steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 I think you have some good opinions I really agree with. The Sharks are plain awesome at their Sharks tank while the Red Wings are also good at JLA, not as much as the Sharks are in their tank though. However, I think there is no magical assumption the Sharks will play great hockey in the tank during the playoff. As I remember the last season, the Sharks were great on the road game, far better than their home stats. It can be complained for several reasons as they did not play good enough but their road stats were 1W 2L against the Flames, and 1W 2L against the Stars. I agree the Sharks have a great chance to beat the Red Wings in the Sharks tank in game 7 but there is no magical assumption that the Sharks will be frightened to play in the Sharks tank. I am on your side the Red Wings need a first seed as much as we want and they want. However, it is not a necessary thing to achieve. What really desperate for every team is the great stanley cup, not desperate run for the president trophy or the first seed. I really want the Wings clinch the first seed in the West but I am going to be fine although the Wings clinched the 2nd. In 1997 and 1998, after we won the cup in 1997, we got the cup again in 1998; at that time, as you know we were the 2nd in the west behind the Stars. People said the Stars were great at home so the Wings might have a hard time to beat the Stars but the Wings won in game 6 and won the cup. One more example is 06-07 season's Flames. It must be quite funny to compare 8th seed team and the group of 1st seed and the 2nd seed team but the Flames had more than 30 wins in that season according to my memory. However, because of our decent home stats and away stats, we could eliminate the them in the game 6. Not a perfect series win for the first seed team to beat the 8th seed team but that is a deal. Besides, the Wings lost 2 games on the tank while they won 2 games in JLA. However, if I see deeply, the Wings actually could win the game, which we lost by 6-5. In JLA, it was just dominant performance by the Wings. If I assume the Wings and the Sharks meet in the WCF, I can see the Wings take one or two games from the Sharks tank while the Sharks will continuously struggle in JLA. Definitely not necessary. But I think everyone would feel a lot better going into that game if it was at the Joe. What is necessary, is us getting there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Yep. And we only need to steal one. Once Wings are firing on all 8-cylinders, they can't be stopped. Like I said, Wings biggest challenge will be in the first round. Both teams won both games at home. Yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Ok turned back to it for a second. 1 minute left in the game I see. San Jose with a great last second effort and the Sharks win. Wings realistically aren't gonna catch 'em. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Sharks win, 2-1. See ya, President's Trophy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Funny when Pavelski almost scored that empty netter.. great effort on the Sharks part. 4 points ahead of the Wings, even in games. Now they're a +57 goal differential to the Wings' +54. Wings basically need 2 wins if they can make up the goal differential, or 3 wins if they can't make up the goal differential. Example: Wings win 5 of the last 6, Sharks have to win only 2/3 of the last 6 to be under threat of losing their reigns. Then there's the assumption that Boston doesn't win any more than 5 out of their last 7. Wings need to play nearly perfectly, and Sharks need to f*** up badly, and the Bruins can't run (or come within a game of) running the tables. Basically, barring a miracle, kiss the Pres' trophy goodbye with this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveyzerman 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Are you talking about this season? This season is tied, but Detroit blew Sharks out while we fought them hard and slapped them around this year, which could have just as easily went the other way. I don't like Shoot Outs. Sharks win tonight though. Calgary couldn't finish on their chances. Yeah. I was talking about this season. The Sharks are different this year. I'm not counting on them to choke. I am, however, hoping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmmthesharks 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Not the best effort by the Sharks, but a win is a win. And to everyone who thinks the Sharks will choke again, please don't make assumptions. Every year is different, and I'm sure nobody can argue that this year has been the best Sharks season in the last 5 years, if ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Not the best effort by the Sharks, but a win is a win. And to everyone who thinks the Sharks will choke again, please don't make assumptions. Every year is different, and I'm sure nobody can argue that this year has been the best Sharks season in the last 5 years, if ever. First of all, if you're really confident about your team this year, you shouldn't give a flying F about what Wings fans think of them. Just as I don't give a flying F about what you think of the Wings. Constantly whining to get respect doesn't get it. This game says more about the Lames than it does about the Sharks. If they can't bea t abanged-up Sharks team in Calgary, they're just asking to be some Central Division team's first round upset at this point. Thinking about it, if that happens, the Sharks will possibly face two Central Division teams in a row in the first two rounds, since they'd probably play the lowest seed in the second round (Nashville? St. Louis). If the playoffs started today: SJ-STL Det-NAS Cgy-Colum Chi-Van The second round as I see it would be: SJ-Colum DET-Van Should the Sharks and Detroit meet in the WCF, the Sharks will end up playing three teams in a row from the Central, which is a brutal travel schedule for them should any of the series' go to six or seven games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmmthesharks 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 First of all, if you're really confident about your team this year, you shouldn't give a flying F about what Wings fans think of them. Just as I don't give a flying F about what you think of the Wings. Constantly whining to get respect doesn't get it. This game says more about the Lames than it does about the Sharks. If they can't bea t abanged-up Sharks team in Calgary, they're just asking to be some Central Division team's first round upset at this point. Thinking about it, if that happens, the Sharks will possibly face two Central Division teams in a row in the first two rounds, since they'd probably play the lowest seed in the second round (Nashville? St. Louis). If the playoffs started today: SJ-STL Det-NAS Cgy-Colum Chi-Van The second round as I see it would be: SJ-Colum DET-Van Should the Sharks and Detroit meet in the WCF, the Sharks will end up playing three teams in a row from the Central, which is a brutal travel schedule for them should any of the series' go to six or seven games. Quite honestly, I see a 2nd round matchup between Detroit and Calgary more likely then your scenario and if that were the case, it would alot more difficult for one of those teams to come out and play as well as they can against whoever they will be facing, whether it be the Sharks or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmmthesharks 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Yeah, we heard that from Sharky fans last year too..and we all know how well that worked out for them. Like I said, every year is different. The Sharks aren't the same team they were last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 I'm willing to bet that hmmthesharks wouldn't have posted if the Sharks lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hopper15 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Yeah, we heard that from Sharky fans last year too..and we all know how well that worked out for them. Last year was last year tool. In case you didn't notice Ron Wilson is long gone and Todd McLellan has already eclipsed most of Ron Wilson's accomplishments in only one year. Edited March 31, 2009 by Hopper15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 I'm willing to bet that hmmthesharks wouldn't have posted if the Sharks lost. I would take that bet. Hmmthesharks is a pretty upright guy, who calls it how he sees it. Win or lose he is the most consistent SJ fan on these boards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Last was last year tool. In case you didn't notice Ron Wilson is long gone and Todd McLellan has already eclipsed most of Ron Wilson's accomplishments in only one year. Yeah, it only took an assistant coach from the Red Wings for all of that to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 We already proved that we can be them in their house. Really, when? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Sadly (and I mean it, sadly) I agree with MrSandMan. I've heard nothing in the Bay Area in the last few regular seasons about how great the Sharks are and how they're going to tear it up in the playoffs, only for them to lose in the playoffs. And once again we're in the same scenario, where last year is last year, and this year is this year. I'm one of those who hope the Sharks can win it if the Wings don't, but in reality Sharks fans (here on these forums and in especially in the Bay Area) would be wise to put some good ol' duct tape on it until their team actually wins the cup, or be nonsensical and simply get pissed off when people point out the obvious broken record "this year is different" argument when it's not until they win the cup. Edited March 31, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Sadly (and I mean it, sadly) I agree with MrSandMan. I've heard nothing in the Bay Area in the last few regular seasons about how great the Sharks are and how they're going to tear it up in the playoffs, only for them to lose in the playoffs. And once again we're in the same scenario, where last year is last year, and this year is this year. I'm one of those who hope the Sharks can win it if the Wings don't, but in reality Sharks fans (here on these forums and in especially in the Bay Area) would be wise to put some good ol' duct tape on it until their team actually wins the cup, or be nonsensical and simply get pissed off when people point out the obvious broken record "this year is different" argument when it's not until they win the cup. LOL, whatever helps you sleep at night. 50 wins with 6 to play, is a hell of a season, especially considering the injuries the team has encountered the last 2 months. Not predicting any outcome in the playoffs, but I think that it is naive to look at the past failures as an indicator of what is to come. This is a very different team then past years, from the coaching staff down, the stats/results prove it out. How that manifests itself in the playoffs is completely unknown. If I were to break it down, I would give the Wings a slight edge, but just a slight one: 5 on 5: Wings PP: Wings PK: Sharks Goalie: Sharks Depth: Sharks (slightly) I would argue that all injuries are blessing in disguise for the Sharks. The regulars (who were injured) are rested, and the rookies have gotten significant ice time and invaluable learning experience. The few that will dress are going to enter the playoffs with a ton of confidence knowing that they can play at this level) Experience: Wings If the Sharks win the Pres Trophy I wouldn't bet against them, but that's just me. The Wings are going to likely have two very physical rounds of hockey to play just to get to the WCF. I just hope the Wings and Sharks both make it to the WCF, that will be a series to remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Wow, you really think Detroit never won a game in San Jose building? I always knew Shark fans weren't very knowledgeable about hockey, but c'mon! And it doesn't matter about home ice advantage, Sharks are not going to make it to the WCF anyhow. Mark my words. When was the last time the Wings won in SJ smart ass? Of course they have won in SJ, just like the Sharks have won at the Joe, what the hell does that amount to genius???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) LOL, whatever helps you sleep at night. 50 wins with 6 to play, is a hell of a season, especially considering the injuries the team has encountered the last 2 months. Not predicting any outcome in the playoffs, but I think that it is naive to look at the past failures as an indicator of what is to come. This is a very different team then past years, from the coaching staff down, the stats/results prove it out. How that manifests itself in the playoffs is completely unknown. What you call naivety, most wise people would call common sense. If a team is consistently making the playoffs and not even going as far as the SCF, and when, year in and year out, you hear the same "this year is different!" s***, of course you're going to get a chuckle out of it and wait for the proof in the pudding. Most people will suggest the Sharks need to have something to show for all the hype they've been getting. Thusfar, nothing. The difference between us is, my team winning a cup actually helps me sleep at night, and maybe blind optimism with complete logical and historical disregard helps you sleep at night. To each their own. As for the rest of your post, it's mere conjecture and analysis of things which really doesn't mean anything to me except hoping the Wings and Sharks meet up. Edited March 31, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) The sharks seem have pretty good depth, but the Wings are by far the deepest team in the league. That said I do agree with the Sharks fan, that it is a team to be reckoned with this year. A wings/sharks WCF matchup seems likely, though we'd mop the floor. Edited March 31, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 Yep. And we only need to steal one. Once Wings are firing on all 8-cylinders, they can't be stopped. Like I said, Wings biggest challenge will be in the first round. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 You give the Sharks the edge in depth? Lol. Okay Actually I am willing to bet that if the Sharks and Wings do meet, it will be that depth that puts the Sharks over the top. Our 3 & 4th lines are much more physical then yours and that will be the difference in a 7 game series. Not taking anything away from the Wings, your team is a scoring machine, but I think the Sharks would wear the Wings down in a long series. Combine that with the now likelyhood that the Wings will have to play the Preds & Flames before a matchup with the Sharks (assuming Sharks advance), and you have a very vunerable Wings team. All conjecture I know, but hey what the hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbastrd 90 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 If a team is consistently making the playoffs and not even going as far as the SCF, and when, year in and year out, you hear the same "this year is different!" Hey the same was said of the wings in the 90's when they were retooling to become champions again. Hell the expansion sharks even knocked em out...go figure. I will agree that the West is a crap shoot in all reality. There are probably 4-5 teams in the Western Conf that could go all the way, but to say the Sharks will never win, because they haven't won is...naive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTU_Huskies963 398 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 When was the last time the Wings won in SJ smart ass? Of course they have won in SJ, just like the Sharks have won at the Joe, what the hell does that amount to genius???? During the regular season the wings have sucked it up in the shark tank they have shown they can win there in the playoffs. I do think the wings chances of wining on the road in a series against the sharks are a lot higher than the sharks winning at the Joe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted March 31, 2009 hmmthesharks is female, by the by. And I agree she's consistent. Moxie is a great thing in some people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
