK compared to Datsyuk's 1:55 -- but their roles are complete different (Malkin has 2 points on the PK to Datsyuk's 1). Malkin will usuually come out at the end of a PK to be there for that sneaky outlet pass, though his defense has admittedly improved this year. Datsyuk has 56 takeaways (1st) to Malkin's 50 (3rd w/ 2 extra games) but Datsyuk has only 27 giveaways to Malkin's 46. Datsyuk has a 57.2% faceoff win to Malkin's 42.2%. Someone at Hfboards actually took my TOI stats and took it further, including the other top scorers in the NHL: DetredWINgs PP time in minutes(Powerplay points)/ES time in minutes(Even strength points) Evgeni Malkin: 257(24)/719(43) Sid Crosby: 237(22)/716(36) Alex Ovechkin: 240(22)/704(34) Ryan Getzlaf: 193(25)/685(29) Marc Savard: 167.5(15)/626(36) Joe Thornton: 165.5(18)/658.5(35) Zach Parise: 161.5(13)/670(35) Patrick Elias: 157.5(17)/600(31) Jeff Carter: 115(17)/693(28) Pavel Datsyuk: 145(18)/617(33) = 52 points Pavel Datsyuk: (Evgeni Malkin) = 70.5 points(69) Pavel Datsyuk: (Sid Crosby) = 67.4 points(59) Pavel Datsyuk: (AO) = 67.6 points(57) Pavel Datsyuk: (Ryan Getzlaf)= 60.7 points(54) Pavel Datsyuk: (Marc Savard)= 54.4 points(53) Pavel Datsyuk: (Joe Thornton)= 56 points(53) Pavel Datsyuk: (Zach Parise)= 56 points(50) Pavel Datsyuk: (Patrick Elias)= 51.8 points(50) Pavel Datsyuk: (Jeff Carter)= 51.4 points(49) Edited January 17, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 Yea, I just read that a moment ago. Some of the people in that thread are ridiculously moronic, which is why I don't post on hfboards. The fact is that all of the top forwards in the West are underrated due to the more defensive style of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 As much as Dats is talked about, I really think he is still underrated league-wide. Not necessarily just points wise, or based on your number crunching and hypotheticals, but I think he's the best player in the nhl right now. I would take him over Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, Hossa, anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 As much as Dats is talked about, I really think he is still underrated league-wide. Not necessarily just points wise, or based on your number crunching and hypotheticals, but I think he's the best player in the nhl right now. I would take him over Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, Hossa, anyone. I don't know if I'd take him over Crosby, Malkin, or Ovy (if we're talking long term and not just this season), but in my mind, he is clearly the best forward. That said, Crosby/Malkin/Ovy are all better ASSETS, but not better players. Not yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 These stats aren't really a surprise. Back in the day, Yzerman was always revered by the organizations leaders for the way in which he made a commitment to defense that sacrificed his personal production. To take it a step further, these statistics don't even account for the pure mentality of a two-way forward. Malkin's role, for example, is to score (nearly) at all costs. If Malkin isn't an offensive threat all the time, the Pens likelihood of winning almost automatically decreases. The same can't be said for Datsyuk, due to the nature and depth of the wings, but that sort of team ideology can't be underestimated. Elite dedication to defense always comes at the cost of energy and scoring chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 As a sidenote, while Savard is far from a complete player, Datsyuk really has nothing on Savard in terms of being underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 I don't know if I'd take him over Crosby, Malkin, or Ovy (if we're talking long term and not just this season), but in my mind, he is clearly the best forward. That said, Crosby/Malkin/Ovy are all better ASSETS, but not better players. Not yet. I feel Datsyuk is a better all around player than Malkin, Crosby etc. While he isn't going to win a scoring title in his career, he is a strong scorer, always within the top 10 in the league, always healthy, and is worlds ahead of most other elite players in terms of defensive play, which I believe is the most underrated part of his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 As a sidenote, while Savard is far from a complete player, Datsyuk really has nothing on Savard in terms of being underrated. Yea, Savard is rather massively underrated. Actually, it's not even that he's underrated.. he's just not talked about much at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
