shutoutking 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) You don't want Carcillo. Dude is a bonafide thug. I think this might be who you are looking for.... He fights, scores, checks, and is insanely popular in the community. Yep, moderately skilled forward who can fight! He had just wasted Derek Roy on a legal check there, BTW. Edited February 20, 2009 by shutoutking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 You don't want Carcillo. Dude is a bonafide thug. I think this might be who you are looking for.... He fights, scores, checks, and is insanely popular in the community. Yep, moderately skilled forward who can fight! He had just wasted Derek Roy on a legal check there, BTW. Tootoo is a bit of a doucher, and I hate him but I would gladly take him on our roster and learn to like him while he did his s***e for us unstead of against us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Anybody can waste Derek Roy on a legal check. I agree with The Secret... they need the current players to play a bit more like last year in terms of physicality, but I also wouldn't mind if they could add a Drake-like piece at the deadline. Edited February 20, 2009 by Wombat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 You don't want Carcillo. Dude is a bonafide thug. I think this might be who you are looking for.... He fights, scores, checks, and is insanely popular in the community. Yep, moderately skilled forward who can fight! He had just wasted Derek Roy on a legal check there, BTW. Although I can't debate that he is all those things, as a Wings fan I feel the slight taste of vomit coming in from the back of my mouth. :sick: He's one of those players that opponents love to hate. I think most people on this board would love to see Tootoo take a punch to the face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Seriously. I dobelieve that the Wings need to man-up and quit letting others push them around. Men should drop their gloves and stick up for thir teammates when the situation dictates. These Wings are big enough that they should be expected to be able to handle themselves in a fight. All are 6'0 or taller and 190lbs or heavier: Dan Cleary Johan Franzen Marrian Hossa Thomas Holmstrom Thomas Kopecky Mikael Samuelsson Andreas Lilja Brad stewart Val Filpula Kirk Maltby Chris chelios Lilja and Franzen are the same size as Bob Probert for crying oput loud, and quite likely a fair bit stronger, as Probie wasn't exactly known for spending his days in the weightroom. I know that some of these players are skilled enough that they shouldn't be fighting often - guys like Hossa and Flip....but freaking Maltby? Chelios? Kopecky? They have no excuse. I don't ex[pect them to fight Laraque and Boogaard - but Laraque and Boogaard are not the guys who are harassing us. Let's look at Daniel Carcillo. Dude is like 6'0, 200 lbs. He played in 57 games last year - he had 23 fights and 24 points. He was an okay player and he contributed a fair bit - certainly as much as Kopecky or Maltby do... The occasional scrap by these guys would likely fire up the fans, get a little bit more of a "family" mentality going on the bench and in the lockerroom. These men are all professional atheletes - they are fit, they are strong, they are coordinated. It shouldn't take a whole tone of work to get them to a skill level that should keep them from getting their spleens ripped out in a hockey fight. I really don't think that fighting skill is the main ingredient that we're missing, I think balls is what we're missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I would take Tootoo in a second. Neil wouldn't be bad at all. Gratton and Roberts could be available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I would dig into my own wallet to get Tootoo into a Wings uniform. I love that guy's game. Old time hockey. Like Toe Blake and Gordie Howe...okay, like Gordie Howe but without all the scoring;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 What rules are you speaking of? instigation rule. Headhunters will be gone. http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule56.html Goon does not not save Red Wings. Skilled goons cost too much and cheap goons a la Downey are useless. Red Wings players do not care what other teams think of them and therefore do not feel that they need fight to prove their "handsomness". Described action is teenage level behavior and I'm glad that RW players act like adults not teens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutoutking 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Well, no one on your roster could get close enough to Toots to give him a punch in the face Well, I don't really want to trade him, I was just defining what you were looking for Koistenen, though, he you can have for a sixpack. Here is a Toots fight at a game I was at this year...good stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Seriously. I dobelieve that the Wings need to man-up and quit letting others push them around. Men should drop their gloves and stick up for thir teammates when the situation dictates. These Wings are big enough that they should be expected to be able to handle themselves in a fight. All are 6'0 or taller and 190lbs or heavier: Dan Cleary Johan Franzen Marrian Hossa Thomas Holmstrom Thomas Kopecky Mikael Samuelsson Andreas Lilja Brad stewart Val Filpula Kirk Maltby Chris chelios Lilja and Franzen are the same size as Bob Probert for crying oput loud, and quite likely a fair bit stronger, as Probie wasn't exactly known for spending his days in the weightroom. I know that some of these players are skilled enough that they shouldn't be fighting often - guys like Hossa and Flip....but freaking Maltby? Chelios? Kopecky? They have no excuse. I don't ex[pect them to fight Laraque and Boogaard - but Laraque and Boogaard are not the guys who are harassing us. Let's look at Daniel Carcillo. Dude is like 6'0, 200 lbs. He played in 57 games last year - he had 23 fights and 24 points. He was an okay player and he contributed a fair bit - certainly as much as Kopecky or Maltby do... The occasional scrap by these guys would likely fire up the fans, get a little bit more of a "family" mentality going on the bench and in the lockerroom. These men are all professional atheletes - they are fit, they are strong, they are coordinated. It shouldn't take a whole tone of work to get them to a skill level that should keep them from getting their spleens ripped out in a hockey fight. I really don't think that fighting skill is the main ingredient that we're missing, I think balls is what we're missing. AMEN DUDE....i couldn't agree more! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Fighting takes a killer instinct that some just aren't born with. Thats not to say that every player you mentioned couldn't occassionally lower the boom with a crushing check. What drives me nuts is to see little girlie men like filipoolah who tucks tail and runs every single time... never even throws an F-bomb let alone a knuckle bomb. Or the sammy special when he gently throws a body part in the way of an opposing player only to be knock around himself. Maltby is a puss but he does throw his weight occassionally. I remember when we got to the level of being able to throw checks as a child playing hockey, every one couldn't wait to be able to hit people, some became great at it some not but everyone hit when they could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 The Wings don't need to tell the guys to fight more... but a lot of those players do need to step up and protect their teammates more often. Those are guys that should be finishing checks more often rather that pulling off to chase the puck. And you need to go on more than just size. Filpula?? Dude when get snapped if he dropped the gloves. Guys like Theo Fluery were tiny but they could still throw their body around. The team last year did not win with guys bullying teams and pounding with their fists. They won with an overall team grittiness, when everyone committed to finishing checks and protecting teammates in scrums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Well, no one on your roster could get close enough to Toots to give him a punch in the face Well, I don't really want to trade him, I was just defining what you were looking for Koistenen, though, he you can have for a sixpack. Here is a Toots fight at a game I was at this year...good stuff i don't know. i think downey would give him a run. i think even lilja would. Edited February 20, 2009 by hillbillywingsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Fighting takes a killer instinct that some just aren't born with. Thats not to say that every player you mentioned couldn't occassionally lower the boom with a crushing check. What drives me nuts is to see little girlie men like filipoolah who tucks tail and runs every single time... never even throws an F-bomb let alone a knuckle bomb. Or the sammy special when he gently throws a body part in the way of an opposing player only to be knock around himself. Maltby is a puss but he does throw his weight occassionally. I remember when we got to the level of being able to throw checks as a child playing hockey, every one couldn't wait to be able to hit people, some became great at it some not but everyone hit when they could. Actually, quite often i see sammy at the head of the scrap. He may night actually fight but I ALWAYS see that dude talkin down the other teams guys. Hell i was 3 feet away when sammy and robidas almost went at it on jan 8th. I heard what was said...only thing between me and them was the glass. Sammy said to him, u f*** with hiim you f*** with me (talking about a dirty hit on huds) and robidas backed down saying "i wont fight with your visor on" sammy just kept calling him out until the linesmen broke it up. Point is..sammy was there standing up for his mates and I always seem to see him doing this even if he never does fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I would take Tootoo in a second. Neil wouldn't be bad at all. Gratton and Roberts could be available. Gratton would come packaged with a pick himself. Hes already cleared waivers at least once this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Gratton would come packaged with a pick himself. Hes already cleared waivers at least once this year. I didn;t realize how much he had fallen off... Todd Marchant might waive his NTC if the Ducks are out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, quite often i see sammy at the head of the scrap. He may night actually fight but I ALWAYS see that dude talkin down the other teams guys. Hell i was 3 feet away when sammy and robidas almost went at it on jan 8th. I heard what was said...only thing between me and them was the glass. Sammy said to him, u f*** with hiim you f*** with me (talking about a dirty hit on huds) and robidas backed down saying "i wont fight with your visor on" sammy just kept calling him out until the linesmen broke it up. Point is..sammy was there standing up for his mates and I always seem to see him doing this even if he never does fight. Good for him then.... he should do more of that. But as soon as Robidas or anyone else would have turned to face him, he would slither a ref in between them rather then Jersey up and knuckle dust'em. And Robidas? Doesn't sammy have 4 inches in height and 20 lbs on him? At least shove his ass to the ground while he is giving him the gums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimace1970 81 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I seriously doubt it, dude: Dan Cleary - has a lot of heart, and recently held his own against that prick Pronger even though hopelessly outreached and weighed Johan Franzen - an interesting idea - he's such a big brute, but of the two fights he's been in, his opponent won hands down Marrian Hossa - recent evidence of his fighting ability suggests, no Thomas Holmstrom - Homer has a very specific job he is really good at, I don't want him fighting. He takes enough of a beating as it is around the net (and around the crotch some nights) Thomas Kopecky - hits well, but has one fight in the NHL and didn't do well; see Sharp Mikael Samuelsson - can't fight, just pisses people off Andreas Lilja - can hit but can't fight; see his Moen and Sharp "fights" Brad stewart - beat down by Ruutu, has showed reluctance to fight in his past skirmishes Val Filpula - what, are you kidding? Kirk Maltby - great instigator, hasn't won a fight since our 90s cup days; tends to turtle these days Chris chelios - might break a hip I would like to enter into evidence, however, the following: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I'd love it if they brought in Joey Kocur to teach a few pointers, like he did with Jiri Fischer. Fischer came back and destroyed Hartnell with one punch, ala Kocur. So beautiful to watch. I think Lilja, Kopecky and Cleary would sign up for classes... maybe even Samuelsson. Though Sammy doesn;t ever get tough until a ref is holding him back. Not sure if we will ever really see Franzen fight - just doesn't seem in his nature. Edited February 20, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I agree with the statement in the title of this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, quite often i see sammy at the head of the scrap. He may night actually fight but I ALWAYS see that dude talkin down the other teams guys. Hell i was 3 feet away when sammy and robidas almost went at it on jan 8th. I heard what was said...only thing between me and them was the glass. Sammy said to him, u f*** with hiim you f*** with me (talking about a dirty hit on huds) and robidas backed down saying "i wont fight with your visor on" sammy just kept calling him out until the linesmen broke it up. Point is..sammy was there standing up for his mates and I always seem to see him doing this even if he never does fight. "Standing up for his mates?" What are you talking about? standing up for his mate would have meant throwing off his helmet and gloves and saying to Robidas "fair enough, let's go". talking smack while hiding behind a visor is not sticking up for someone - neither is scrum activity, facewashes, etc. those prove nothing, everyone in the league is willing to do that, no message is sent, no sacrifice is made for the good of the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokike 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 "Standing up for his mates?" What are you talking about? standing up for his mate would have meant throwing off his helmet and gloves and saying to Robidas "fair enough, let's go". talking smack while hiding behind a visor is not sticking up for someone - neither is scrum activity, facewashes, etc. those prove nothing, everyone in the league is willing to do that, no message is sent, no sacrifice is made for the good of the team. RW players are not afraid of other teams and therefore do not feel they need to "send messages". and since they( RW players) do not care what others are thinking of them, it is futile to "send messages" to RW players too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 i don't know. i think downey would give him a run. i think even lilja would. Downey would kill Tootoo and Lilly would have superior reach on him probably keeping Toots from landing anything before Lilly threw him to the ice. I give Tootoo credit though, he's come a long way from the cheap-shotting skate away type guys we knew him as before. He's not a great fighter but at least he mans up now. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) RW players are not afraid of other teams and therefore do not feel they need to "send messages". and since they( RW players) do not care what others are thinking of them, it is futile to "send messages" to RW players too. You sound like you have some good insider info. What else can your source tell us about what's going thru the players' heads? Edited February 20, 2009 by ManLuv4Clears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted February 20, 2009 RW players are not afraid of other teams and therefore do not feel they need to "send messages". and since they( RW players) do not care what others are thinking of them, it is futile to "send messages" to RW players too. Lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
