Mors 201 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Your Man Love for Lilja is odd and causes you to have an overbown view of his ability in the physical department. Parros would never be scared of Andreas Lilja, in fact it would not be a fight. It was obviously meant as a joke, and regardless I wouldn't count on Parros doing much in this series other than playing with his mustache. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Fischer was not overrated at all - he was young and improving every single year. Fast skater, huge body, excellent puck control, could play physical, hit hard, took lessons from Kocur and took Hartnell out in one punch in a fight, great passer and had a hard shot. Defensemen, especialy big defensemen, take a long time to develop. You know posts like this one always make me wonder what could have been, what is the guy 29 now. Man that kid had it all, and he was smart as hell too, he was learning from everyone he could. Damn shame! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 I'm extremely glad to see that Lils is skating again. Means he can at least come out on the ice to raise the Cup over his head again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Fischer was not overrated at all - he was young and improving every single year. Fast skater, huge body, excellent puck control, could play physical, hit hard, took lessons from Kocur and took Hartnell out in one punch in a fight, great passer and had a hard shot. Defensemen, especialy big defensemen, take a long time to develop. He should have taken the smaller Hartnell with one punch. That fight went as it should have gone. Jiri's other sracps with smaller oponents (Scott Thornton, Iginla) showed that he was nowhere near as tough as a man his size should have been. I always liked Jiri and he did improve every year that he played - but he was not by any means a great player when he got hurt nor would he have likely ever become great. Someone on here a few weeks back said that he's be a Norris contender if he was still playing. That's an example of the kind of hindsight overestimating I'm talking about. Fischer improved with time, eventually becoming a trustworthy, capable D-Man - but that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 He should have taken the smaller Hartnell with one punch. That fight went as it should have gone. Jiri's other sracps with smaller oponents (Scott Thornton, Iginla) showed that he was nowhere near as tough as a man his size should have been. I always liked Jiri and he did improve every year that he played - but he was not by any means a great player when he got hurt nor would he have likely ever become great. Someone on here a few weeks back said that he's be a Norris contender if he was still playing. That's an example of the kind of hindsight overestimating I'm talking about. Fischer improved with time, eventually becoming a trustworthy, capable D-Man - but that's it. If the Wings had taken the same route with Fischer as they have with Ericcson than the criticism levied towards him would have been minimal. He would not have been playing at such a high level of competition during his maturation process. I always felt Fischer was in the NHL 3-4 years before he really should have been but necessity couldn't wait for him to progress in the minors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) He should have taken the smaller Hartnell with one punch. That fight went as it should have gone. Jiri's other sracps with smaller oponents (Scott Thornton, Iginla) showed that he was nowhere near as tough as a man his size should have been. I always liked Jiri and he did improve every year that he played - but he was not by any means a great player when he got hurt nor would he have likely ever become great. Someone on here a few weeks back said that he's be a Norris contender if he was still playing. That's an example of the kind of hindsight overestimating I'm talking about. Fischer improved with time, eventually becoming a trustworthy, capable D-Man - but that's it. For such a proponent of fighting, you seem awfully ignorant of the actual practice of it. So a taller guy should always be able to beat up a shorter guy, is that it? Fischer grew up playing in Europe, where fighting was severely punished, unlike in north america where it is a part of the game. Is it possible actual experience fighting might be an advantage when actually getting in a fight? Could an experienced fighter possibly ever take down someone bigger and stronger than him? Good god, you come so far out of left field sometimes. Fischer had 3 inches and only 15 lbs on Hartnell, I don't consider that a David Vs. Goliath scenario. Fischer took the time to literally take boxing lessons from Joey Kocur and it paid off. WTF? I would have thought you would respect something like that? And you admit Jiri played better every year, but don't think he could have continued to improve. He was 24 when he retired and would be all of 28 today. How many Norrises had Lidstrom won by the age of 23? How about at 28? Edited April 30, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) For such a proponent of fighting, you seem awfully ignorant of the actual practice of it. So a taller guy should always be able to beat up a shorter guy, is that it? Fischer grew up playing in Europe, where fighting was severely punished, unlike in north america where it is a part of the game. Is it possible actual experience fighting might be an advantage when actually getting in a fight? Could an experienced fighter possibly ever take down someone bigger and stronger than him? Good god, you come so far out of left field sometimes. Taller and heavier. I didn't say that the bigger guy should always win, I said that the bigger guy should be expected to win. It's not like Hatrnell is regarded as a great fighter for his size, Tie Domi he isn't. If I had to pick a favorite in that scrap my money would have been on Fischer. He accomplished exactly what he should have accomplished. Fischer had 3 inches and only 15 lbs on Hartnell, I don't consider that a David Vs. Goliath scenario. Fischer took the time to literally take boxing lessons from Joey Kocur and it paid off. WTF? I would have thought you would respect something like that? Did I post that I don't appreciate that? No. I posted that he wasn't a great player...because he wasn't. He also wasn't a great fighter. That isn't a dig or an insult or an indication that I didn't like him or appreciate him. And you admit Jiri played better every year, but don't think he could have continued to improve. He was 24 when he retired and would be all of 28 today. How many Norrises had Lidstrom won by the age of 23? How about at 28? He could have, and likely would have continued to improve. No comparisons can be made between 23yo Lidstrom and 23yo Fischer. I watched Lidstrom when he was 22 and 23 - everybody knew that he was special. Nobody ever expected Fischer to grow into a superstar, and he never would have. He wasn't an awful player, in fact he was a good, reliable player - but he was not a great player nor was he expected to mature into one. Edited April 30, 2009 by micah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Lilja practiced today and Drapes is out games 1 and 2 due to an undisclosed injury. Probably DarrenHelmitus. http://www.freep.com/article/20090430/BLOG...Games+1+&+2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 DarrenHelmitus Priceless but I think when he is healthy Maltby or Kopecky will come down with DraperishealthyDarrenHelmitus, it is a secondary strain of the original disease and has no real indications or signs of sickness or injury and that is what makes it harder to diagnose as well as cure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted April 30, 2009 Good call, you're probably right. Sorry Malts, hopefully it's no relation to the swine flu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 Any hope for a playoff appearance from Lils? Or is conditioning too big a factor for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 He won't be playing anymore this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 He won't be playing anymore this year that's what I fear... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 15, 2009 He won't be playing anymore this year No!!! You're wrong! He'll get all better by Sunday - You'll see. Yeah... Yeah... He'll be all better by Sunday... Alright that's enough overreacting but that's just too bad for him. He had a great year, by his standards. And having him back on the penalty kill would help a lot, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
