Hossa's agent weighs in on Zetterberg deal

[spydrwebb 0]

trading flip is not the answer, bottom line. i suspect i will hear several of you people encouraging this motion loud and clear during the playoffs as you begin to recant on such a premature conclusion.

[dallas27 7]

trading flip is not the answer, bottom line. i suspect i will hear several of you people encouraging this motion loud and clear during the playoffs as you begin to recant on such a premature conclusion.

Not if he has another "Bobby Orrish" type goal. That vaulted him to superstar status here.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

However. The word seems to be on more than one message board here that Franzen will probably want to test the market. He's not paid enough in Deetroit. He knows it. "They" know it. If he chooses to stay he will probably want bigger bucks than Holland is willing to pay.

The ideal (and probably lala land) situation is that Franzen wants to stay and is willing to give something up to do it. Doesn't sound like that's the concensus here.

Well, if that is the case - then I'd let Franzen go. No sense in keeping a player who is going to demand more than we can give. In the end, it'll hurt the team as a whole.

However, when it comes to the talks - I still think Holland should talk to Franzen before Hossa and see what he has to say. Just as a matter of courtesy because Franzen has been with us longer.

And really, Franzen's big body is a sorry thing to lose here.

[dallas27 7]

And really, Franzen's big body is a sorry thing to lose here.

Marian Hossa: 6'1'' - 210 lb

Johan Franzen: 6'3'' - 218 lb

I think they wash out

[Ms_Hockey 0]

I agree with you. Franzen can play on any line, and still score. He is such a big body, and with his hands he can pretty much make anything happen. I hate saying it, but the more Hudler and Sammy play. The better they are. This year I haven't yelled at Sammy near as much as I was last year. I would keep things they way they are, and get rid of Hossa.

As much as I never thought this would happen, Sammy has been having a heck of a season so far. I can't fault him. He's really improved. And (dare I say it?) even Lilja is making me happy... which is a difficult thing for him to do.

It's going to be hard to let almost anybody go this time around.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Ms_Hockey

[spydrwebb 0]

Marian Hossa: 6'1'' - 210 lb

Johan Franzen: 6'3'' - 218 lb

I think they wash out

on paper maybe but franzen plays much bigger than his size would indicate... would prefer to keep the focus on talent and intangibles to the team... in that arena, it's no contest. i'm all for hossa making sacrifices to play here and look forward to kenny trying to secure him or franzen but it definitely appears to be one or the other, not both. either way, i trust the DRW brass.

[WingNut 25 5]

Love Franzen, but he is not at Hossa's level. We need to get Hossa locked up and then work on Franzen and Hudler. There is a lot of money coming off the books after next season and I believe Lidstrom will stay and take a lot less to help the future of the organization. I am curious to see if Hudler would take a 1 year deal. This is the first season he's really shown consistent skill and scoring. If they can convince him to take a 1 year deal and do it again, they can lock him up long term the following summer. I keep hearing how Franzen's agent is a bear to deal with, but have yet to see/hear that anywhere but this site.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Marian Hossa: 6'1'' - 210 lb

Johan Franzen: 6'3'' - 218 lb

I think they wash out

They're both large - and either one of them is going to be tough to lose considering the Wings play a much better finesse game than they do a physical game. Any physically large player is a plus for us.

That said, though.. Franzen tends to use his body a bit more. As I say, he's a hot head. He gets in there and mixes it up. Hossa is large, but the only advantage I've seen him use that towards is staying on the puck. It's hard to knock him off his skates because he's so damn big.

I would in no way label Franzen an enforcer.. but I think he brings a certain physical presence that Hossa doesn't, even given their correlated sizes.

[Statts 4]

They're both large - and either one of them is going to be tough to lose considering the Wings play a much better finesse game than they do a physical game. Any physically large player is a plus for us.

That said, though.. Franzen tends to use his body a bit more. As I say, he's a hot head. He gets in there and mixes it up. Hossa is large, but the only advantage I've seen him use that towards is staying on the puck. It's hard to knock him off his skates because he's so damn big.

I would in no way label Franzen an enforcer.. but I think he brings a certain physical presence that Hossa doesn't, even given their correlated sizes.

Completely agree.

Lets not forget, Homer is getting up there in age, and IMO the most underrated player on the roster. The best player suited for his role is Franz.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Statts

[thedatsyukian 7]

Completely agree.

Lets not forget, Homer is getting up there in age, and IMO the most underrated player on the roster. The best player suited for his role is Franz.

Great point. The way our offense and powerplay works, we need a holmstom style player to be effective. Franzen is the only person on the roster suited for this outside of the sack of crap on the fourth line.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Completely agree.

Lets not forget, Homer is getting up there in age, and IMO the most underrated player on the roster. The best player suited for his role is Franz.

Yep, couldn't agree more. I've seen Babs throw Cleary in there a couple times.. and he gets the job done as well - but it's a lot easier for Franzen because he's a physical giant.. and he's not afraid of a face-washing every now and again. In fact, he welcomes it.

[dallas27 7]

on paper maybe but franzen plays much bigger than his size would indicate... would prefer to keep the focus on talent and intangibles to the team... in that arena, it's no contest. i'm all for hossa making sacrifices to play here and look forward to kenny trying to secure him or franzen but it definitely appears to be one or the other, not both. either way, i trust the DRW brass.

In Mule's arena? Because if you are saying Franzen is better than Hossa in talent and intangibles you could not be any more off base. Franzen is a pure goal scorer, that's about it. He's not a threat anywhere else on the ice. Hossa, on the other hand, is a threat in both ends of the ice.

It all comes down to how much each wants, if Hossa wants a lot more than Franzen, grab Franzen. You can take a shot at Hudler too. If Franzen wants nearly the same as Hossa, gotta take Hossa. It's all money at this point.

[dallas27 7]

They're both large - and either one of them is going to be tough to lose considering the Wings play a much better finesse game than they do a physical game. Any physically large player is a plus for us.

That said, though.. Franzen tends to use his body a bit more. As I say, he's a hot head. He gets in there and mixes it up. Hossa is large, but the only advantage I've seen him use that towards is staying on the puck. It's hard to knock him off his skates because he's so damn big.

I would in no way label Franzen an enforcer.. but I think he brings a certain physical presence that Hossa doesn't, even given their correlated sizes.

The only person that I think has a physical presence is Homer in front of the net. Kopecky, as much as it pains me to say this, is the next person to have a physical presence. Knowing how to use your body and being a physical presence are two different things imo. It's what separates enforcers from other players.

[Statts 4]

Great point. The way our offense and powerplay works, we need a holmstom style player to be effective. Franzen is the only person on the roster suited for this outside of the sack of crap on the fourth line.

Cleary is another player, but when Kopy was filling in for Homer on the 1st with Dats and Hossa, I was hoping he would show some "homer type qualities."

[dallas27 7]

Great point. The way our offense and powerplay works, we need a holmstom style player to be effective. Franzen is the only person on the roster suited for this outside of the sack of crap on the fourth line.

The only problem with this is Franzen will never succeed where Homer does. You'll see Franzen's goals slash in half, at least, if his sole job is to sit in front of the net and screen. Franzen is best suited floating around a 5 footish radius around the net which is where he scores majority of his goals.

[Icesurfer 75]

If the salary cap stays the same for next year the Wings have 14.958 million to replace the 8 expiring contracts. (Z, Hossa, Franzen, Sammy, Hudler, Chelios, Kopecky, & Conklin)

Here are 2 scenarios for keeping Hossa OR keeping Franzen and Hudler without trading away Filppula or other bigger contracts.

Scenario 1: NO HOSSA OR SAMMY (In millions): Franzen & Hudler would also have to take a home team discount:

6.08 - Zetterberg

1.8 - Hudler

0.6 - Helm

0.875 - Leino (RFA – not signed yet)

3.4 - Franzen

0.716 – Howard or other backup goalie

0.525 - Kopecky

0.9 - Ericsson (Lebda and Meech on the bench, Chelios retires to bench coach)

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14.896 mil = TOTAL

Scenario 2: NO HUDLER OR FRANZEN:

6.08 - Z

6.0 – Hossa (similar creative deal like Z's)

0.6 - Helm

0.875 - Leino

1.2 - Sammy (if he comes back for same salary)

0.716 – Howard or other backup

0.525 – Kopecky

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15.996 mil = TOTAL (salary cap would have to increase by about $1 mil)

Can’t afford 8 defencemen (If Ericsson will be with Wings Lilja will have to be traded, Chelios retires. Ericsson is .30 less than Lilja) Only Meech on the bench.

So based on which way the Wings choose to go I don't think they will be signing any more players until they know what the salary cap will be. There is NO way the Wings can sign both Hossa and Franzen unless they trade away some big contracts like Filppula and someone else.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Never_Retire_Steve 35]

There is no way Hossa takes 6 million a year.

Although Hossa is the better player, I believe that Franzen fits better into Detroit's lineup and would rather see us go that way at around 4 million or so (not any more than that)

[Statts 4]

The only problem with this is Franzen will never succeed where Homer does. You'll see Franzen's goals slash in half, at least, if his sole job is to sit in front of the net and screen. Franzen is best suited floating around a 5 footish radius around the net which is where he scores majority of his goals.

Homer is the best at what he does no doubt, but when he is gone, having Mule on the team is more crucial than Hossa.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

The only person that I think has a physical presence is Homer in front of the net. Kopecky, as much as it pains me to say this, is the next person to have a physical presence. Knowing how to use your body and being a physical presence are two different things imo. It's what separates enforcers from other players.

While I completely understand where you're coming from (minus the Kopecky thing maybe - he's been irritating me since the start), I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

I honestly feel that Franzen is a physical force on the ice. Hossa and Franzen use their size in two completely different ways - and I just prefer Franzen's over Hossa's as of now.. but I do see what you're saying about the difference between being a physical presence and knowing how to use your body.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Ms_Hockey

[Ms_Hockey 0]

There is no way Hossa takes 6 million a year.

Although Hossa is the better player, I believe that Franzen fits better into Detroit's lineup and would rather see us go that way at around 4 million or so (not any more than that)

IF Hossa were to decide to take $6m a year, I'd probably pass out in my living room.

But I don't think he will, either. He knows he's worth way more on the market. He has no emotional ties to Detroit the way some of these other players do. He's got virtually nothing to lose by signing for big bucks with someone else.

[Z and D for the C 712]

And really, Franzen's big body is a sorry thing to lose here.

I hear a lot of people talk about Franzen's "big body", but he sure doesn't play like he has one. Hossa is a couple inches shorter but actually uses his body.

I'll take Hossa & Huds months before I take Hossa and Franzen.

ZDH

Hossa Huds Flip

^ Great lineup, I think.

Edit: Frankly though it's irrelevant, we're not going to be able to sign Hossa and Hudler or Franzen while having any sort of depth

Edited January 29, 2009 by Z and D for the C

[Z and D for the C 712]

But I don't think he will, either. He knows he's worth way more on the market. He has no emotional ties to Detroit the way some of these other players do. He's got virtually nothing to lose by signing for big bucks with someone else.

Except for playing on the Red Wings. Something he has a deep desire for.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Except for playing on the Red Wings. Something he has a deep desire for.

I really haven't heard anything about Hossa having a deep desire to play on the Wings. I was sure he was here to win the Cup and then move on to other things.

[WingNut 25 5]

I really haven't heard anything about Hossa having a deep desire to play on the Wings. I was sure he was here to win the Cup and then move on to other things.

You don't read much then. Hossa and his agent say he loves it here and wants to stay.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

You don't read much then. Hossa and his agent say he loves it here and wants to stay.

I read enough. And if those exact words were said, it'd be number one on this forum.

I have read that Hossa's agent said Hossa likes it in Detroit - but as far as wanting to stay, I have yet to see.

We'll have to watch and see how the dust settles in the end. The question is going to end up being how much Hossa & Franzen would both be willing to sacrifice to stay with this team.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Ms_Hockey