Hossa Fight! :) Video

[esteef 2,679]

I will also contend that Downey would be a top 12 forward on most of those teams that have multiple enforcers, they don't have 3 top 20 forwards in the league, they don't have the best player in the world on their team (#5) they also don't have cap issues, they also don't have 3 times as many wins as losses.

This team is littered with high level talent, people here ***** about Sammy, Lilja, and Lebda well there are about 20 teams in the league that would love the Wings left overs.

That is what is so annoying about this whole situation. The Wings are in a perfect position to have a guy like that on the 4th line BECAUSE they are so deep in offensive talent. But there are still people who ***** about "giving up a roster spot" to such a player. What are we losing? I mean we have to let guys like Quincey walk and keep Helm and Leino in the minors because we have too many good players but we can't spare one f***in' roster spot for a scrapper? Bulls***.

esteef

[shutoutking 0]

I'm not post whoring here but I wanted to respond to Vladifan and say that I neglected to mention I only saw the youtube clip of the fight, not the context and preceding stuff, I had turned the game off right beforehand.

In my mind I just can't imagine Suter, our most respected player, deliberately seeking out Hossa. Just like you wouldn't be able to imagine a Lidstrom or Datsyuk (for argument's sake) going after someone for s&g's. I don't know the answer, at any rate.

[Vladifan 680]

FYI...

I'm going to resign from this board for a month at least, maybe more. I'll leave it simply at that.

Take care all, and Go Wings!

Don't know if it's worth anything but you do have a great and biting sense of humor (and you're obviously very knowledgeable). When you come back - and I hope you do - I hope you go more with that. Methinks you'll find you get more positive responses if you do.

Peace out.

:beerbuddy:

[Vladifan 680]

I'm not post whoring here but I wanted to respond to Vladifan and say that I neglected to mention I only saw the youtube clip of the fight, not the context and preceding stuff, I had turned the game off right beforehand.

In my mind I just can't imagine Suter, our most respected player, deliberately seeking out Hossa. Just like you wouldn't be able to imagine a Lidstrom or Datsyuk (for argument's sake) going after someone for s&g's. I don't know the answer, at any rate.

SOK - I saw the whole thing and replayed it two or three times. I had to record it because I wasn't home for the live feed. I can only tell you what I thought I saw and how I personally reacted.

Peace out to you too.

[Opie 308]

That is what is so annoying about this whole situation. The Wings are in a perfect position to have a guy like that on the 4th line BECAUSE they are so deep in offensive talent. But there are still people who ***** about "giving up a roster spot" to such a player. What are we losing? I mean we have to let guys like Quincey walk and keep Helm and Leino in the minors because we have too many good players but we can't spare one f***in' roster spot for a scrapper? Bulls***.

esteef

I never said they should or shouldn't give up the roster spot, that is an org decision, and based on their success rate I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Call me a homer fine, but if the Wings were fighting for an 8 seed right now I would be bitching about how the team is run. I never said you should have that opinion.

But seriously esteef where does Quincey fit into the equation, would he dress this year, I think he would have been Meech in sometimes out most times.

Helm and Leino yeah they would be good to add, if they could, the wings because they valued Marian Hossa over the players in the system is what has the wings in this horrible predicament.

The team since Bowman has been about rolling 4 lines, and it has been super effective in the past 15 or so years.

Sure the Wings could spare the roster spot, they choose not to, if that embarrasses you I am sorry you need to worry about other things rather than how the image of your team reflects upon you!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

IF McLeod were available sure as hell I would take him, there are guys out there yes, but how may of them have the control Downey displayed last year, and how many of them are available.

The reason I gained so much respect for Downey was not how he fought, but when he fought. He displayed tremendous control, he picked his spots and did it very very well.

I am not saying I wouldn't take any of the guys you mentioned, I just want a W, I could give two s***s if they bang all night of if the tip toe through the tulips humming Tiny Tim in the ears of the other team, as long as they get a W.

IF it is embarrassing to you (Not GS&T this is a broader question) to be a fan of the Wings in its current state, how embarrassing is it to lose to this team, not very you know why, they are perennially one of the best teams in the league! Complaining about one facet of the game, whilst the team is the best team in the league over a 15 year span, would make me a spoiled fan. Ask the Preds fan that just posted, would he rather have a team like the Wings the past 4 years or like the Preds of the last 4 years. If the Preds could swap rosters with the Wings today would he do it?

Opie,

I'm not sure if you're just stating a preference or if you are insinuating that you think the team might not be as successful with a player like McCleod on it.

I think it goes without saying we all want wins. Even if it means we have to get punched in the mush. We all want wins.

I'm just of the opinion that the Wings are pretty much the most talented group in the NHL. And to single out one player in particular that I feel is a weak link (Tomas Kopecky), I think getting rid of him for a player like BJ Crombeen would only make us better. I think there are many players with the same size, skating and puck handling skills as Kopecky but are better hitters, better fighters and statistically speaking, make more of an impact both on the scoreboard and off it.

We can have a fighter on the team and still maintain our winning percentage. In all seriousness, nobody would miss Tomas Kopecky. Especially if a guy like McCleod or Crombeen was contributing and fighting like they are for their current teams.

We can have victories and a 4th line scrapper too.

[seeinred 1,488]

Sure, I get your point, but you may be selling short that some of these guys have a heart, especially Suter. I'll grant you that if it was Tootoo or Klein they would've hit him till his face fell off, lol...anyway, we can agree to disagree so I don't start to get a troll rep.

You're nowhere near a troll rep. We're both just stating our opinions here. I know I'd take the opportunity to pound a superstar's face in, especially if he dropped 'em first like Hossa did. But that could just be me.

I'm not post whoring here but I wanted to respond to Vladifan and say that I neglected to mention I only saw the youtube clip of the fight, not the context and preceding stuff, I had turned the game off right beforehand.

In my mind I just can't imagine Suter, our most respected player, deliberately seeking out Hossa. Just like you wouldn't be able to imagine a Lidstrom or Datsyuk (for argument's sake) going after someone for s&g's. I don't know the answer, at any rate.

If anyone sought anyone out, Hossa sought Suter out. They really just came together more than anything though.

[CopenhagenWing 38]

This is incorrect, IT IS CENSORED, but just to those that are not on the hit list of cencorship. I've been banned and never once will you see me swear on this board. Ever. However, I notice a strong correlation between being a donor and not being banned. Just my two cents.

That comment just goes to show that you have absolutely no idea how the forums are run.

[esteef 2,679]

I never said they should or shouldn't give up the roster spot, that is an org decision, and based on their success rate I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Call me a homer fine, but if the Wings were fighting for an 8 seed right now I would be bitching about how the team is run. I never said you should have that opinion.

But seriously esteef where does Quincey fit into the equation, would he dress this year, I think he would have been Meech in sometimes out most times.

Helm and Leino yeah they would be good to add, if they could, the wings because they valued Marian Hossa over the players in the system is what has the wings in this horrible predicament.

The team since Bowman has been about rolling 4 lines, and it has been super effective in the past 15 or so years.

Sure the Wings could spare the roster spot, they choose not to, if that embarrasses you I am sorry you need to worry about other things rather than how the image of your team reflects upon you!

See again, you lose me with your last sentence. It doesn't "embarrass" me, it pisses me off that such a glaring need is unaddressed when we have the means to address it but don't. I understand the cap implications as to why certain players are where they are, the point is, our minor league team could probably beat half the league let alone our big club, so why do people freak out (not you specifically) when 1 roster spot is taken by a lesser offensive guy that can fight? Kopecky's not scoring is he?

Overall the Wings have been successful yes, but they also have been painfully bounced from the playoffs numerous times because of what a lot of fans consider "softer" rosters. So when we see things happen like last night that bring up that glaring weakness, people point it out here. That's all.

esteef

[Opie 308]

No GS&T I was actually cool with McLoed as long as the team wins I am cool with whomever, McLeod could join the team and they could turn into the machine (Both sides of the ice) they were last year, I don't know that.

I don't care if the fourth line is all scrappers, as long as the team keeps winning like this, count me in as a happy Red Wings fan.

Now like I said if this team as is, had turned into the Pens, great last year, hoping to make the post season this year, I would be bulls***!!

However they are 3rd in the league, I really can't complain about that.

I honestly don't think adding McLeod would change things much, as far as W's and L's. I don't think he is going to make great timely saves nor be the top PKer, areas the team needs help. However he could re-energize a locker room. But I have a feeling if Hossa didn't re-energize the locker room not too many players will.

My point in the other post was supposed to be sure I'll take anyone as long as they keep winning.

[Opie 308]

See again, you lose me with your last sentence. It doesn't "embarrass" me, it pisses me off that such a glaring need is unaddressed when we have the means to address it but don't. I understand the cap implications as to why certain players are where they are, the point is, our minor league team could probably beat half the league let alone our big club, so why do people freak out (not you specifically) when 1 roster spot is taken by a lesser offensive guy that can fight? Kopecky's not scoring is he?

Overall the Wings have been successful yes, but they also have been painfully bounced from the playoffs numerous times because of what a lot of fans consider "softer" rosters. So when we see things happen like last night that bring up that glaring weakness, people point it out here. That's all.

esteef

Then as I stated in another post, I was not referring to you, it pisses you off, fine, this is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. We have differing opinions, but you can articulate yours to the point where I feel like you are still happy with this team but would want to see a fighter, same with GS&T I am cool with that always have been. The only time I have discussed this with you guys was to defend my opinion.

My statements in this thread have been mainly geared towards the posters saying this team was embarrassing to root for.

If weren't saying that then the first of my posts you replied to wasn't aimed at you and I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Kopecky and Maltby I could both do with out, but the Wings have their reasons for keeping them, I expressed my issues with Maltby in a preseason thread, therefore I don't feel the need to make a thread every other day about it or bring it up in almost every thread.

Hey replace whomever you want with whomever you want, but my opinion will probably differ.

Replace Kopecky with whomever you think fits in the cap and wont cost the Wings a ton in return. Well, actually, neither you nor I are in a position to even know what they have talked about in terms of trading for who. Maybe they offered something for Neil but it wasn't enough, who knows, certainly not a bunch of hockey nuts(me included) on a Wings discussion board!

[Opie 308]

OOPs looks like we will have to take this up another time I just got suspended.

Knew it was coming!!

Peace OUT Cub Scout!

[TheOwl 77]

It'd be good to see Franzen become that legit power forward, but tonight he showed his willingness (or lack thereof) to drop the gloves.

He just got back from injury, and may not be 100%, I think were all glad he didn't fight tonight. But Hossa is a GOD! He put Crosby and Semin to shame.

[Yak19 303]

He just got back from injury, and may not be 100%, I think were all glad he didn't fight tonight. But Hossa is a GOD! He put Crosby and Semin to shame.

When it comes to fighting, my little 10 year old cousin knows how to throw a better punch then Crosby and Semin.

[esteef 2,679]

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Look into those eyes. Do you see the animal inside? You can only push a man so far before he pushes back.

Edited February 19, 2009 by Heroes of Hockeytown

[Wingaling 0]

Hossa, Hossa, Hossa oh man I freakin love this guy, this is the night I think says this crazy cat is stayin with the wing wheel boy. Not only does he have a scrap he picks up the puck for Jiri's 20th, his heart is in it and thats a great sign and did I mention this guy is awesome! Lets go Kenny H.

[Vladifan 680]

I gotta say I love the look in his eyes. Who the hell am I kidding? I love him!

He just has to be one of "us". Besides, he looks great in red.

[mjlegend 155]

I wish Hoss would have beaten the crap out of Ryan's uncle Gary Suter. That guy was a total cheap-shot artist.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

Not sure if you can prove this theory, in order to do so you would have to take this years Wings and turn them into the Ducks by next season and see if it changes the results, I will tell you this much a fight in any sport will get people out of their seats, we pretend to be a peaceful nation but we love our violence as much as the next. Hell Pre-season baseball fights get people out of their seats and most of the time during those games everyone is asleep!

But I have a hard time buying that the Joe would be sold out on all nights in this market where the auto industry is laying off more people than the banks are getting one dollar bills from the gov't. Your theory is a thinly veiled attempt at making a point no one can argue with because it is both indisputable and unprovable at the same time!

Thanks for manipulating my post Opie. I guess where I said "more physical" I really meant fights every 5 minutes, as well as when I said "more seats would be filled" truly means 100% sell outs in the regular season. You’re better than that sir.

There are common misconceptions about the D, not everyone in the area works for the Automotive industry, you won't get shot as soon as you step foot in the city, and not everyone loves the sport as much as the folks who post on lgw.com. That said; there's an entertainment value in going to see the Wings. I consider myself a top percentile fan and put my money where my mouth is. If you watch tomorrow, I have seats second row right next to the Anaheim bench. Will be sitting with three other guys and probably have a beer in my hand. Will be the 5th time this year I’ve had these particular seats. I'm willing to pay to go and have those seats because I love the game for what it is and the team the way they are, and will continue to because my love for Hossa multiplies as the day grows long. Simple economics, I just don’t like seeing the team get bullied around.

There are a percentage of people in Detroit that would be considered more fair weather hockey fans as well and go for the entertainment value of the game. If the game is not entertaining to them (for whatever reason, physical or not), they're not going to drop the extra coin to attend, hence many empty seats. I don't know why that's hard for people to comprehend sometimes, but many Detroiter's (not all) are blue collar and like that type of hard hitting, hard fought, blood, sweat, and tears side of the game. You’re right though, there’s no way I can prove what I see because there is no hard evidence; but what do I know, there are people like you on these boards that live many miles away and know more about the demographic I live around than I do.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

GET IT DONE, KENNY.

[sureWhyNot 19]

Hey I was thinking about last nights fight, and I got to thinking about team FM this year in general. We are last in the NHL by quite a bit in regards too team FM, but what about other leagues? I an not talking other North American leagues, I am referring to international leagues and their FM's per team

Anyways, what I found kind of surprised me -- I looked at the KHL, SEL, FEL and CZEL, and then from there took the top couple of teams and their FM's. This really is nothing more then fun, I am not claiming or trying to prove anything, just fun. If anything I guess this shows that fighting, at least in some capacity, is in fact a part of the game no matter what country you are playing in.

The Detroit Red Wings: 8 FM

KHL (Kontinental Hockey League):

Vityaz Chekhov: 28 FM

Dinamo Riga: 15 FM

Metallurg Magnitogorsk: 14 FM

MVD Balashikha: 13 FM

Traktor Chelyabinsk: 12 FM

Spartak: 9 FM

Barys: 9 FM

FEL (Finnish Elite League):

Espoo Blues: 15 FM

Pelicans Lahti: 10 FM

HIFK Helsinki: 9 FM

HPK Hameenlinna: 8 FM

Lukko Rauma: 8 FM

SEL (Swedish Elite League):

HV71: 4 FM

4Brynas: 4 FM

Skellefteå AIK: 3 FM

Frölunda HC: 3 FM

CZEL (Czech Extraliga League):

Liberec: 9 FM

Sparta: 8 FM

Zlin: 7 FM

Mlada Bloeslav: 6 FM

Was surprised to see the numbers as high as they were in the FEL, as well as the KHL. Anyways, at the least this is informative regarding the myth that euro's are "soft", which doesn't seem to be the case.

Oh ya, one more thing. I know someone will probably say that the majority of these fights (specifically) in the KHL are from former NHLers. While this is true, it's also true that a large portion of these fights are between players of no NHL past whatsoever.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

I truly don't understand all the fighting in this thread. As everyone here knows, there are two ways to play hockey: Physical & finesse. The Wings just happen to be a finesse team. Where's the issue with that?

Of course, we'd love to see more fights. And if the team switched over to a physical style of play, I'd be just as much of a fan as I am now. But as of now, we're NOT a physical team. Fighting about whether we should be on an internet forum isn't going to change that.

The Wings get the job done, whether it's on muscle or skill. So why are we acting like this?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Hey I was thinking about last nights fight, and I got to thinking about team FM this year in general. We are last in the NHL by quite a bit in regards too team FM, but what about other leagues? I an not talking other North American leagues, I am referring to international leagues and their FM's per team

Anyways, what I found kind of surprised me -- I looked at the KHL, SEL, FEL and CZEL, and then from there took the top couple of teams and their FM's. This really is nothing more then fun, I am not claiming or trying to prove anything, just fun. If anything I guess this shows that fighting, at least in some capacity, is in fact a part of the game no matter what country you are playing in.

The Detroit Red Wings: 8 FM

KHL (Kontinental Hockey League):

Vityaz Chekhov: 28 FM

Dinamo Riga: 15 FM

Metallurg Magnitogorsk: 14 FM

MVD Balashikha: 13 FM

Traktor Chelyabinsk: 12 FM

Spartak: 9 FM

Barys: 9 FM

FEL (Finnish Elite League):

Espoo Blues: 15 FM

Pelicans Lahti: 10 FM

HIFK Helsinki: 9 FM

HPK Hameenlinna: 8 FM

Lukko Rauma: 8 FM

SEL (Swedish Elite League):

HV71: 4 FM

4Brynas: 4 FM

Skellefteå AIK: 3 FM

Frölunda HC: 3 FM

CZEL (Czech Extraliga League):

Liberec: 9 FM

Sparta: 8 FM

Zlin: 7 FM

Mlada Bloeslav: 6 FM

Was surprised to see the numbers as high as they were in the FEL, as well as the KHL. Anyways, at the least this is informative regarding the myth that euro's are "soft", which doesn't seem to be the case.

Oh ya, one more thing. I know someone will probably say that the majority of these fights (specifically) in the KHL are from former NHLers. While this is true, it's also true that a large portion of these fights are between players of no NHL past whatsoever.

Wow, I guess we're the wussiest team in any league now.

This makes things look even more embarassing.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Wow, I guess we're the wussiest team in any league now.

This makes things look even more embarassing.

Yea, especially since we're 2nd in the West. What a shame.