CanadaBoy 151 Report post Posted March 5, 2009 "We worked the phone lines to see if maybe something made sense. But I told (coach) Mike Babcock last summer, when we signed Marian Hossa, that we were making our deadline deal then." - Ken Holland http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=412523 Interesting read on Kenny's thoughts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bellarina 1 Report post Posted March 5, 2009 Amen! Praise the lord. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2009 The Wings made the best deadline deal of them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 damn, mislead me to believing we signed Hossa for next year or at least had an update. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 I understand the idea this is getting at, but its somewhat misleading. It makes it sound like Hossa was on Holland's agenda from day one, and his primary goal was to use up the rest of his cap space in the off-season by signing Hossa, when in reality, Hossa kind of "fell into Holland's lap", so to speak. It begs the question what this team would've looked like after the deadline had Hossa not signed himself over to the Wings so willingly. Since the implementation of the cap, hes been known to "save his cap space for the deadline." I don't mean this as a critique of Holland at all - I'm just saying that stars kind of aligned for this sort of thing to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 I understand the idea this is getting at, but its somewhat misleading. It makes it sound like Hossa was on Holland's agenda from day one, and his primary goal was to use up the rest of his cap space in the off-season by signing Hossa, when in reality, Hossa kind of "fell into Holland's lap", so to speak. It begs the question what this team would've looked like after the deadline had Hossa not signed himself over to the Wings so willingly. Since the implementation of the cap, hes been known to "save his cap space for the deadline." I don't mean this as a critique of Holland at all - I'm just saying that stars kind of aligned for this sort of thing to happen. Sure it was a gamble, and if Hossa got badly injured in that St.Louis game then it would of been a disaster. so far its paying off... the Wings knew they were getting a pretty tough guy and a proven player when they made the decision to go get him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 Yet again Holland is the best GM out there. He made the trade in JUNE without even losing any players / prospects / draft picks. When have you seen another GM do that and lose nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 I understand the idea this is getting at, but its somewhat misleading. It makes it sound like Hossa was on Holland's agenda from day one, and his primary goal was to use up the rest of his cap space in the off-season by signing Hossa, when in reality, Hossa kind of "fell into Holland's lap", so to speak. It begs the question what this team would've looked like after the deadline had Hossa not signed himself over to the Wings so willingly. Since the implementation of the cap, hes been known to "save his cap space for the deadline." I don't mean this as a critique of Holland at all - I'm just saying that stars kind of aligned for this sort of thing to happen. Hossa was on Holland's radar all last season. The Red Wings had extensive talking leading up to last years trade deadline but in the end weren't willing to give up what ATL was asking. The night the Wings won the cup both Babcock and Kopecky said something to Hossa about coming to the Wings in the hand shake line, and finally Holland made a multi-year offer for Hossa on July 1st. Holland persued Hossa, he just thought it was a lost cause, that is until Hossa decided he wanted it to happen just as bad and offered the one year deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elshupacabra 0 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 I'm pretty sure that our move was better and more effective than Jokinen and Neil put together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow47 1 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 The idea that Hossa "IS our trade deadline acquisition" is bulls***. Holland is talking about it from a money perspective which is understandable, that he used money he could have saved for the deadline BEFORE the season. This is a simplistic method of easing the fan uproar over not making a deal. But those that buy into what Ken is saying miss the point of what the deadline deals ultimately SHOULD be made to do: to observe how your current team plays during the season, and then after the observation period to make changes based on your team's weaknesses/shortcomings for the postseason. To say Hossa WAS the deal is defeating this very important aspect of the trade deadline. The Wings have shown themselves as being one of the worst defenses in the league THIS season, yet they did nothing to help themselves in that area, and will have to live or die by it in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) double post Edited March 6, 2009 by Booster313 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 The idea that Hossa "IS our trade deadline acquisition" is bulls***. Holland is talking about it from a money perspective which is understandable, that he used money he could have saved for the deadline BEFORE the season. This is a simplistic method of easing the fan uproar over not making a deal. But those that buy into what Ken is saying miss the point of what the deadline deals ultimately SHOULD be made to do: to observe how your current team plays during the season, and then after the observation period to make changes based on your team's weaknesses/shortcomings for the postseason. To say Hossa WAS the deal is defeating this very important aspect of the trade deadline. The Wings have shown themselves as being one of the worst defenses in the league THIS season, yet they did nothing to help themselves in that area, and will have to live or die by it in the playoffs. Hossa > any possible deadline deal. Holland made the right decision in July and now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLWINGSFAN4013 5 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) we dont have the $ for a march deadline deal and with hossa, franzen and hudler coming up we need al the $ we can get....so heres hopes to a unrealistic bump in the salary for next year rather than the realistic hit it probably will have. Edited March 6, 2009 by FLWINGSFAN4013 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 we dont have the $ for a march deadline deal and with hossa, franzen and hudler coming up we need al the $ we can get....so heres hopes to a unrealistic bump in the salary for next year rather than the realistic hit it probably will have. I think the projection is 55.9 - 57.9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted March 6, 2009 Hossa was on Holland's radar all last season. The Red Wings had extensive talking leading up to last years trade deadline but in the end weren't willing to give up what ATL was asking. The night the Wings won the cup both Babcock and Kopecky said something to Hossa about coming to the Wings in the hand shake line, and finally Holland made a multi-year offer for Hossa on July 1st. Holland persued Hossa, he just thought it was a lost cause, that is until Hossa decided he wanted it to happen just as bad and offered the one year deal. A Flipulla + 1st + Prospect deal was requested for hossa at last year deadline, a trade Ken Holland very near considered so much so that he told Flipulla of his intentions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted March 6, 2009 This means that the RW scouting and interest in defensemen was likely to give SJ problems (yes he may have actually seriously considered it, but you sorta gotta be prepared if your getting into a price war anyways). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted March 6, 2009 The night the Wings won the cup both Babcock and Kopecky said something to Hossa about coming to the Wings in the hand shake line I think that's an apocryphal story. Babs denied saying anything, but then I get the feeling that's the kind of thing you would want private anyways. Anyways, the rest of your post is true enough; Hossa was a target all of last season but it just didn't happen until the offseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 6, 2009 The idea that Hossa "IS our trade deadline acquisition" is bulls***. Holland is talking about it from a money perspective which is understandable, that he used money he could have saved for the deadline BEFORE the season. This is a simplistic method of easing the fan uproar over not making a deal. But those that buy into what Ken is saying miss the point of what the deadline deals ultimately SHOULD be made to do: to observe how your current team plays during the season, and then after the observation period to make changes based on your team's weaknesses/shortcomings for the postseason. To say Hossa WAS the deal is defeating this very important aspect of the trade deadline. The Wings have shown themselves as being one of the worst defenses in the league THIS season, yet they did nothing to help themselves in that area, and will have to live or die by it in the playoffs. Despite not being statistically the best team defensively, the team is good enough defensively to win and put itself in a position to vie for the President's trophy. What's bulls*** is people who think this team needs to dump and add players just because they're in a slump, or focus entirely (or too extensively) on statistics and miss the bigger picture. Babs sees and reports to Kenny who is expendable, and rightfully no one looked expendable, especially given the cap situation. Hossa WAS the deadline deal, and look at how many draft picks it cost the Wings -- 0. While no one here who watches the games will say this defense is amazing, especially compared to previous seasons, they are winning, are doing even better than last season, and are showing they can beat teams they may face in the playoffs. Fans start panicking way too much when Wings don't beat the f*** out of the opponent every game, when they should be thankful the Wings continuously put themselves in a position to win the cup (or have very good odds of it) every season for over a decade and a half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites