Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Trade Filppula,Lebda and a prospect or pick to Florida for Bouwmeester. Bouwmeester's contract expires at the end of the season and we have the cap space to sign Hudler. What do you guys think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I think the panthers are going to hang onto Bouw in light of their resurgence into the playoff race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Trade Filppula,Lebda and a prospect or pick to Florida for Bouwmeester. Bouwmeester's contract expires at the end of the season and we have the cap space to sign Hudler. What do you guys think? HELL YEAH, if I'm Florida. But as far as Detroit, HELL NO. It's giving up way too much for a guy that will only be here for the rest of the year. Edited February 19, 2009 by Blueliner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Well I wouldn't mind exchanging Filppula for Hudler in that trade =/ though that would make the trade even more impossible... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Other decent D-men with expiring contracts Derek Morris Filip Kuba Niclas Havelid Greg De Vries Jaraslav Spacek Hal Gill Edited February 19, 2009 by Johnny Diamonds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 sorry but i dont really see the wings making a move at the deadline. they are already up against the cap and they dont want to lose any of their team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Holland's not moving Filppula. The only way Hudler can stay is if we let Franzen (or Hossa) walk. I'd like to give Holland more credit than that - I would certainly hope if he has the opportunity to keep a better player he would consider moving Filppula (after the season). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 This won't likely happen, but what if they decide to part with Meech or Lebda or both to start the year? You don't have any reserve defensemen in case of injury. Is there such a thing as a 10-day contract in the NHL? In case they need Chelios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Whatever Holland does, he's going to do what's best for the team and the future. I've watched and read a few articles/interviews. Holland said that he is going to sign either Franzen or Hossa before deadline (which ever gives the best offer). Hudler was never mentioned. This leads me to believe that Holland isn't too concerned about Hudler's future with this team. Hudler's limited ice time is also telling. But who knows for sure... Or it could have something to do with Hudler's RFA status? Just maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 HELL YEAH, if I'm Florida. But as far as Detroit, HELL NO. It's giving up way too much for a guy that will only be here for the rest of the year. I think that was the OP's point. Obviously he wants Filppula moved in order to create cap space for Hudler to re-sign next year. Lebda isn't much of an asset to the Wings other than the fact that he has some playoff/finals experience under his belt and depending on what pick/prospect you're referring to this deal isn't that "crazy". It's actually quite interesting because you bolster the blueline for the remainder of the season, which has been somewhat suspect for the first time in years, you get Filppula's contract off the books which many people around here want to see (not saying I'm necessarily one of them either way), and Lebda is used as more bait in the trade. Interesting idea. To the OP: What did you have in mind for the prospect/pick that would go with Flip and Lebda. Sidenote: I don't think Florida will move Bouw, nor do I think the Wings will move Filppula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 That's why Hudler get's limited ice time (and) why nobody from the organization has ever so much as whispers Hudler's name about his future with this team? Just maybe... Perhaps you can explain to me why Filppula went all the way to arbitration last year, if he is so important to the team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 That's why Hudler get's limited ice time (and) why nobody from the organization has ever so much as whispers Hudler's name about his future with this team? Just maybe... While I'm not convinced the Wings brass would do something like this, perhaps they are keeping Hudler's ice time limited in hopes that he achieves lighter numbers, thus attempting to keep his new salary within what the Wings will be able to afford next year. They sure like to "let" players develop in the minors as long as they can before they bring them up. That's good for a major reason other than hockey maturity.....it makes them cheaper than what they would be if they were brought up a few years earlier. Basically, it helps Kenny keep their wages in check early on in their career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 You want me to explain to you why *unimportant* players' proceed to arbitration during the Salary CAP era - Perhaps advised by their agent [bill Zito]? Because it is one of the few bargaining options available to them. Wrong. the correct answer is: Because he was an RFA. You have a lot more flexibility and options when signing RFAs. In a situation where you have a handful of UFAs and one RFA to deal with (as Holland does), you get handle on the UFAs first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 You want me to explain to you why *unimportant* players' proceed to arbitration during the Salary CAP era - Perhaps advised by their agent [bill Zito]? Because it is one of the few bargaining options available to them. Filppula likely opted for arbitration last year to keep other teams from throwing offer sheets at him. This was likely Kenny's doing/idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I think that was the OP's point. Obviously he wants Filppula moved in order to create cap space for Hudler to re-sign next year. Lebda isn't much of an asset to the Wings other than the fact that he has some playoff/finals experience under his belt and depending on what pick/prospect you're referring to this deal isn't that "crazy". It's actually quite interesting because you bolster the blueline for the remainder of the season, which has been somewhat suspect for the first time in years, you get Filppula's contract off the books which many people around here want to see (not saying I'm necessarily one of them either way), and Lebda is used as more bait in the trade. Interesting idea. To the OP: What did you have in mind for the prospect/pick that would go with Flip and Lebda. Sidenote: I don't think Florida will move Bouw, nor do I think the Wings will move Filppula. If they want to make cap room, they'll trade him after the season. Besides, giving up a good forward with four years left on his deal, a speedy defenseman, and who knows what prospect/draft pick is way too much for one guy at the trade deadline. Hell, Fedorov went to Washington for a freshman defenseman at Notre Dame last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 If they want to make cap room, they'll trade him after the season. Besides, giving up a good forward with four years left on his deal, a speedy defenseman, and who knows what prospect/draft pick is way too much for one guy at the trade deadline. Hell, Fedorov went to Washington for a freshman defenseman at Notre Dame last year. It's not just about moving the players, its about bolstering your team for the current run. Bouw would do that and the players in return solve the issue of re-signing Hudler. I'm not saying it should happen, just that's its a realistic idea as opposed to a bunch of others that have been posted before. Also, comparing Fedorov to Bouw is apples to oranges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Schneider already went for a 2nd and 3rd -- there is your first metric for D this year. Factor in that Montreal probably paid a bit of a premium to get Atlanta to sign on it early. I understand your point. But I just don't foresee [from the limited information that I've read] that Holland would consider moving Filppula (to keep Huder). Holland holds his cards close to the chest - last year he stated he was probably not going to do anything, and he ended up getting Stuart and trying for Hossa (as well as Fedorov). So it's tough to put much stock in his comments. If you are planning on trading a layer, the last thing you are going to do is rip him apart to the press, as well. He is reluctant to trade away recently signed players, especially when they signed for a discount - though I am not sure that is true in Filppula's case - but to assume he is not even considering trading Filppula if it means he can keep any combination of Hossa/Franzen/Hudler is probably a mistake. Edited February 19, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidMichSteve 1,115 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Pens fans are drooling over Hudler. Hudler talk at HF Pens Forum Loved this quote: If a GM is stupid enough to make an offer sheet to Hudler, he would be feeding the lion even more. God help us all if they land a goaltender.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted February 23, 2009 I think that was the OP's point. Obviously he wants Filppula moved in order to create cap space for Hudler to re-sign next year. Lebda isn't much of an asset to the Wings other than the fact that he has some playoff/finals experience under his belt and depending on what pick/prospect you're referring to this deal isn't that "crazy". It's actually quite interesting because you bolster the blueline for the remainder of the season, which has been somewhat suspect for the first time in years, you get Filppula's contract off the books which many people around here want to see (not saying I'm necessarily one of them either way), and Lebda is used as more bait in the trade. Interesting idea. To the OP: What did you have in mind for the prospect/pick that would go with Flip and Lebda. Sidenote: I don't think Florida will move Bouw, nor do I think the Wings will move Filppula. I wouldn't want the Wings to part with a top 5 prospect. Maybe someone like Ritola or Emmerton. Also here's the latest info out of Florida: Bouwmeester's future remains in limbo TheFourthPeriod.com As the Panthers try to cement their position in the playoff race, many questions remain over All-Star defenseman Jay Bouwmeester's future with the team. Bouwmeester, 25, is set to become an unrestricted free agent July 1. He's often been concerned with the hockey atmosphere in Southern Florida and the belief is that he'd like to play in a more hockey-focused environment. "We've had some success, and people are coming out a little bit," Bouwmeester told the Miami Herald. "It's something that hasn't been here since I've been here. That's kind of what you want. "There's been times when it's been kind of depressing almost. There's nobody there. But they haven't really had much to come and cheer about in the past." There are a number of teams inquiring about Bouwmeester's availability, including such teams as the Philadelphia Flyers and Boston Bruins. Sources told TFP this past week that the Montreal Canadiens had also been speaking with the Panthers about Bouwmeester before they acquired Mathieu Schneider from Atlanta. From the Editor: The Panthers are weighing their options as the trade deadline closes in. GM Jacques Martin has an idea of what's out there and what he can get, but no formal offers have been presented... yet. If Bouwmeester's dealt, the Panthers' priority is to acquire help up front. Martin said, recently, that the reason he brought in Keith Ballard, Nick Boynton and Bryan McCabe was to prepare for when Bouwmeester might leave. Their blueline is solid, but they could use extra punch up front. -- David Pagnotta. Link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
