Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Hahaha. God, people say Downey is a waste of a roster spot, but does more in 5 minutes then Kopecky does in 2 or 3 games. Hossa showed he isnt afraid, the rest of the team needs to become accountable. This isnt the playoffs, this is the regular season. Send a message that you arent gonna get pushed around, Downey, Drake, McCarty and a healthy dose of Chelios brought that last year, this year it's been Kopecky... and it's showed for the most part. But I'm not getting into a big fight over this, just funny how Downey is a waste and Kopecky isnt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Yeeah, I guess you told her/him. I don't believe you have to elaborate jack. I think this poster's whole point was that they would appreciate it if this site was more like that. A discussion forum...where people aren't fighting or putting down other posters over something this Wings team does not do. They hardly ever fight, period. They're a puck possession team and they do pretty well at it. The irony is I'm guessing this poster would agree with you about Hossa. But Suter deliberately ran him and Hossa reacted. You explained it much better than I did. Thank you. And you're right, I do agree with what he said about Hossa. He SHOULDN'T be the one out there throwing punches - but I'm not upset that he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Why, it's like you climbed inside my head and stole my thoughts. Lock the door on your way out. I cleaned up a bit too, while I was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Suter confirms the obvious. "I wasn't looking to fight him,'' Suter said. "He just kind of ran into me. I didn't even know we were fighting and the gloves were off. It was just a heat of the battle thing.'' Which of course corroborates with Hossa's take... "There was a couple slashes, a couple pushing and shovings (on an earlier shift). All of a sudden we found each other and just dropped the gloves. It just happened. We had a little fight." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Suter confirms the obvious. Just on a side note: I have to say how happy I am that we don't have issues where our players WANT to be traded. That would just be disappointing, as a Preds fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Zoop, that was not the article I intended to link. Well, I can't find it but the Suter quote is from Snapshots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutoutking 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Just on a side note: I have to say how happy I am that we don't have issues where our players WANT to be traded. That would just be disappointing, as a Preds fan. OK, two things here. 1. Suter said what basically what I was trying to tell you. He didn't want to go and he definitely wasn't ready. He was just shoving and Hossa dropped 'em. He may not have pummeled Marian, but he sure would've won. 2. To Ms_Hockey, I'll say that Koistenen may be the least popular player in team history. There's a reason his nickname is Epic Fail. He sucks. I'd trade him for the last pick in the draft. This is the consensus in the hockey community here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Trevor Thompson's take on the Hossa "fight": "Watching Marian Hossa fight during the dying minutes of Wednesday night's game against Nashville almost made me sick to my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not one of these hypocrites who wants to take fighting out of the game, yet stands and cheers the moment the gloves are dropped. I love a good tussle, plain and simple. I'm just saying this guy, Marian Hossa, shouldn't be fighting for the Wings - ever. His hands have more value than that...way more! Hossa isn't the only one either. Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Lidstrom - don't fight, don't fight, don't fight - please, please, please! What happens to the teams if one of those elite stars dislocates a shoulder, busts a hand, or cracks their skull on the ice while "sticking up for himself"? It's not something anyone wants to deal with. After their initial chuckles about Hossa's fight, the first thing every player in that dressing room said was, "I was just hoping he didn't get hurt." Hey , no one wants to see anyone get hurt. But the fact of the matter is goal scorers are paid to score goals and fighters are paid to fight so that goal scorers can score goals. Get my drift? If a fighter gets hurt he understands it's part of the job description. The tough guy is there to police the game and make sure no one takes liberties with the high-priced talent. But there is no such presence in the Red Wings lineup these days. That forced Hossa in to a position he should never have been in in the first place. Each of us, at some point in time, has to fight our battles. Heck, even Wayne Gretzky threw down a couple times in his career. And there's little doubt the fans of Detroit will love Hossa even more for fighting in his situation. However, frontier justice has always been the law of the land in the NHL. The highly skilled types of players have always had some form of "protection" built in to the lineup for them so they can get their space on the ice to do their thing without fear of being bullied or baited all night long. The Wings need to build that kind of protection in to their lineup too or more situations like Hossa's are bound to occur, and next time it might not be so funny." Exactly. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Disagree. Hossa is not going to fight any more often than he has before in his career. He said it himself, even Gretzky threw down now and again, it just happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Disagree. Hossa is not going to fight any more often than he has before in his career. He said it himself, even Gretzky threw down now and again, it just happens. Way to miss the point entirely. I even bolded it! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 "The Wings need to build that kind of protection in to their lineup too or more situations like Hossa's are bound to occur, and next time it might not be so funny." This is what I was talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 2. To Ms_Hockey, I'll say that Koistenen may be the least popular player in team history. There's a reason his nickname is Epic Fail. He sucks. I'd trade him for the last pick in the draft. This is the consensus in the hockey community here. I didn't mean it as any disrespect to your team. I was just saying that I'm glad we don't have that. But I'm glad the feeling is mutual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Trevor Thompson's take on the Hossa "fight": "Watching Marian Hossa fight during the dying minutes of Wednesday night's game against Nashville almost made me sick to my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not one of these hypocrites who wants to take fighting out of the game, yet stands and cheers the moment the gloves are dropped. I love a good tussle, plain and simple. I'm just saying this guy, Marian Hossa, shouldn't be fighting for the Wings - ever. His hands have more value than that...way more! Hossa isn't the only one either. Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Lidstrom - don't fight, don't fight, don't fight - please, please, please! What happens to the teams if one of those elite stars dislocates a shoulder, busts a hand, or cracks their skull on the ice while "sticking up for himself"? It's not something anyone wants to deal with. After their initial chuckles about Hossa's fight, the first thing every player in that dressing room said was, "I was just hoping he didn't get hurt." Hey , no one wants to see anyone get hurt. But the fact of the matter is goal scorers are paid to score goals and fighters are paid to fight so that goal scorers can score goals. Get my drift? If a fighter gets hurt he understands it's part of the job description. The tough guy is there to police the game and make sure no one takes liberties with the high-priced talent. But there is no such presence in the Red Wings lineup these days. That forced Hossa in to a position he should never have been in in the first place. Each of us, at some point in time, has to fight our battles. Heck, even Wayne Gretzky threw down a couple times in his career. And there's little doubt the fans of Detroit will love Hossa even more for fighting in his situation. However, frontier justice has always been the law of the land in the NHL. The highly skilled types of players have always had some form of "protection" built in to the lineup for them so they can get their space on the ice to do their thing without fear of being bullied or baited all night long. The Wings need to build that kind of protection in to their lineup too or more situations like Hossa's are bound to occur, and next time it might not be so funny." Exactly. esteef Some folks will just never get it esteef. I for one don't care if the Wings EVER have another player like Joe Kocur or Bob Probert. It won't matter to me one bit. But my GOD, what a difference it would make to have somebody like BJ Crombeen on the 3rd/4th line crashing, banging, chipping in points and occasionally fighting versus having the waste of space that is Tomas Kopecky. Seriously, can anybody on this goddamned board give me one good reason why we can't ice a player who fights over Kopecky? What does Kopecky bring to the table? He's big? Yes, but he doesn't hit big. He doesn't fight anymore than Hossa does. He makes it on the scoresheet about as much as Jim Cummins used to (MAYBE EVEN LESS!). He spends most of the time falling down after making contact with somebody, even on the hits he initiates. There is no GOOD reason to keep Kopecky in the lineup. He doesn't add anything to the team that the team is really lacking except for the pure quantity of players that stand over 6 foot 2. Oooohh, golly gee, what a contribution! Take Aaron Downey. He hits better than Kopecky. He's tougher than Kopecky. He brings more energy than Kopecky. I will take Downey's 1 or 2 points, body checks and fighting majors over Kopecky's 10 points all day, every day, 365 days a year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 You're more making an argument against Kopecky than for an enforcer. I don't think anyone outside of eva would deny that Kopecky is worthless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedSea 31 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 The Wings send Kopecky and a 2nd round pick to Ottawa for Neil. Then Hossa will only drop the gloves against other superstars (Hossa vs. Crosby would be classic). Please make it happen Kenny. Not that Kopy really has much trade value, they would just have to clear up a roster spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I will take Downey's 1 or 2 points, body checks and fighting majors over Kopecky's 10 points all day, every day, 365 days a year! Only two people disagree with you. Eva Font Stats and Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Trevor Thompson's take on the Hossa "fight": "Watching Marian Hossa fight during the dying minutes of Wednesday night's game against Nashville almost made me sick to my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not one of these hypocrites who wants to take fighting out of the game, yet stands and cheers the moment the gloves are dropped. I love a good tussle, plain and simple. I'm just saying this guy, Marian Hossa, shouldn't be fighting for the Wings - ever. His hands have more value than that...way more! Hossa isn't the only one either. Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Lidstrom - don't fight, don't fight, don't fight - please, please, please! What happens to the teams if one of those elite stars dislocates a shoulder, busts a hand, or cracks their skull on the ice while "sticking up for himself"? It's not something anyone wants to deal with. After their initial chuckles about Hossa's fight, the first thing every player in that dressing room said was, "I was just hoping he didn't get hurt." Hey , no one wants to see anyone get hurt. But the fact of the matter is goal scorers are paid to score goals and fighters are paid to fight so that goal scorers can score goals. Get my drift? If a fighter gets hurt he understands it's part of the job description. The tough guy is there to police the game and make sure no one takes liberties with the high-priced talent. But there is no such presence in the Red Wings lineup these days. That forced Hossa in to a position he should never have been in in the first place. Each of us, at some point in time, has to fight our battles. Heck, even Wayne Gretzky threw down a couple times in his career. And there's little doubt the fans of Detroit will love Hossa even more for fighting in his situation. However, frontier justice has always been the law of the land in the NHL. The highly skilled types of players have always had some form of "protection" built in to the lineup for them so they can get their space on the ice to do their thing without fear of being bullied or baited all night long. The Wings need to build that kind of protection in to their lineup too or more situations like Hossa's are bound to occur, and next time it might not be so funny." Exactly. esteef Good find Esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Trevor Thompson's take on the Hossa "fight": "Watching Marian Hossa fight during the dying minutes of Wednesday night's game against Nashville almost made me sick to my stomach. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not one of these hypocrites who wants to take fighting out of the game, yet stands and cheers the moment the gloves are dropped. I love a good tussle, plain and simple. I'm just saying this guy, Marian Hossa, shouldn't be fighting for the Wings - ever. His hands have more value than that...way more! Hossa isn't the only one either. Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Lidstrom - don't fight, don't fight, don't fight - please, please, please! What happens to the teams if one of those elite stars dislocates a shoulder, busts a hand, or cracks their skull on the ice while "sticking up for himself"? It's not something anyone wants to deal with. After their initial chuckles about Hossa's fight, the first thing every player in that dressing room said was, "I was just hoping he didn't get hurt." Hey , no one wants to see anyone get hurt. But the fact of the matter is goal scorers are paid to score goals and fighters are paid to fight so that goal scorers can score goals. Get my drift? If a fighter gets hurt he understands it's part of the job description. The tough guy is there to police the game and make sure no one takes liberties with the high-priced talent. But there is no such presence in the Red Wings lineup these days. That forced Hossa in to a position he should never have been in in the first place. Each of us, at some point in time, has to fight our battles. Heck, even Wayne Gretzky threw down a couple times in his career. And there's little doubt the fans of Detroit will love Hossa even more for fighting in his situation. However, frontier justice has always been the law of the land in the NHL. The highly skilled types of players have always had some form of "protection" built in to the lineup for them so they can get their space on the ice to do their thing without fear of being bullied or baited all night long. The Wings need to build that kind of protection in to their lineup too or more situations like Hossa's are bound to occur, and next time it might not be so funny." Exactly. esteef Every game it is the same thing: Just wait till it happens again he may get injured! Just wait till next game, it won't be so funny! Just wait until next game, they are going to push us around! We get it already. Without an enforcer the Wings are too soft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 26, 2009 You’re right though, there’s no way I can prove what I see because there is no hard evidence; but what do I know, there are people like you on these boards that live many miles away and know more about the demographic I live around than I do. I just wanted to respond to this part, you posted it at about the same time I got suspended and couldn't reply: I am not trying to pretend to know more about the people of Detroit than you, I just find it very hard to believe that fighting is the only reason there are empty seats in the Joe. That was all that my point was, not that I know more about Detroit than you or its people. What I do know is that Detroit is one of, if not the, hardest hit cities in the USA by this recession, I find it hard to believe that if the Wings were fighting 20-30 times a season that the Joe would now be sold out all season. Not trying to restart the argument just wanted to explain myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tini Report post Posted February 26, 2009 Hossa may not be the best fighter but at least he faught. Its been a while since theres been a fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
