2/15 GDT: Avalanche 6, Red Wings 5 (SO)

[P. Marlowe 748]

English ain't my native language...you can try and switch to swedish right now and we'll see how good you are.. show some respect you dickhead.

I didn't mean your grammar. That's way off with most here including me, English isn't my first language either. I meant more your style. You have same kind of opinions than many here, but you express them in a similar way Semin fought Staal earlier this season. Semin propably called Staal "dickhead" too.

[Wingsallwin 0]

Our defense has melted down as well and Conklin isn't playing well enough to carry a team in the playoffs and he's got 5 minutes experience. Seriously.

Who is more reliable, Conklin or Osgood? Can you say Osgood with this terrible performance everyday and awful stats?

[gcom007 1,465]

I wouldn't argue against that, it it weren't at the cost of regulation points.

And Conklin's got basically the same W-L record as Osgood this season. So, what's your point again?

[Z and D for the C 712]

Right. Ever heard of clearing waivers?

Who would want him?

[Yak19 303]

Anyone who thinks Osgood is just *POOOF* magically going to start playing well in the playoffs is crazy, he was solid all of last year in the regular season, he is different right now, the job goes to the guy playing better and that is Conklin, he may not have the experience but so didn't alot of goalies who got it done in the playoffs.

[Vladifan 680]

This board suffers from a defeatist attitude. Even when he did some things well, it was "Ozzie finally stopped a shot." "Ozzie saved a breakaway for once in his life." A majority on here dislike Osgood right now, with good reason, and so you look for things to confirm your notion that he is a horrible goaltender and really stick it to him. Yes, he is losing the game right now. Yes, his game is not where it was last year and certainly nowhere close to where it needs to be. Yes, it is very possible he might not start for the playoffs. I don't know what's wrong with him, but for me at least, I love the guy and I don't much care for talking about my own goalie that way. Keep your head up Oz!

Agreed. I don't know of any Ozzie supporters here that don't realize he has problems right now. That he needs work, and needs to improve. But right now, he's our goalie. He has been a huge part of our past glory and there's no way I will give up on him. Like it's my choice anyway! Bottom line? Babcock needs Ozzie to succeed. He can't and he won't turn his back on him. He not only understands that Ozzie needs work, he also knows that the whole team - especially the defense - needs work, if they hope to succeed this season. The whole team needs to re-focus and succeed. It's called PERSPECTIVE.

Meanwhile, the flameheads here absolutely agree that Ozzie sucks. He needs to be replaced , traded or gone. Ozzie no longer has any value whatsoever to this team. Their responses have mostly to do with calling him names. Their view is absolute. Not real logical or helpful, is it...

How does one arrive at such an irrational and over-emotional decision? Their egos have been damaged. It is a personal affront to them that Ozzie has let THEM down. It's not about the team or coming up with real, creative answers or even hoping that Ozzie will come through. Conklin should start and Oz, if he kisses their collective asses, may be the backup.

I lift my leg in their general direction, mostly for their sheer lack of anything that would actually help this team.

[TheOwl 77]

Do you HONESTLY think Babcock is going to start Conklin? Really?

Well if he wants to lose, then he'll go with Ozzy. But if he wants to win, it'll be Conks. The fact is being the Wings goalie is the easiest job in the league. You face half the number of shots as the goalie across from you, and you basically can let in 3 goals every night, and 90% of the time, your team will win. Think of it this way, more or less, if Conks or Ozzy let in 3 goals in every single play-off games, no more no less, then Wings will probably win the cup. Now, who do you trust to stop 17 of 20 shots every game in the play-offs? Ozzy, or Conklin.

Experience is meaningless to the Detroit goalie. Just don't let in more then 3 goals. How hard is that? The majority of the goalies in the league could do it. But Osgood can't. And he will fail in the play-offs. 100%. I'll bet you 10,000$.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Their amps go to eleven! \m/

But why can't they just make 10 louder and have the amps go to 10?

Edited February 16, 2009 by Electrophile

[VM1138 1,921]

Can someone pull up how many 3+ goal games Conklin and Osgood have allowed, respectively, compared to total games played?

And then perhaps games played/goals allowed for each?

I still stand by my statement that playing Ozzie "until he gets going" only creates a goalie with a confidence problem going into the playoffs, forcing us to rely on the unproven goalie some of you seem to hate so much despite his superior play.

I have a feeling though that Ozzie, if allowed to rest, will come strong in the playoffs and steal us some crucial games on the way to back-to-back Cups!

[Z and D for the C 712]

But why can't they just make 10 louder and have the amps go to 10?

More control.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

But why can't they just make 10 louder and have the amps go to 10?

..................these go to 11.

[gcom007 1,465]

Last season Osgood and Hasek had extremely similar, league leading stats. Hasek never was absolutely horrible like osgood has been this season. They're two similar situations with completely different circumstances. Conklin's stats are head and shoulder's over Osgood's this year. In 07/08, Osgood's stats were never head and shoulder's above Hasek's.

Do you see what I'm saying or should I repeat the same thing in different ways over and over?

Actually, Hasek had a lot of rough spots in front of a defense that was playing 10X beter than our guys are playing this year. And you're not even disputing my point really. I agree, they're completely different circumstances. You had 2 Cup winners last year capable of starting. This year you have the defending Cup winner and a guy with 5 minutes of playoff experience. And if Ty Conklin's such a great goalie, why is his W-L record basically the same as Osgood's? And why has he posted nearly identical numbers as Osgood if you look at January and February since Osgood's come back from injury?

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Just watching this game early on was a good indicator the Wings weren't bringing it today. It took a spat of power-plays in the second period to even get the juices flowing.

The effort today, from goal on out, was pathetically bad. The only guy that seemed to be giving a full effort today was Helm.

Definitely a phone-it-in effort.

All three games vs. the Avs have been "phone it in". This team has no desire to "bring it" vs. a bottom feeding team, and most players don't remember any rivalry because they weren't around.

Sad for me to see because I live in Denver and I'd love for them to play with intensity and blow them out - but likely not going to happen this season.

I hate to say it but the Wings did not deserve to win today, poor goaltending or no, we sleptwalk our way to 5 goals, but got to hand it to an Avs team full of journeymen - they didn't give up and deserved to win in the end.

Hopefully the Wings will be embarrassed by this and actually show up next game.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Last year Osgood GAA 2.09 SV% .914 Hasek GAA 2.14 SV% .902 This year Osgood GAA 3.24 SV% .881 Conklin GAA 2.34 SV% .915. This is completely different year from last year Hasek's numbers were actually decent enough to give him the start in the playoffs.

[Electrophile 3,554]

..................these go to 11.

Does that mean it's louder?

[beepbeep 3]

Legace's GAA and SV% was better than Osgoods and they sent him to the AHL. Send Osgood down, maybe with less pressure he can get his game together..........He sure as hell won't be winning any playoff games the way he's playing....I don't care what he is saying media about how good he feels, his confidence has to be in the toilet. Maybe a half dozen games for the Griffins with less pressure will help...........

[gcom007 1,465]

Think of it this way, more or less, if Conks or Ozzy let in 3 goals in every single play-off games, no more no less, then Wings will probably win the cup. Now, who do you trust to stop 17 of 20 shots every game in the play-offs? Ozzy, or Conklin.

Experience is meaningless to the Detroit goalie. Just don't let in more then 3 goals. How hard is that? The majority of the goalies in the league could do it. But Osgood can't. And he will fail in the play-offs. 100%. I'll bet you 10,000$.

Neither right now.

I'd bet you $10,000 that Conklin would fail too. He will fail. 100%.

Conklin might be more overrated than Legace was right now. It's really unbelievable. I think he's done a fine job this year, but great? Not a chance in hell. No way. He's had plenty of shaky starts as well. He's given up 3+ goals in more games than he's given up 2 or less. He's also got a comparable W-L record to Osgood's and similar 2009 stats. This is Manny Legace all over again...

[gcom007 1,465]

Can someone pull up how many 3+ goal games Conklin and Osgood have allowed, respectively, compared to total games played?

And then perhaps games played/goals allowed for each?

I still stand by my statement that playing Ozzie "until he gets going" only creates a goalie with a confidence problem going into the playoffs, forcing us to rely on the unproven goalie some of you seem to hate so much despite his superior play.

I have a feeling though that Ozzie, if allowed to rest, will come strong in the playoffs and steal us some crucial games on the way to back-to-back Cups!

I posted this as of a couple weeks ago in another thread. A breakdown of how many GA games they had as well as a bit more info about certain circumstances. When people saw that it didn't make Conklin look too good, it was pretty much ignored.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Everyone wants Conklin to start in the playoffs and that's fine and dandy. Okay. Say we go ahead and do that. Then say Conks ******* s***s the bed. Which is a possibility, no matter who is the goalie. Then what will all you braying donkeys want Babcock to do?

[Vladifan 680]

Osgood should die a slow painful death. Because that's what watching a Red Wings game feels like when Osgood is in net.

Plus you can't shoot him. The bullet would go right past him.

As a gold member of the "late night crew", it's not late enough, dude. That is not funny. Your statement couldn't be more offensive if you tried. That is like a 13-year old's reaction to having his Mp3 player taken away by his mother.

Grow up and try being a real example on this board.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Actually, Hasek had a lot of rough spots in front of a defense that was playing 10X beter than our guys are playing this year. And you're not even disputing my point really. I agree, they're completely different circumstances. You had 2 Cup winners last year capable of starting. This year you have the defending Cup winner and a guy with 5 minutes of playoff experience. And if Ty Conklin's such a great goalie, why is his W-L record basically the same as Osgood's? And why has he posted nearly identical numbers as Osgood if you look at January and February since Osgood's come back from injury?

Since january:

Conks, Ozzie

Games: 9, 11

GA: 20, 35

GAA: 2.1, 3.2

Shut outs: 3, 0

3+ GA Games: 5, 8

Point out the similarities.

[Wingsallwin 0]

All three games vs. the Avs have been "phone it in". This team has no desire to "bring it" vs. a bottom feeding team, and most players don't remember any rivalry because they weren't around.

Sad for me to see because I live in Denver and I'd love for them to play with intensity and blow them out - but likely not going to happen this season.

I hate to say it but the Wings did not deserve to win today, poor goaltending or no, we sleptwalk our way to 5 goals, but got to hand it to an Avs team full of journeymen - they didn't give up and deserved to win in the end.

Hopefully the Wings will be embarrassed by this and actually show up next game.

I think we deserved a win. No matter how sucks Avs is right now but our defenses were not huge problems. During the 2nd period and 3rd period, we held pretty much whole puck possession but Osgood stole no goal. Except for deflection, no excuse for other goals.

People sometimes compare this year's Turco and now's Osgood. Look at the stats. Turco will pass .900 sv percentage soon and his GAA is already under 3.00. Osgood seems he even cannot control the puck going behind the net and letting all unacceptable rebounds which converted to goals.

I meant, if you watch the Devils game, they can win with scoring only one or two. But what about us? Especially when Osgood is in the net, can you think many times that we won when we scored only few goals and allowed only 1 or 2 when Osgood is in the net? Not really.

[Wingsallwin 0]

And I agree Conklin is overrated and myself is overrating Conklin too right now. But if you watched the most of our games, defenses play better when Conklin is in the net. Besides, Conklin stole some big goals from opponents. That is the difference.

If neither goalie is an answer and we will not make any movement on goalie through the TD, we have to choose one goalie to give more confidence.

But because Osgood has a loyalty on this team and has more experience, it does not mean he should be the first favor. I saw a lot of example that in the other sports, how veterans fail in the playoff when they have rough years. No different in Osgood. If he keeps playing like the worst goalie in the league, we should give Conklin to start.

Important fact is that Playoff is on April and not much time is left. Personally, I hope Conks will start most of games left for us. I just have no faith on Osgood this season.

I meant, in this forum, is there any person that feel comfortable when GDT shows Osgood is the starter? If not, that is pretty much done.

[Vladifan 680]

Wow, nobody here can take a joke or a little sarcasm.

No, "sir". You went way over the line and you were out of control when you wrote that. You don't wish stuff like that on anyone, not even in jest.

The scariest part of all this is I think YOU think it's still funny.

...jeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzusss...............

[Yak19 303]

Since january:

Conks, Ozzie

Games: 9, 11

GA: 20, 35

GAA: 2.1, 3.2

Shut outs: 3, 0

3+ GA Games: 5, 8

Point out the similarities.

haha, OWNT!