WCSF GAME 3 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Ducks 2

[kylee 727]

even though the Wings didnt play their best playoff type hockey until around the later stages of the 2nd period, the fact that marian hossa scored a goal that didnt count, is just.... i dont know.

incredible.

[heed316 7]

So was it the puck that injured Wiz from Dats shot...or was it the elbow from Holmstrom that hurt him. I thought it was the shot, but people seem to be saying it was the elbow. The elbow didn't look like it hurt him to the extent that he is hurt now...

[Vladifan 680]

I dont know if im blind but there was no elbow at all. the replays on tsn show no elbow jst the puck hitting him in the side of the chest.

Well then that's two of us. I watched it three times. I did not see an elbow.

[Outsider 42]

Detroit is outplaying Ducks for 40 minutes and look really sharp in that 40 minutes. I don't doubt this team at all. With that said, they do need to work on the first 20 minute issue. If we play a complete 60 minutes, we can easily sweep them the rest of the series.

Wings in 6

With all due respect, MrSandMan:

I don't know what they're showing on TV, but if it looked like the Wings were "sharp" for 40 minutes, then what you saw on TV is not remotely close to what I saw from my seats.

The Wings were beat to every loose puck. They were terrible on face-offs. Their passing was ATROCIOUS. They were turning the puck over, left and right. One player in particular, (I'm NOT gonna mention any name/number), looked like he was REALLY hurting or DOGGIN' IT.

And for those who are wondering....

There is NO FARKING WAY the Wings fired 45 shots on Hiller. They are PADDING HIS STATS! Period. I personally counted at least 10 shots that were either going WAY wide, high, or hit something in front and never got through that they IMMEDIATELY put up on the scoreboard. It was a running joke amongst some folks in the section I was sitting in. "THAT was a shot on goal? That wasn't even CLOSE to the net."

Don't let the number of alleged shots fool you. They are not even remotely accurate.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Don't let the number of alleged shots fool you. They are not even remotely accurate.

And those that were on goal were mere logo-hunters from 30+ feet.

[Wingsallwin 0]

I really do not know what happened in the rest of period 2 and the whole period 3 because I made a class in late night with my English tuitor but it looks the Wings played another horrible game. I do not know what happened to the ref work but it sounds like the ref came up and screwed up the game. To tell you guys the truth, I am extremely mad at this point and do not know what to say because being down by 2-1 in the series is described in one word: C.R.A.P.

First of all, we really need Rafalski back to the line up and kick out CRAPPY CHELLIOS. He did not even clear the puck well and made all the horrible passing play which killed us in the game. As much as I like Nick and Ericsson defense pairs, but Rafalski has to be back. Our 3rd defensive pair has been somewhat garbage. Lebda and Chellios; the pair you will never feel comfortable to watch.

To add, we really have to feel the emergency now. If we fall behind the f***s by 3-1, we will never win the series. It is all upto our team's leadership groups. Nick, Hank, Pasha, and Babs have to do something with this. We just look lost every first period and second period or whatever time period the score we fall behind or being tied up. This is unacceptable. This is much like how the Wings played crappy hockey during the regular season. It is the PLAYOFF, what the hell the Wings are thinking right now?

Guess it more, I do not know what happened to our 5 on 5 playing. We scored most of our goals in the power play situation. This is too plain for the f***s to play against. Same thing happens then, they do not take any penalty and our offensive plays go down. Same thing repeats.

Most importantly, Babcock should not be in his hallucination anymore. He is ******* drunk out there, not changing any line combo. We have seen Hossa and Datsyuk's plays that they have zero chemistry as we saw Zetterberg and Hossa have zero chemistry each other too. All lines have been GARBAGE AND TRASH except for the 4th line which does not score but never disappoint the Wings. Besides, Babcock is ******* insane in love with Samuelsson. How the hell keep put Samuelsson in the Power Play units? Is he stupid? That is why he is not a candidate of Jack Adams Trophy? I got it then. f*** that. This is absolutely screwed up.

If we do not show up and let the f***s to take game 4, I am not going to watch game 5. This is freaking screwed up. GAME 4 IS MUST WIN. Losing another series to the f***s? It is not the Ducks are playing good; they do but we play s***ty hockey all over the ice.

[Vladifan 680]

It does. Blood is darker the more oxygenated it is.

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. The more oxygen, the brighter red it is.

[Outsider 42]

And those that were on goal were mere logo-hunters from 30+ feet.

You are FARKIN' A RIGHT ABOUT THAT!

What a joke. All of this talking up a guy who faced NOTHING all game. From the Top Offensive Team in the NHL.

Again. I was afraid of this.

God DAMNIT!

[marcaractac 3,963]

i watched the game at a bar, with no sound. why the hell didnt the tying goal count?!?!?! i was livid!!! and still am!!!

[Duck Guy 86]

Wisniewski was hit in the chest with a shot taken by Detroit center Pavel Datsyuk. No elbow.

but I am hearing he took a elbow from homer..I did not see the elbow just the shot

Wisniewski was diagnosed with a lung contusion.link

Edited May 6, 2009 by Duck Guy

[The_Cub 0]

Wings were outplayed early by the Ducks and outplayed late by the refs. Brutal.

[Matt 1,049]

Well, the Wings shouldn't have been in this position and the loss is very well deserved.

Babcock made no attempts to shake up the lineup besides putting one of our worst players Kopecky on the ice with 3 minutes to go. Why???? He lost us this game, not the refs.

While I agree that mixing up the lines occured pretty late, I'm sure Kopecky was out there because he wasn't gassed (the last power play) and they needed a body to go to the net. FWIW, he did *almost* have a decent scoring chance.

[Matt 1,049]

I feel like Ed Norton right now.

[Wingsallwin 0]

With all due respect, MrSandMan:

I don't know what they're showing on TV, but if it looked like the Wings were "sharp" for 40 minutes, then what you saw on TV is not remotely close to what I saw from my seats.

The Wings were beat to every loose puck. They were terrible on face-offs. Their passing was ATROCIOUS. They were turning the puck over, left and right. One player in particular, (I'm NOT gonna mention any name/number), looked like he was REALLY hurting or DOGGIN' IT.

And for those who are wondering....

There is NO FARKING WAY the Wings fired 45 shots on Hiller. They are PADDING HIS STATS! Period. I personally counted at least 10 shots that were either going WAY wide, high, or hit something in front and never got through that they IMMEDIATELY put up on the scoreboard. It was a running joke amongst some folks in the section I was sitting in. "THAT was a shot on goal? That wasn't even CLOSE to the net."

Don't let the number of alleged shots fool you. They are not even remotely accurate.

Having faith on this amount of talent at this point is absolutely dumb. Hossa's performance level is 4th liner and other guys have been garbage. The Ducks played awesome in the first period; neutralized all the Wings offensive plays by trap system. Cannot complain about that.

Besides, I agree with you that the number of shots on Hiller does not matter. Who the f*** cares if we fire 45 shots and scored only 1 from those many shots? Looking at the NUMBER OF CHANCES OVER THE NUMBER OF SHOTS. This is absolutely pathetic.

We did not lose game because we are not physical; we lost all keeping the puck battles on the corner of the ice.

[stormboy 47]

Anyone read the AP article out for the game so far...

Makes it seem like Holmstrom took his head off

unreal. there was an inadvertant elbow from homer, but that was NOT what took W off the ice. it was the shot that injured him. and homer did not "skate by" and elbow him. that is the worst description of that play. he was tied up with another anaheim d-man unaware that W was even there (probably) and an elbow came up in the battle for position. jesus christ.

My question remains the same: Why in the hell did they wait until the last two minutes of the game to try and stuff the puck down Hillers throat? How did they win game 1? Let's see...Franzen drove the net and Lidstrom pinched in, effectively driving the net. We had traffic in front of the goaltender the whole game.

I am not saying that the calls weren't wrong and didn't suck. Obviously, this game should have went into OT. As someone stated in an earlier post, Hossa drove the net and scored to legitimately make the game 2 - 2. I am just as pissed as everyone else and feel like the refs decided the game. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter as the team still lost the game.

Accept what you cannot change and take responsibility for what you can change. You can't change the refs and how they are going to call the game. If they are going to make s*** calls, then so be it. You have to play a 60 min game so you can weather those s*** calls, not show up for the last 25 min and call it your best effort.

see, again, i agree with you that if we played sixty minutes we probably would have won regardless of the call. but for me, that still in no way diminishes the fact that we scored and got screwed by the refs. yeah, you can argue that hossa should have had five goals in the first 50 minutes of the game and then none of this would have mattered. but it did matter. that goal, whether it comes at 1:20 of the first or 19:59 of the third is a legit goal that should be counted toward whatever the final score is. if hossa would have scored that goal at 1:20 of the first and it was waved off and we still lost 2-1, would you say we need to play better in the third instead of the first? obviously we want to score more goals, but we scored as many as they did, regardless of what time of the game they came at, and were denied ours. that's why i'm more pissed at the refs than i am the wings, though i agree wholeheartedly that the wings can and should play better than they did tonight.

Just got back from the Game.

I'm rather......speechless.

I was afraid this would happen.

Yes. The officiating was bad. Yes. The Wings were outright robbed of the GTG.

But the fact of the matter is, the didn't even show up until about midway through the 2nd period, anyway.

They may be able to get away with that against the Columbus Blue Jackets, but they are NOT going to get away with it against the Ducks.

And all that scrumming at the end of the Game?

Was juuuuuuuuust what the Duckies wanted. Now they know, for certain, that they have the Wings RIGHT where they want them.

Gut check time, folks.

<sigh>

again, this argument is predicated on the assumption that hossa's goal didn't count. how would our half-effort have not cut it against the ducks? it would have been a tie game going into OT. granted, they are just as likely to win it at that point, but we'll never know. there's no reason to say that our effort tonight (lax though it was) would NOT (with emphasis) be enough to beat the ducks. we'll never know if it would have been enough to beat them because we tied it up and got screwed by a call. what if hossa's goal counts and we win it in OT? then this effort WOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO BEAT THE DUCKS, contrary to what you're saying. however, we'll never get to know if that was or wasn't the case because of the BS officiating.

So was it the puck that injured Wiz from Dats shot...or was it the elbow from Holmstrom that hurt him. I thought it was the shot, but people seem to be saying it was the elbow. The elbow didn't look like it hurt him to the extent that he is hurt now...

he got an elbow, but that was not what injured him. it was the shot. they happened on the same play but it was clear from the replay that he was badly hurt after the shot and the elbow just happened to come at the end of the play, at which point he collapsed.

[Duck Guy 86]

elbow at 1:08

[rcTycoon 0]

Holmstrom stepped on Neidermeyer's stick infront of the net and fell slightly catching his balance and in the process elbowed Wizzzz, who was behind him at the time. Holmstrom had no way of knowing he was there and certainly didn't intend on doing it.

Not to mention, Wizzz was already hurt from Datsyuk's shot but got back up and then got elbowed in the face, hence bloody mouth.

[Duck Guy 86]

Holmstrom stepped on Neidermeyer's stick infront of the net and fell slightly catching his balance and in the process elbowed Wizzzz, who was behind him at the time. Holmstrom had no way of knowing he was there and certainly didn't intend on doing it.

Not to mention, Wizzz was already hurt from Datsyuk's shot but got back up and then got elbowed in the face, hence bloody mouth.

agreed elbow did not look intentional

Edited May 6, 2009 by Duck Guy

[stormboy 47]

elbow at 1:08

no one's saying he didn't get elbowed, but that's not what caused the injury. the only way you'd need a stretcher from an elbow is if it broke your neck, which it obviously didn't. and while an inadvertent elbow might be just as penalty-worthy as an accidental high-stick, there was clearly no intent to injure and indeed no injury as the injury was caused by the shot to the chest.

[Reilly 24]

Hopefully Hossa and Rafalski return for Game 4.

[Duck Guy 86]

Ya the shot to the chest is what hurt him.

[heed316 7]

"He took a pretty good elbow after the fact, too,†Anaheim coach Randy Carlyle said. “The puck shot to the upper chest area was enough but when you’re huddled over and somebody gives you a good, stiff elbow to the chin, it’s a little bit surprising."

...*sigh*

btw, does anyone know what exactly are the ramifications of a 'chest contusion'? Is he done, day to day, or what?

Edited May 6, 2009 by heed316

[Duck Guy 86]

"He took a pretty good elbow after the fact, too,†Anaheim coach Randy Carlyle said. “The puck shot to the upper chest area was enough but when you’re huddled over and somebody gives you a good, stiff elbow to the chin, it’s a little bit surprising."

...*sigh*

btw, does anyone know what exactly are the ramifications of a 'chest contusion'? Is he done, day to day, or what?

depends on how serious it is.. does not sound 2 series how they worded on nhl.com... The severity ranges from mild to deadly... thats all i got from wikipedia hehe.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Duck Guy

[NHLrules? 32]

"He took a pretty good elbow after the fact, too,†Anaheim coach Randy Carlyle said. “The puck shot to the upper chest area was enough but when you’re huddled over and somebody gives you a good, stiff elbow to the chin, it’s a little bit surprising."

...*sigh*

btw, does anyone know what exactly are the ramifications of a 'chest contusion'? Is he done, day to day, or what?

Looked pretty serious to just be a chest contusion. He looked pretty pale and was bleeding from the mouth pretty good. I gotta think hes out next game if not for the series.

Who knows though, maybe he has a bruise and just bit his tongue when the elbow caught him.

[Yak19 303]

I expect Holmer to get suspended because then at least the nhl would be consistent with how they are jobbing us. Leino in for Holmer, i would actually not mind at all.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Yak19