No Suspension for Brown

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So sick of people comparing what Brown did to what Brashear did. They aren't the same. Brown targeted the player with the puck... Brashear targeted whoever was close enough to nail. They are entirely different scenarios, so let this go already.

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The thing that really irks me, though, is that Brown was skating up ice and veered towards Hudler to put that check on him, knowing full-well that Hudler wasn't aware of him.

if you watch the video of this on youtube pick up Brown right when he is in the crease , just before he starts up ice, pause it if you have to, you'll see how he charged towards Hudler looking at him , he knew exactly what he was doing. He was headhunting, plain and simple.

Add to that the fact that some anaylyts on TSN were saying how some ducks were upset with Hudler before b/c they thought he got his stick up on Beachemin (sp?) and you'll see this was pre-meditated.

I think it's time for the skill players to play this game. It takes no skill to take a cheap shot at somebody's head. Watch the last scrum when they were all piling in on Ozzie, about the 7th and last guy in was Pronger and all he could add was to start punching on a Wings head from behind. Coward. This team is full of them.

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So sick of people comparing what Brown did to what Brashear did. They aren't the same. Brown targeted the player with the puck... Brashear targeted whoever was close enough to nail. They are entirely different scenarios, so let this go already.

Not quite. And even then Betts was the guy that dumped the puck in same as Jiri.

[sixer 37]

Unbelievable. Should at least have been 1 or 2 games.

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Not quite. And even then Betts was the guy that dumped the puck in same as Jiri.

Believing they are identical is pure homerism. But that's fine.

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this just made me furious. from Malik:

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/05/du...suggests_t.html

The Toronto Star's Kevin McGran adds a bizarre post-script to Anaheim Ducks forward Mike Brown's hit on Red Wings forward Jiri Hudler:

May 2, Toronto Star: Anaheim forward Mike Brown won't be subject to any further discipline following his game misconduct for the check to the head of Detroit's Jiri Hudler.

The hit was the source of much debate the past two days in Detroit, with some believing the referees overreacted to the blood on the ice that was a result of Hudler's visor scraping his face.

"I'm not sold it's a penalty, let alone a major," said Ducks general manager Bob Murray. "What about (Wings defenceman Niklas) Kronwall's hit on (Ryan) Carter? You should see Carter's face and nose. But he didn't lie on the ice and roll around."

Let's see it, moron.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

You're not a 'dinosaur' for wanting to keep brutal hits that potentially end player's careers in hockey--you're and idiot for wanting that.

Seriously? You've been here for 5 minutes. You have to earn the right to insult me.

Thankfully, i'm not easily insulted by peons.

[Guest bobbyryan]

Seriously? You've been here for 5 minutes. You have to earn the right to insult me.

Thankfully, i'm not easily insulted by peons.

Gordie, love your posts. I'll buy you a beer if you make it to the Ponda. One dinosaur to another.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Gordie, love your posts. I'll buy you a beer if you make it to the Ponda. One dinosaur to another.

I will hold you to that. I was just out there 2 weeks ago. Well, not exactly there, but Hermosa beach.

For the record, I'm not saying that the league shouldn't try to do something about this nor am I saying they shouldn't make an effort to abolish these types of hits.

All I am saying is that as of this point the league doesn't seem to have a clear grasp of what or how they are going to accomplish this.

Is the league going to be the judge of intent? Is it going to make hits like Brian Campbell's and Brad Stuart's illegal?

I already posed this question and nobody picked up on it. Why? Because nobody knows what the f*** they are talking about. Seriously, what makes Brian Campbell's hit on Umberger a few years back any different than Brown's hit on Hudler? Because Umberger was receiving a pass instead of giving one? Campbell lined him up, Umberger had no idea he was there, it was a shoulder blow to the jaw/face area. So is this going to be a suspendable hit?

What about Brad Stuart? Umberger knew he was there but it was still a blow to the jaw. That is contact with the head. I don't know about most people but I don't skate standing up like a fecking pole. How are we going to prevent hits to the head? The only true answer is not to hit anybody in the middle of the ice. How is that going to be possible? What happens if the guy isn't bloodied and just pops back up and the refs missed it? Are they going to send tape to the league and suspend afterward?

It's one thing to ask players to respect each other enough not to target an unsuspecting person. It's another to try and penalize this kind of play out of hockey. This isn't the same as penalizing for leaving the bench during a fight. This has a far greater grey area.

Anyway, my point through all this is that Wings fans are a bunch of whiny ******* sometimes. Complaining about Brown not getting supsended and crying over spilt milk. The league doesn't even know how to handle this yet, they don't have a set criteria or standard they are using. In short, the league doesn't know what the hell its trying to do. Yet the whiners on LGW seem to have it all figured out b/c they are so goddamned smart.

I'm not buying it. Not yet anyway.

[hockeybill 1]

Physics........look where Hudlers head is. His chin is about where the number 1 in 13 is on Brown's sleeve when they made contact. I doubt Brown could bring the butt end of his stick that high with Juri's chin there........and he certainly didn't get him with his elbow. I thought the worst when I seen this on tv, until I watch the CBC replay from this angle on youtube (

). Look at about the 9 second mark.

Keep up the whining and Kronwall will get suspended for a good hit like this at center ice, which you know is long overdue. How many times have you heard Mickey Redman say "Kids, never have you head down in the middle of the ice". Get over it...........you would say this was a great hit if Kronwall handed it out?

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Seriously? You've been here for 5 minutes. You have to earn the right to insult me.

Thankfully, i'm not easily insulted by peons.

It's fine; ignore the points I made in my post and just focus on my insult.

That's the way it works when you've got nothing, right?

[norrisnick 1]

Believing they are identical is pure homerism. But that's fine.

Believing they're entirely different is using some sort of bizarro definition of different that I've never heard of. But that's fine.

Guy dumps a puck in. It's 50' away. Gets blasted in the head by a 4th line plugger. Donald is a tad bit bigger and did more than superficial damage, but that's about it.

[norrisnick 1]

I will hold you to that. I was just out there 2 weeks ago. Well, not exactly there, but Hermosa beach.

For the record, I'm not saying that the league shouldn't try to do something about this nor am I saying they shouldn't make an effort to abolish these types of hits.

All I am saying is that as of this point the league doesn't seem to have a clear grasp of what or how they are going to accomplish this.

Is the league going to be the judge of intent? Is it going to make hits like Brian Campbell's and Brad Stuart's illegal?

I already posed this question and nobody picked up on it. Why? Because nobody knows what the f*** they are talking about. Seriously, what makes Brian Campbell's hit on Umberger a few years back any different than Brown's hit on Hudler? Because Umberger was receiving a pass instead of giving one? Campbell lined him up, Umberger had no idea he was there, it was a shoulder blow to the jaw/face area. So is this going to be a suspendable hit?

What about Brad Stuart? Umberger knew he was there but it was still a blow to the jaw. That is contact with the head. I don't know about most people but I don't skate standing up like a fecking pole. How are we going to prevent hits to the head? The only true answer is not to hit anybody in the middle of the ice. How is that going to be possible? What happens if the guy isn't bloodied and just pops back up and the refs missed it? Are they going to send tape to the league and suspend afterward?

It's one thing to ask players to respect each other enough not to target an unsuspecting person. It's another to try and penalize this kind of play out of hockey. This isn't the same as penalizing for leaving the bench during a fight. This has a far greater grey area.

Anyway, my point through all this is that Wings fans are a bunch of whiny ******* sometimes. Complaining about Brown not getting supsended and crying over spilt milk. The league doesn't even know how to handle this yet, they don't have a set criteria or standard they are using. In short, the league doesn't know what the hell its trying to do. Yet the whiners on LGW seem to have it all figured out b/c they are so goddamned smart.

I'm not buying it. Not yet anyway.

As it currently stands the league ignores headshots unless there is something else that makes it an illegal check (charging, elbowing, interference, etc...)

No one whines and cries more than you. You just do it about a bunch of irrelevent people on a message board.

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Believing they're entirely different is using some sort of bizarro definition of different that I've never heard of. But that's fine.

Guy dumps a puck in. It's 50' away. Gets blasted in the head by a 4th line plugger. Donald is a tad bit bigger and did more than superficial damage, but that's about it.

If you took your homer glasses off for enough time to compare the videos, there are subtle differences. Brashear was clearly head hunting. He recieved a hit he didn't like and looked for someone to deliver instant payback on. As he was hitting, he swung his arm in an upward motion. This was an obvious and blatant attempt to injure.

Mike Brown's hit on Hudler came in the flow of play. Brown already had him lined up while he still had the puck and was already skating towards him at high speed. Brown hit him hard enough that Jiri got cut from his own helmet. No massive elbow. No butt end. He got his clock cleaned. Not the first time he's been caught like that.

Of course... you know more than the league regarding what construes intent to injure. Must be another case of The Man trying to hold the Wings down. Right?

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If you took your homer glasses off for enough time to compare the videos, there are subtle differences. Brashear was clearly head hunting. He recieved a hit he didn't like and looked for someone to deliver instant payback on. As he was hitting, he swung his arm in an upward motion. This was an obvious and blatant attempt to injure.

Mike Brown's hit on Hudler came in the flow of play. Brown already had him lined up while he still had the puck and was already skating towards him at high speed. Brown hit him hard enough that Jiri got cut from his own helmet. No massive elbow. No butt end. He got his clock cleaned. Not the first time he's been caught like that.

Of course... you know more than the league regarding what construes intent to injure. Must be another case of The Man trying to hold the Wings down. Right?

Subtle differences is a far cry from entirely different. Glad you could hop off your hyperbole pony and join the conversation.

I don't disagree with the lack of suspension. I just don't see how Brashear gets 5 if Brown, Perry, and Eager get nothing.

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Subtle differences is a far cry from entirely different. Glad you could hop off your hyperbole pony and join the conversation.

I don't disagree with the lack of suspension. I just don't see how Brashear gets 5 if Brown, Perry, and Eager get nothing.

I'd say that it's because Brashear reacted instantly in an attempt to retaliate. On anybody close enough. He homed in on the puck carrier and made zero attempt to play the puck.

I know that there are rumblings that the Ducks were pissed because Hudler did this and Hudler did that, but Brown's hit wasn't an obvious attempt at retaliation. That's my best guess, anyway.

Edited May 3, 2009 by Broken 16

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I'd say that it's because Brashear reacted instantly in an attempt to retaliate. On anybody close enough. He homed in on the puck carrier and made zero attempt to play the puck.

I know that there are rumblings that the Ducks were pissed because Hudler did this and Hudler did that, but Brown's hit wasn't an obvious attempt at retaliation. That's my best guess, anyway.

And yet Brown got the biggest penalty on the ice.

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If you took your homer glasses off for enough time to compare the videos, there are subtle differences. Brashear was clearly head hunting. He recieved a hit he didn't like and looked for someone to deliver instant payback on. As he was hitting, he swung his arm in an upward motion. This was an obvious and blatant attempt to injure.

Mike Brown's hit on Hudler came in the flow of play. Brown already had him lined up while he still had the puck and was already skating towards him at high speed. Brown hit him hard enough that Jiri got cut from his own helmet. No massive elbow. No butt end. He got his clock cleaned. Not the first time he's been caught like that.

Of course... you know more than the league regarding what construes intent to injure. Must be another case of The Man trying to hold the Wings down. Right?

I've looked at them both side by side. You ignoring other opinions and explanations as homerism to justify your own makes you look like an ass. I respect your opinion, and I think the whole hit to the head thing is still muddy water. That said, not suspending Brown for at least a game goes against every precedent set this season with regards to head hunting.

Brashear hit: Betts dumps the puck, Brashear goes out of his way to lay a high blind-side hit to a guy without the puck.

Brown hit: Hudler dumps the puck, same time between release of the puck and unneccessary hit as in the Brashear situation, Brown goes out of his way to lay a high blind-side hit to a guy without the puck.

Watch the follow through of the arms and stick and tell me his motion isn't to aim high and target the head of a player who is in a vulnerable position. I understand the argument of the flow of play and he had him lined up, but there was plenty of time to pull up and even if he did want to finish his check, there are plenty less injury-intending ways to do so. The only difference in the situation is Brashear's track record and the damage to Betts. If Hudler has a concussion because of the targeting of the head, there would have been a suspension, and that isn't right.

Edited May 3, 2009 by b.shanafan14

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I've looked at them both side by side. You ignoring other opinion's as homerism to justify your own makes you look like a horse's ass. Hate when posters take the "nah nah nah I can't hear you! you are stupid! nah nah nah" approach to making a point. I respect your opinion, and I think the whole hit to the head thing is still muddy water. That said, not suspending Brown for at least a game goes against every precedent set this season with regards to head hunting.

Brashear hit: Betts dumps the puck, Brashear goes out of his way to lay a high blind-side hit to a guy without the puck.

Brown hit: Hudler dumps the puck, same time between release of the puck and unneccessary hit as in the Brashear situation, Brown goes out of his way to lay a high blind-side hit to a guy without the puck.

Watch the follow through of the arms and stick and tell me his motion isn't to aim high and target the head of a player who is in a vulnerable position. I understand the argument of the flow of play and he had him lined up, but there was plenty of time to pull up and even if he did want to finish his check, there are plenty less injury-intending ways to do so. The only difference in the situation is Brashear's track record and the damage to Betts. If Hudler has a concussion because of the targeting of the head, there would have been a suspension, and that isn't right.

It gets down to retaliation. Another thing, aside from head shots, that the league isn't particularly enthused with these days. Brashear lost his temper and retaliated. That retaliation ended up seriously injuring someone.

Seriously, these are apples and oranges.

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There was absolutely a difference between the Brown hit and Brashear's. Brown should've been suspended 1 or 2 games for the headshot. Brashear hunted someone who wasn't even in the play, and should have actually got it worse. However, the league didn't think Brown should've been suspended, the Wings scored on the major penalty which helped them win the game, Huds ended up coming back not long after that (start of the next period IIRC), which I'm sure factored in on the decision not to suspend Brown, so it's time to move on and get payback on the scoreboard in Game 2. Let's hope Huds gets a hat trick.

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And yet Brown got the biggest penalty on the ice.

Nobody ever said consistency was one of the NHL's strong points...

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Should not of even been a penalty. I hate to say it, Huds should learn to keep his head up, any player would relish catching a guy like that and he did not go for the head, plus the only reason huds was bloody was because of his visor cut him. Huge Wings fan but I'll admit when one of our players was just not paying attention and was laid out.

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There was absolutely a difference between the Brown hit and Brashear's. Brown should've been suspended 1 or 2 games for the headshot. Brashear hunted someone who wasn't even in the play, and should have actually got it worse. However, the league didn't think Brown should've been suspended, the Wings scored on the major penalty which helped them win the game, Huds ended up coming back not long after that (start of the next period IIRC), which I'm sure factored in on the decision not to suspend Brown, so it's time to move on and get payback on the scoreboard in Game 2. Let's hope Huds gets a hat trick.

Betts dumped the puck in. Same as Hudler.

[norrisnick 1]

Nobody ever said consistency was one of the NHL's strong points...

Colin's Wheel of Justice is the most shining example thereof.

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Betts dumped the puck in. Same as Hudler.

The puck was already dumped in, Brashear was in way after it happened and went even higher up on Betts than Brown did. Absolutely justified. I'm also assuming the rest of the post was accurate since it got no response.