Leino

[Systemfel 33]

Leino leaving after this season? (Finnish link)

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The greatest hope Detroit Red Wingsin NHL camp in September, traveled Ville Leino strongly considering a return to Europe this season after.

Hockey season has elapsed AHL-League, which Leino does not agree to continue.

"AHL as I no longer next season in any event, is playing. The league is now in my part, seen and experienced," said Leino Western Savo newspaper interview.

AHL-league Grand Rapids Griffinsin team unbridled long bussimatkoineen was Leino, of harsh experience.

- Not in this league can not really any good basic rhythms of life-sustaining. Such is simply not enough time or energy. AHL: There is enough time to even look for a wife.

Leinon of career options is twofold: to try to break into Detroit or with another NHL team's ranks, or to return to Europe.

The latter option seems at this stage, more likely, even though the NHL is still Leinon number one goal.

Detroit assembly, however, is rock-hard and the team now one of NHL's best, so the line-up is very rocky - without injuries, almost impossible at the moment.

- Severe rakohan the NHL through the space is, but try to keep high on the mind and hope for the best.

The European side Leinon alternative to Sweden, Russia - or the return Jokereihin.

- I think that there could be a demand for me for many of place, Leino evaluate the Western Savolle.

[FinRedWing 172]

Yeah,he's pretty much saying he won't be playing in the AHL next season.

Can't blame him,now it's up to Kenny -what plans does he have for Ville.

I think he'll stay for sure if he gets a one-way deal.

Edited January 22, 2009 by FinRedWing

[Guest Shoreline]

Surely this team can break with at least 2 or 3 forwards to give this kid a chance next season, barring earlier chances with injuries this season. I don't think it would be wise to let him walk.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Yeah,he's pretty much saying he won't be playing in the AHL next season.

Can't blame him,now it's up to Kenny -what plans does he have for Ville.

I think he'll stay for sure if he gets a one-way deal.

I have to agree. That's mostly posturing, but obviously can't be ignored by Kenny. Based on Ville's play at the start of the season and especially in the preseason and camp, we can be sure he'll make the team when we're not up against the cap. I also suspect he might get some shifts on the third/fourth line in the playoffs ala Helmer.

[thedisappearer 291]

Out of Hossa, Franzen, Sammy, and Huds... one won't be back next year. Slide this kid in.

[DMAC 25 18]

Out of Hossa, Franzen, Sammy, and Huds... one won't be back next year. Slide this kid in.

i dont know its possible for them to be back, do you think they can re-sign hossa?

[b.shanafan14 733]

Tough call, the guy was plenty talented enough to make the team, same with Helm and Ericcson, but thanks to the salary cap and some old players taking up roster spots there just wasn't room. Next season there definitely will be room and I was really looking forward to Leino in the red and white. But its hard to explain that to a guy who came over to play for the big club, knowing no one and ends up playing a whole season on a team similar to one he could have stayed home and played for. Hopefully he guts it out, but you can't blame him if he bolts.

[b.shanafan14 733]

i dont know its possible for them to be back, do you think they can re-sign hossa?

Not a chance. Unless you lose three of Filppula, Franzen, Hudler and Samuelsson and kill our depth for one player we won a cup without.

[Yzersyukstromberg 0]

I don't blame this guy for leaving, if he does. If I'm him, and I look at the situation, with Leino being stuck in Grand Rapids, all while Draper, Maltby, Kopecky and McCarty remain on the NHL roster, I'd be pissed too. He's better than all of those guys. I realize that contract situations are forcing the Wings' hand, but if I'm Leino, I'd feel the same way. The guy just wants to play the level of hockey he came over here to play.....not AHL hockey.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Not a chance. Unless you lose three of Filppula, Franzen, Hudler and Samuelsson and kill our depth for one player we won a cup without.

[egroen 384]

Hossa will be gone. At least one, and probably two, of Samuelsson/Hudler/Franzen/Filppula will be gone. Kopecky could be gone.

Helm and Leino have a place on this team next year.

I was more worried Leino would leave during the AHL season when it became very apparent there was no room for him on the Red Wings - that he has stuck it out for this long tells me we have a very good shot of resigning him. I think this is more posturing than anything... everyone knows he will not be in the AHL next year. Give this kid a game or two during the playoff run and he's yours, Holland.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Not a chance. Unless you lose three of Filppula, Franzen, Hudler and Samuelsson and kill our depth for one player we won a cup without.

Uh, well, seeing as we're likely to lose 2, maybe even 3 of those just to be able to sign Z and one of Franzen or Hudler, its gonna happen anyhow. If Z signs for $7m/yr and Hudler OR Franzen signs for over $2.5, Flip may very well have to be traded, and Sammy will almost assuredly get a larger contract than he does now. In that case, we're going to need to replace them with cheaper players.. a perfect place for Leino to squeeze in.

Now, onto Leino, he's jumped through the hoops, impressed in training camp and done well in the AHL.. if the Wings don't bring him on next season, it's probably in the best interest of his career to head back. That said, due to the above paragraph, I'm pretty certain we'll be seeing Leino.

[VM1138 1,921]

Hossa may very well be gone, unfortunately.

However, I don't ascribe to those people who think Hudler and Franzen are going to bolt. With Hossa gone ew can clearly afford both of them.

Flip will be gone.

With Hossa gone, Kopecky will also be let go.

McCarty will probably retire or stay down in the AHL.

Lebda will probably be gone.

That leaves 3 regular lineup spots to be filled by new palyers from other teams, or Leino, Helm, etc.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Uh, well, seeing as we're likely to lose 2, maybe even 3 of those just to be able to sign Z and one of Franzen or Hudler, its gonna happen anyhow. If Z signs for $7m/yr and Hudler OR Franzen signs for over $2.5, Flip may very well have to be traded, and Sammy will almost assuredly get a larger contract than he does now. In that case, we're going to need to replace them with cheaper players.. a perfect place for Leino to squeeze in.

Now, onto Leino, he's jumped through the hoops, impressed in training camp and done well in the AHL.. if the Wings don't bring him on next season, it's probably in the best interest of his career to head back. That said, due to the above paragraph, I'm pretty certain we'll be seeing Leino.

You missed b.shanafan14's point. He was stating that we'd lose those players if Hossa was *retained*. If Hossa is let walk, all those players could realistically be re-signed even with Z's new $7 million deal.

[Mors 201]

I'd be pissed too looking at some of the people we're currently carrying on the roster (:cough: the entire 4th line :cough:) , can't blame him.

[Datsyerberger 279]

You missed b.shanafan14's point. He was stating that we'd lose those players if Hossa was *retained*. If Hossa is let walk, all those players could realistically be re-signed even with Z's new $7 million deal.

If Flip's contract magically shrinks, Franzen and Hudler are signed for 1.5m each, and Sammy signs for 1m, then yes. If Hossa is retained we likely lose every one of them, except maybe Sammy.

Sorry, not trying to rag on ya. I'd love to keep them all myself. Let me throw down some numbers. It's disheartening, really.

Lets be super optimistic, and say Franzen signs for 3, Hudler for 2, Sammy for 1.

ZDH (7 + 6.7 + 2.25) = 15.95

Franzen - Flip - Hudler (3 + 3 + 2) = 8

Cleary - Leino - Sammy = (2.85 + .9 + 1) = 4.75

Helm - Draper - Maltby = (.6 + 1.58 + .88) = 3.06

12 forwards = ~31.76

Lids - Raffi (7.45 +6) = 13.45

Kronwall - Stuart (3 + 3.75) = 6.75

Lilja - Ericsson (1.1 + .9) = 2

Lebda = .65

Meech = .5

8 d-men (one who can be 13th forward) = 23.65

[Datsyerberger 279]

You missed b.shanafan14's point. He was stating that we'd lose those players if Hossa was *retained*. If Hossa is let walk, all those players could realistically be re-signed even with Z's new $7 million deal.

If Flip's contract magically shrinks, Franzen and Hudler are signed for 1.5m each, and Sammy signs for 1m, then yes. If Hossa is retained we likely lose every one of them, except maybe Sammy.

Sorry, not trying to rag on ya. I'd love to keep them all myself. Let me throw down some numbers. It's disheartening, really.

Lets be super optimistic, and say Franzen signs for 3, Hudler for 2, Sammy for 1.

ZDH (7 + 6.7 + 2.25) = 15.95

Franzen - Flip - Hudler (3 + 3 + 2) = 8

Cleary - Leino - Sammy = (2.85 + .9 + 1) = 4.75

Helm - Draper - Maltby = (.6 + 1.58 + .88) = 3.06

12 forwards = ~31.76

Lids - Raffi (7.45 +6) = 13.45

Kronwall - Stuart (3 + 3.75) = 6.75

Lilja - Ericsson (1.1 + .9) = 2

Lebda = .65

Meech = .5

8 d-men (one who can be 13th forward) = ~23.65

Osgood = 1.4

Howard = .75 (or Larsson at .85, not a substantial difference

2 goalies = ~2.15

22 man roster 31.76 + 23.65 + 2.15 = 57.56

Drop Sammy and replace him with a .5/yr player and you're at 57.06. Drop Flip instead and replace him with a .5/yr and you're at 54.56. That works with a 55 mil cap.. if you think Hudler and Franzen will sign for a combined $5m/yr, which I don't. I think even $6m/yr combined for those 2 is optimistic, so throw that number in instead and you're at 55.56, which works at a 56m cap.. of course, thats assuming Sammy signs at a hugely optimistic 1m/yr. If he signs at 1.5/yr or more, he doesn't fit either, or if the cap is 55m with any 2 of Franzen + Flip + Hudler at a combined $6m, he doesn't fit.

Realistically, keep 2 of Hudler, Flip, Sammy, and Franzen, with atleast 1 of them at a bargain contract.

Flip + Sammy

Hudler + Sammy

Franzen + Sammy

Franzen + Hudler (that one will be the most difficult imo)

Franzen + Flip

Hudler + Flip

Edited January 22, 2009 by Datsyerberger

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Not a chance. Unless you lose three of Filppula, Franzen, Hudler and Samuelsson and kill our depth for one player we won a cup without.

Oh there's a chance- that chance relies on Franzen's agent asking for way, way, way too much (a very, very, very strong possibility given his case history), Hossa being willing to take a long front-loaded contract (if Tampa can get Vinny for under $7million cap hit we should be able to get Hossa for that) AND Hank taking a very similar deal that is a smaller cap hit. Oh, and someone expensive has to be dropped. That last part is actually the toughest. we have a huge discrepancy between the high and low contracts on this team and not too many players getting 3-5 million that are disposable.

Haha and add to that that the NHLPA would have to use their option to bump the cap up by 5% using their escrow... a possibility but not something I've heard people predicting would happen.

Given that NHL revenues have actually increased by a slight amount this year (something around 5% if Bettman isn't lying about it), I doubt that we'll see the cap drop this coming season. The season after that is probably when we'll see it drop...

[Z and D for the C 712]

Leino will play in the playoffs, probably on the third line.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

If Flip's contract magically shrinks, Franzen and Hudler are signed for 1.5m each, and Sammy signs for 1m, then yes. If Hossa is retained we likely lose every one of them, except maybe Sammy.

Sorry, not trying to rag on ya. I'd love to keep them all myself. Let me throw down some numbers. It's disheartening, really.

Lets be super optimistic, and say Franzen signs for 3, Hudler for 2, Sammy for 1.

ZDH (7 + 6.7 + 2.25) = 15.95

Franzen - Flip - Hudler (3 + 3 + 2) = 8

Cleary - Leino - Sammy = (2.85 + .9 + 1) = 4.75

Helm - Draper - Maltby = (.6 + 1.58 + .88) = 3.06

12 forwards = ~31.76

Lids - Raffi (7.45 +6) = 13.45

Kronwall - Stuart (3 + 3.75) = 6.75

Lilja - Ericsson (1.1 + .9) = 2

Lebda = .65

Meech = .5

8 d-men (one who can be 13th forward) = ~23.65

Osgood = 1.4

Howard = .75 (or Larsson at .85, not a substantial difference

2 goalies = ~2.15

22 man roster 31.76 + 23.65 + 2.15 = 57.56

Drop Sammy and replace him with a .5/yr player and you're at 57.06. Drop Flip instead and replace him with a .5/yr and you're at 54.56. That works with a 55 mil cap.. if you think Hudler and Franzen will sign for a combined $5m/yr, which I don't. I think even $6m/yr combined for those 2 is optimistic, so throw that number in instead and you're at 55.56, which works at a 56m cap.. of course, thats assuming Sammy signs at a hugely optimistic 1m/yr. If he signs at 1.5/yr or more, he doesn't fit either, or if the cap is 55m with any 2 of Franzen + Flip + Hudler at a combined $6m, he doesn't fit.

Realistically, keep 2 of Hudler, Flip, Sammy, and Franzen, with atleast 1 of them at a bargain contract.

Flip + Sammy

Hudler + Sammy

Franzen + Sammy

Franzen + Hudler (that one will be the most difficult imo)

Franzen + Flip

Hudler + Flip

No doubt the site of those numbers is depressing, but I also think some here are undestimating the power of front-loading contracts.

I don't doubt its going to be tight next year (or the fact that some players could/will get moved), but there are options to make it work.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

If Flip's contract magically shrinks, Franzen and Hudler are signed for 1.5m each, and Sammy signs for 1m, then yes. If Hossa is retained we likely lose every one of them, except maybe Sammy.

Sorry, not trying to rag on ya. I'd love to keep them all myself. Let me throw down some numbers. It's disheartening, really.

Lets be super optimistic, and say Franzen signs for 3, Hudler for 2, Sammy for 1.

ZDH (7 + 6.7 + 2.25) = 15.95

Franzen - Flip - Hudler (3 + 3 + 2) = 8

Cleary - Leino - Sammy = (2.85 + .9 + 1) = 4.75

Helm - Draper - Maltby = (.6 + 1.58 + .88) = 3.06

12 forwards = ~31.76

Lids - Raffi (7.45 +6) = 13.45

Kronwall - Stuart (3 + 3.75) = 6.75

Lilja - Ericsson (1.1 + .9) = 2

Lebda = .65

Meech = .5

8 d-men (one who can be 13th forward) = 23.65

Great post. Holland will have to make some real moves if he plans on keeping Hossa.

[2probert4 8]

Uh, well, seeing as we're likely to lose 2, maybe even 3 of those just to be able to sign Z and one of Franzen or Hudler, its gonna happen anyhow. If Z signs for $7m/yr and Hudler OR Franzen signs for over $2.5, Flip may very well have to be traded, and Sammy will almost assuredly get a larger contract than he does now. In that case, we're going to need to replace them with cheaper players.. a perfect place for Leino to squeeze in.

Now, onto Leino, he's jumped through the hoops, impressed in training camp and done well in the AHL.. if the Wings don't bring him on next season, it's probably in the best interest of his career to head back. That said, due to the above paragraph, I'm pretty certain we'll be seeing Leino.

who said anything about sammy guaranteed to return ? I think Maltby may be gone also

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Great post. Holland will have to make some real moves if he plans on keeping Hossa.

If anything, the numbers further prove the Wings have zero chance of retaining Hossa. It just can't work if the Wings are going to retain balance up front.

[Datsyerberger 279]

No doubt the site of those numbers is depressing, but I also think some here are undestimating the power of front-loading contracts.

Front-loading is how I expect Z at 7m/yr to work. It may work for Franzen as well, and get him down to 3m/yr, since he's 30. I think Sammy is going to get 1.5m/yr (or likely more) whether its front-loaded or not, and I don't think Hudler is going to take a contract smaller than 3m/yr unless it's frontloaded.

Again, using those numbers, any 2 of Franzen/Flip/Hudler for a combined 6m/year = Sammy gone (plus the odd man out). I think we're most likely to keep Franzen.. he's our only big body top 6, and we don't get anything if we lose him to UFA. We can trade Flip for picks and/or a good cheap energy player and we can lose Hudler to RFA for picks. Therefore, I think we retain Franzen, and keep one of those 2, gaining picks for the one lost, and lose Sammy to UFA. We have players trying to claw their way up from GR that we can replace Sammy and Flip or Hudler with.. Leino and Helm.

[Opie 308]

who said anything about sammy guaranteed to return ? I think Maltby may be gone also

Maltby would have to retire or be traded he is signed through 09/10.