jason_0931 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Leino will sit out tonight game and Dereck Helm gets inserted. I think this is a necessary move considering Zetterberg is back in. I think all to often people on message boards forget that players have different roles on the team and you can't insert a Leino in for a guy like Kopecky or Maltby! Leino in not a 4th line grinder. If you want Leino to get NHL ice time you have to sit someone from the 3rd line. So that is Samuelsson, Fillpula or Cleary. In my mind its Samuelsson that needs to go bye bye!!! Thoughts/reactions? www.mlive.com Edited February 4, 2009 by jason_0931 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Good ... Dude needs to sit in the press box and watch how to back check or play in our own zone .. he looked outta place vs Washington ... he has offensive upside but hes like a Robert Lang on the back check.. enjoy the view bud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeta Power 40 1 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Leino and Helm will play saturday, put them on a line togther, that should be magic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 meh. idc to much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Leino will sit out tonight game and Dereck Helm gets inserted. I think this is a necessary move considering Zetterberg is back in. I think all to often people on message boards forget that players have different roles on the team and you can't insert a Leino in for a guy like Kopecky or Maltby! Leino in not a 4th line grinder. If you want Leino to get NHL ice time you have to sit someone from the 3rd line. So that is Samuelsson, Fillpula or Cleary. In my mind its Samuelsson that needs to go bye bye!!! Thoughts/reactions? www.mlive.com Based on what....the thoughts of some of the sheep on this site? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Baaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaaaaa! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Pretty bizarre decisions on this team lately...it really boggles the mind that Kopecky has an untouchable roster position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Everyone has to wait their turn. Glad to here the gr guys are getting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Is this Derick Helm at least as good as Darren Helm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Leino will sit out tonight game and Dereck Helm gets inserted. I think this is a necessary move considering Zetterberg is back in. I think all to often people on message boards forget that players have different roles on the team and you can't insert a Leino in for a guy like Kopecky or Maltby! Leino in not a 4th line grinder. If you want Leino to get NHL ice time you have to sit someone from the 3rd line. So that is Samuelsson, Fillpula or Cleary. In my mind its Samuelsson that needs to go bye bye!!! Don't you think Helm could play in the 4th line replacing maybe Kopecky or Maltby or even Draper? With Leino in the line-up and say Kopecky out the lines coule be like this for example: Hossa-Zetterberg-Leino Franzen-Datsyuk-Samuelsson Cleary-Filppula-Hudler Maltby-Draper-Helm Samuelsson has more points than Holmström and just one less than Franzén. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 In my mind its Samuelsson that needs to go bye bye!!! 46 GP 12 g 20a 32pts 32 pim Say good bye to those stats while you bring in an unproven rookie who is having a hard time back checking! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Pretty bizarre decisions on this team lately...it really boggles the mind that Kopecky has an untouchable roster position. I'm 99% positive that I'm the only one who thinks this, but this year Kopecky has been our top grinder, and pretty much has done what should be expected of him as a fourth line getting-paid-next-to-nothing youngster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 I'm 99% positive that I'm the only one who thinks this, but this year Kopecky has been our top grinder, and pretty much has done what should be expected of him as a fourth line getting-paid-next-to-nothing youngster. He is not paid to score, he is not being paid to make the 4th line work. He is a young player, who is on a line with guys who have lost a step. People want to blame Kopecky (not you Echolia obviously), but all he is doing is going out and grinding, it is not like Dats and Z or Hossa are on his line and he is not producing. But there always has to be a whipping boy on this team, even on the all-star 02 team Boyd the Void got ragged on incessantly. Him or Dandy either one. The team is in 3rd place in the entire league, can you imagine what this team would be doing if they lived up to every posters hopes, dreams, desires, wants, or whatever other term you want. They would go 98-0 each year!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Honestly, I'm just excited to see Helm thrown in the mix. I liked Leino - he really impressed me.. but I'm more excited to see Helm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 not that im complainig but is Kopecky killing penelties b/c Z is hurt or is Hossa not killin now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 not that im complainig but is Kopecky killing penelties b/c Z is hurt or is Hossa not killin now? I think it depends on the game situation, it looked like during the 5 min major that Babs used 4-5 if not more combos on the PK. I think it would also depend on what line just got off of the ice and who is in the box. But I thought Hossa was out there with Dats after the face off and zone being cleared. For instance (hypothetical based not on real line ups) if Franzen sits in the bin for 2 and his pk partner is usually Hossa, for chemistry sake you may not want to throw Hossa out with Draper. Speaking of the 5 min major, did anyone else notice how Draper took all (Most is probably a better term) of the own zone face offs, and then once the PK cleared the zone he hopped over the boards? Babs is thinking during these games, he is not going through the motions. Which makes me wonder even more why people 2nd guess his line combos and roster moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Kopecky has to be one of the worst grinders in the league, he's leading the team in "hits", yet I don't think he's wearing down or intimidating anyone with his lovetaps. Dallas Drake was a ******* grinder, Kopecky is a clown and a waste of space. He now has 22 points in a 153 games with a +/- of 0. Comparing him to Maltby and Draper who should both be retiring after this season doesn't raise his stock at all, the "best" of the worst doesn't say much. Oh, and since you brought it up, Boyd The Void Devereux is infinitely better than Kopecky will ever be. Edited February 4, 2009 by Mors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsook 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 I usually agree with babcocks decisions. I think he's doing it so Leino doesn't get a "big head" I mean he scored a sweet goal in his first game, has 2 points, +2. Maybe Mike just wants to let him know he has to earn his stripes; that it wont' just be handed to him. And I sort of agree that you can't scratch Kope and replace him with Leino since they have different roles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pokemonbreeder18 6 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Sorry to be annoying but Helm's first name is Darren not Dereck....back on topic I do think it is a wise desicion because then Leino won't get his head in the clouds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 What do you mean Leino is going to get a "big head"? After playing the GR for the past 4 months I think he deserves some NHL gamers. What is wrong with Leino getting some confidence? I think it's a dumb move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 I'm going to have to assume there's a good reason why Leino's sitting out tonight. I do want to note, however, that he's sitting instead of being sent back down to GR. If they weren't still going to give him more playing time they'd bring someone else up with the cap room (a goalie or d-man). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Kopecky has to be one of the worst grinders in the league, he's leading the team in "hits", yet I don't think he's wearing down or intimidating anyone with his lovetaps. Dallas Drake was a ******* grinder, Kopecky is a clown and a waste of space. He now has 22 points in a 153 games with a +/- of 0. Comparing him to Maltby and Draper who should both be retiring after this season doesn't raise his stock at all, the "best" of the worst doesn't say much. Oh, and since you brought it up, Boyd The Void Devereux is infinitely better than Kopecky will ever be. A) Have you seen some of the rosters around the league????? B) Having two people who are without a doubt a step behind the game, is not going to help him. Even if he were the best grinder the game has ever seen what can he do when his line mates are out of position? This is not basketball, one player can not win the game (or even a shift) on his own. I am not saying he is the best ever or even that he is the best option, but with no cap room and a month left until the TD the Wings have to evaluate what they have for this year's push and for the upcoming years. If Kopecky is sent down he in all likelihood will be lost to waivers. You may not think so but the Wings think he is worth more than being lost to waivers. When Stuart comes back, the team will have no leverage against the cap to do anything and will need to know where they stand and what they have. They may see that Leino, Abdelkader, Helm, Hartigan or whomever has more value to them and then let Kopecky go to Waivers if no one wants him in trade and then bring up one of the others to take his place. They may trade flip and waive Kopecky and then bring up Leino and Abdelkader. Who knows. Unfortunately with the signing of Hossa, Stuart, and Flip this offseason the team has no cap space, which also means no way to evaluate talent that is in the AHL other than to let them play in the AHL. C) I never compared Boyd and Kopecky. The fact that Meech has been getting time for Maltby and Kopecky is a sign of the value and long term goals the team has for these two players. The problem is that if they bring up Leino for Kopecky and 2 weeks later realize it was a grave mistake, too late, he is gone from waivers. The freedom to experiment with the lines on this team is very limited this season. They pretty much have the 22 players and that is it! BTW: Before I take you assessment of players as the word of Hockey can I see your Player development/Scouting resume! (You state your opinion like it is fact, I don't really know you from other posters who post their opinion as fact or others who post their opinion as opinion. But since you didn't say it was your opinion it comes off as though it is a fact.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsook 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 What do you mean Leino is going to get a "big head"? After playing the GR for the past 4 months I think he deserves some NHL gamers. What is wrong with Leino getting some confidence? I think it's a dumb move. I didn't say it was the right decision, I'm just trying to justify what Babcock is thinking. And by big head I mean maybe Babcock is keeping the youngsters in check because he doesn't want them to have a sense of entitlement? I don't know Who knows. There must be a good reason. Let's blame bettman:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 I don't understand this move, I was excited in watching Leino play tonight ... sucks for me, I didn't get to watch his past 2 games ... At least Helm is in the lineup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted February 4, 2009 Let's blame bettman:) He probably demanded that leino was taken out so we wouldn't be so freaking good. It works for me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
