Trade Deadline

[going_top_shelf 6]

I personally feel like Kenny will make some sort of forward trade, as in maybe Flip or some draft picks for another more physical yet offensively effective forward. Honestly I think a new forward on the roster would be pretty cool as long as it didn't mess with the chemistry so much.

Your thoughts?

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Someone here mentioned the possibility of Flipulla for Neal and Smith in Ottawa. While that wont happen, it would make me happy

[Yzerman191 37]

I think the roster stays mostly intact at this point in the season. Holland has repeatedly said that he's not in the market for a goaltender, despite our current situation. If a trade needs to happen to fit under next season's salary cap, I think it'll take place after the post-season. I seriously doubt a guy like Flip is moved before a legit playoff run.

I bet we go for some defensive depth, or maybe a Drake-like player.

[egroen 384]

I would be shocked if Holland traded a roster player at the deadline (though not necessarily disappointed).

If Stuart is still skakey and/or the defense has not significantly shaped up, I bet he finds some more defensive depth.

I don't think he does anything with the goaltenders, and there is always a chance he brings in a gritty 3rd/4th liner - like a Neil or Roberts type. Neil for a 2nd sounds quite nice, but it might be a tad too little. Neil for Filppula is a complete raping of Holland - and Ottawa would have to throw some serious compensation along with Neil... but I just do not think Holland would trade a roster player, who helped us win a Cup, at the trade deadline - unless it is was a deal he couldn;t refuse - and no one offers those to the Red Wings.

I am fine with him doing absolutely nothing, and hope to see guys like Helm and Leino given playing time. Even McCarty can always be effective in the playoffs.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

I wouldn't be surprised by an acquisition similar to Stuart, a couple of middling picks for a depth defenseman.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Holland won't trade Filppula before the playoffs for the hell of it. The only way hes traded is if the Wings get an offer they can't refuse. Otherwise, theres nothing we're going to add thats significant enough to require us to move salary, and we definitely aren't going to be getting anything more valuable than Filppula would be in the playoffs via a pick, prospect, or tertiary player trade. I'm not a huge Filppula fan, but that has everything to do with his salary in relation to his production and performance. Salary notwithstanding, hes exactly the type of guy you cant have too many of going into the playoffs.

I can't see the Wings realistically making a move to add another goalie or Dman, despite those being our primary and secondary weaknesses. At best, we'll add a 4th line veteran, and I wouldn't be surprised if its a name thats not even on the radar right now.

But with that said, I'm going to live in a fantastical state of denial, and hope that we'll somehow find an upgrade in net.

[egroen 384]

Last year I advocated on this board for Holland to load up to the cap at the beginning of the season with UFAs that do not require any further loss of assets, instead of holding cap room until the end of the season and trading away draft picks and prospects to fill whatever holes. Obviously Holland was reading and did exactly what I suggested -- so I certainly will not ***** when we are not able to make a big splash at the trade deadline. I think he played it right, and this team already has a ton of depth to make a very effective and long playoff run.

Edited February 14, 2009 by egroen

[daniel1 32]

Holland won't trade Filppula before the playoffs for the hell of it. The only way hes traded is if the Wings get an offer they can't refuse. Otherwise, theres nothing we're going to add thats significant enough to require us to move salary, and we definitely aren't going to be getting anything more valuable than Filppula would be in the playoffs via a pick, prospect, or tertiary player trade. I'm not a huge Filppula fan, but that has everything to do with his salary in relation to his production and performance. Salary notwithstanding, hes exactly the type of guy you cant have too many of going into the playoffs.

I can't see the Wings realistically making a move to add another goalie or Dman, despite those being our primary and secondary weaknesses. At best, we'll add a 4th line veteran, and I wouldn't be surprised if its a name thats not even on the radar right now.

But with that said, I'm going to live in a fantastical state of denial, and hope that we'll somehow find an upgrade in net.

Our "upgrade" in net was sitting on the bench tonight tracking faceoffs and waiting to record his next (will be league leading) shutout.

[Winged_Wheeler 3]

Filppula is not being traded.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Our "upgrade" in net was sitting on the bench tonight tracking faceoffs and waiting to record his next (will be league leading) shutout.

Possibly. But we don't really know what he can do in the playoffs. Trust me - I'm definitely a member of the "we never know what he'll do in the playoffs until hes given a chance" camp - but hes not exactly the greatest insurance policy.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I wouldn't be surprised by an acquisition similar to Stuart, a couple of middling picks for a depth defenseman.

Why? We have 9 NHL capable Dmen, 7 of which are playoff tested. If we add a guy that comes on the cheap, he won't be better than anyone in the top 6. And if we add a guy who is better than some of the guys in our top 6, he'll cost too much for it to be worth it. I'd rather keep our 2nd round pick, as even Dmen who cost a 2nd round pick aren't likely to be better than any of our top 5.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Why? We have 9 NHL capable Dmen, 7 of which are playoff tested. If we add a guy that comes on the cheap, he won't be better than anyone in the top 6. And if we add a guy who is better than some of the guys in our top 6, he'll cost too much for it to be worth it. I'd rather keep our 2nd round pick, as even Dmen who cost a 2nd round pick aren't likely to be better than any of our top 5.

I didn't say it was the best idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. Kenny likes him his defensive depth.

I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of picks (no more than two certainly) going for a veteran fourth liner who can add some legitimate grit. Look at me, I'm original.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I didn't say it was the best idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. Kenny likes him his defensive depth.

I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of picks (no more than two certainly) going for a veteran fourth liner who can add some legitimate grit. Look at me, I'm original.

True. He does. But you could just consider keeping Chelios around as our "deadline depth acquisition." Especially with this inane idea that Jason Smith would someone be anything more than a locker room presence on this team - and this is coming from a Smith fan.

[miller76 463]

I think if Holland does anything it's gonna be shedding some salary. Getting rid of someone that he feels the team can go on and be sucessfull without, in return for some draft picks. I think the team we see now, is pretty much the team we see in the playoff run.

Does anyone know of a list of the Wings roster who have 'no trade clauses'?

I know Stuart and Hossa have them.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

As myself, & others have mentioned Chris Neil would be a nice addition - however I doubt it'll happen.

A few weeks ago, I think Neil could've been a possibility, but now with Helm and Leino having gotten their chance to prove that this team has depth out the ass up front, I don't think the Wings will get in a bidding war for any player in particular - and Neil's services would demand that.

The only thing I can see, at this point, is a gritty Drake type who costs us next to nothing. And its probably gonna be random. Something like Dan Hinote for a 6th round pick or something.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I think if Holland does anything it's gonna be shedding some salary. Getting rid of someone that he feels the team can go on and be sucessfull without, in return for some draft picks. I think the team we see now, is pretty much the team we see in the playoff run.

Does anyone know of a list of the Wings roster who have 'no trade clauses'?

I know Stuart and Hossa have them.

Hossa does. Stuart's doesn't kick in until the end of the 2nd year of his contract is up.

Draper, Rafalski, and Cleary all have NTCs as well.

[miller76 463]

Hossa does. Stuart's doesn't kick in until the end of the 2nd year of his contract is up.

Draper, Rafalski, and Cleary all have NTCs as well.

Thanks YG1340. I didn't realize that Staurts NTC was that way.

[egroen 384]

I think if Holland does anything it's gonna be shedding some salary. Getting rid of someone that he feels the team can go on and be sucessfull without, in return for some draft picks. I think the team we see now, is pretty much the team we see in the playoff run.

Does anyone know of a list of the Wings roster who have 'no trade clauses'?

I know Stuart and Hossa have them.

This year: Draper, Cleary, Stuart, Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Rafalski.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Hossa does. Stuart's doesn't kick in until the end of the 2nd year of his contract is up.

Isn't it the other way around? It's in effect until after the second year of his contract?

[egroen 384]

Isn't it the other way around? It's in effect until after the second year of his contract?

He has a no-trade clause in his first two years and a limited afterwards (limits are never disclosed, but I would bet it would be to a west coast team so he could be with his family).

Edited February 14, 2009 by egroen

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Isn't it the other way around? It's in effect until after the second year of his contract?

Yes, you're right. I just looked it up.

[VM1138 1,921]

Holland said he wasn't going to be active in trades unless the Wings suffer from a key injury. As far as I know Stuart, Franz and Holmer will be back in time for the playoffs.

Cross the fingers that no injuries happen from now til then.

As of now, NO trades will be taking place.

I wouldn't bank on it. I bet we make one move. It won't be a deadline-buster, but a small, key role playing move might work. I think we need to make a move just by virtue of getting another person hungry for the Cup.

Every year we scramble to demand Kennyt o take action, but I've always had faith with him. I know he will do the right thing, whether he trades or not, but I really think we'll make at least one small move.

[wingslionstigers 12]

Flip aint going nowhere. Babcock just said tonight he thinks hes our best guy breaking up the center and has alot of potential. He just needs a bigger role and you will see good things from him.

[Shaman 713]

Flip aint going nowhere. Babcock just said tonight he thinks hes our best guy breaking up the center and has alot of potential. He just needs a bigger role and you will see good things from him.

You never tell people someone you want to trade is overpaid, not living up to his potential, how do you expect them to unload him

[luvmnger 125]

i am not a big "make a rumor" kinda guy but....

i was thumbing through the available "names" and i came across

nic havelid

for some reason he keeps making me think he is a target for us.

defensive defenseman....big....always a plus player....small scoring numbers....cheap...on a selling team..atlanta.

SWEDISH.

yup....he'll probably wear #4