Reviewability of the calls?

[Superted 0]

I know we're all still emotional about that call, and I'm sure the topic title will piss some off, but once it settles consider this:

The bad call will light a fire under the Wings. oh THEY WILL BE PISSED. Game 4 should see them coming out with mysterious red eyes and visible smoke coming out the nostrils. Even if we lost without the bad call, the intensity they'd produce would be immense, but consider the extra incentive now....

The other good thing about the shoddy call is that if we do eventually lose the series, we have a decent excuse

The call is done. Move on. Game 4....get it done.

[T.OWingsFan 7]

Man are u frakking dumb? That call and that Son of a Bit** gave the quacks a 2-1 advantage in the series.

Are you dense? Is that good?

[Ms_Hockey 0]

It should also give us a few calls in our favor next game.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Man are u frakking dumb? That call and that Son of a Bit** gave the quacks a 2-1 advantage in the series.

Are you dense? Is that good?

It's really not that difficult to grasp what he's saying. The call sucked, but there's nothing anybody can do to change it now. The Wings are going to be royally pissed and feel like they have something to prove.

End result? Intense team and more calls going our way to make up for the blatant horrible one.

[Guest Shoreline]

I hope they're pissed. If anything they should be pissed at their own inability to score or crash the net as needed. Now, as for being pissed at the refs, is it the refs fault the Wings didn't convert on more of their opportunities, including other power plays? Is it the refs fault the Wings only played handfuls of minutes of the entire game?

[T.OWingsFan 7]

It should also give us a few calls in our favor next game.

Understand this. What happend there cannot be undone by some stupid power plays in game 4. Can't.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Understand this. What happend there cannot be undone by some stupid power plays in game 4. Can't.

I'm not saying it can be.. but I'll certainly take the power plays which we'll (most likely) be handed in mass amounts.

[rcTycoon 0]

I disagree, we have a coach who doesn't believe in changing anything and a team who seems more concerned with long walks on the beach and playing soccer.

The ducks want to win and they're doing whatever it takes to get it done. Know how I know the Wings are going to lose this series? Because the following shift after Neidermeyer ran Osgood and scored, Hiller wasn't on his back on the ice without a helmet.

This team has no passion...

[Reds4Life 51]

I hope they're pissed. If anything they should be pissed at their own inability to score or crash the net as needed. Now, as for being pissed at the refs, is it the refs fault the Wings didn't convert on more of their opportunities, including other power plays? Is it the refs fault the Wings only played handfuls of minutes of the entire game?

Totally agree. Unfortunately, I do not think that call will make any difference, Wings lost last game in triple OT and yet they sucked big time in the first half of the game. Winning 3 of 4 possible games against this Ducks team is going to be extremly tough and we can only hope Rafalski is back and Wings actually show 100% effort for full 60 minutes.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Reds4Life

[soultrain 43]

goes to show the nhl pulls out the stops when you play the wings. they let the ducks get away with all kinds a s*** hacks and slashes. the officials won't give us s***. i hope they understand that in the locker room

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I hope they're pissed. If anything they should be pissed at their own inability to score or crash the net as needed. Now, as for being pissed at the refs, is it the refs fault the Wings didn't convert on more of their opportunities, including other power plays? Is it the refs fault the Wings only played handfuls of minutes of the entire game?

While I agree that you are always at risk of putting yourself at the mercy of incompetents when you're in situations like this, I don't believe in teams "deserving" to win games or anything like that. The team with the most goals wins, and that game was a tie.

[Outsider 42]

I hope they're pissed. If anything they should be pissed at their own disinterest in crashing the net to score as needed. Now, as for being pissed at the refs, is it the refs fault the Wings didn't convert on more of their opportunities, including other power plays? Is it the refs fault the Wings only played handfuls of minutes of the entire game?

Agreed 100%, but with the above changes.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

I'm not saying it can be.. but I'll certainly take the power plays which we'll (most likely) be handed in mass amounts.

At the dizzying height of my rage (like, an hour ago) I suggested as much, but I've not found any compelling precedent for a blown call in one game (even as one as massive as this) to be cause for favoritism in the next.

Nothing shocking here, but the Wings are just going to have to man up and play better.

[Guest Shoreline]

While I agree that you are always at risk of putting yourself at the mercy of incompetents when you're in situations like this, I don't believe in teams "deserving" to win games or anything like that. The team with the most goals wins, and that game was a tie.

True enough. Wings converting on their opportunities (and there were many, despite the barrage of lame shots) would have also made the game a tie, or better. Blaming the refs though is quite simply the easy way out. They know the Ducks have been one step ahead of them, skating better, having more energy, and wanting to win more than the Wings do.

It takes a team playing good to get their breaks, and the Ducks have simply earned theirs.

[sean 19]

The wings have yet to play an important game all year. They know that thursday is the first one; I'm interested to see how they react.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Blaming the refs though is quite simply the easy way out.

Yes, the Wings could have converted on their chances anywhere down the line, and they didn't. What they did do was score late, but it was still taken away from them -- I feel no need to absolve the refs of their errors any more than anyone else.

It takes a team playing good to get their breaks, and the Ducks have simply earned theirs.

Sometimes that's the case, and other times you get a cheap call against you in the final minute, and they get a fluke deflection up into your net to tie the game, and then you lose in overtime. We've had this song and dance with the Ducks before, but lady luck hasn't smiled on the Wings yet.

[Outsider 42]

Yes, the Wings could have converted on their chances anywhere down the line, and they didn't. What they did do was score late, but it was still taken away from them -- I feel no need to absolve the refs of their errors any more than anyone else.

Sometimes that's the case, and other times you get a cheap call against you in the final minute, and they get a fluke deflection up into your net to tie the game, and then you lose in overtime. We've had this song and dance with the Ducks before, but lady luck hasn't smiled on the Wings yet.

Hopefully she'll turn a less baleful eye our way. Soon.

Not gonna hold my breath, though. It's not lookin' good...

[Statts 4]

The BAD call cost us the game... thats not good for us.

EDIT: what T.OWingsfan said

Edited May 6, 2009 by Statts

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

Well damn, I wish that rule applied to laws in the real world. Officer, It's not stealing, I INTENDED to pay for it later...therefore you cannot arrest me.

Basically, if a ref REALLY hated a team *cough* ohalloran *cough* , he could purposely cost them a game tying, or game winning or any other important goal by saying Nope, I THOUGHT about blowing the whistle...just didn't get a chance to do it yet. Makes NO ******* sense

Edited May 6, 2009 by XxGoWingsxX

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

I'm just so irritated by this is all. I bet if that whistle was bettman's dick he wouldn't have to even INTEND to put it in his mouth before doing it.

[Superted 0]

Apologies on the topic title....it should really read "the bad call WILL BE good for us"

Of course the bad call is not good right now...we'd be potentially leading the series! But the point is... at least there is a smidgen of positive to come out of this whole piece of crapola.

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

Ok here are my thoughts after seeing the replay a few times over.....

I understand that the rule is what it is and the play was dead, but how does a group of 4 officials let one guy make the call on his own? In hockey when your reffing you have a partner(s) for a reason. I have been doing games for 12 yrs now and can remember instances where I was in a similar spot as Watson was and having a play like that happen and then asking my partner(s) if they had a better look at it than I did from where they were standing. 3 other game officials are standing on the ice in that instance and I'm pretty sure atleast 2 of them were looking directly at the puck from the side of the rink that the puck went to once it skipped under Hiller. This past year even I have done some games in a similar fashion that the NHL uses with 2 refs, 2 linesman (USA Hockey is trying the experiment for higher level games) and I know for a fact where the other ref was standing and what he saw. If I were him I would have gone over to my partner and given him my interpretation of what took place as well as asking the linesman on that same side of the ice if he saw he same thing. Bottom line is in this case was that Watson failed to use any kind of COMMON SENSE.

Now this does not take anything away from the fact that the Wings came out playing a bit lackluster, but when a call of that magnitude gets made without any COMMON SENSE then I can just see how the Officials committee is gonna see that and prolly do this to Watson's name on the list...

BRAD WATSON

That is my take on the whole situation

Have a good night everyone

p.s. If anyone wants to see some analysis of the call then here is a video from TSN...James Duthie took the words right out of my mouth when he mentions COMMON SENSE...

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip168978#clip168978

Thats it. Black and white..cut and dry...COMMON SENSE. The NHL has these rules in place....I HONESTLY believe now that those rules are made up for situations like this...it causes a stir.

[pucker4fischer 0]

Despite the s***ty waived off goal, we can all agree that the Wings needed to have played better from the start. Say what you want but the previous marathon 3OT loss, that is draining and had effect on the first couple periods. I'm kind of glad in a silverlining way that the game didn't go to overtime AND for it to turn into a loss. We haven't faired well in OT with the ducks and another loss to them in OT would be really deflating. OVERALL I'm just saying 2 OT losses in a row would be devistating. I would take a wings OT win anyday of the week.

Instead the wings come into game 4 refreshed with a chip on their shoulder and can play like they want to win it. Wings need a little adversity...can't have the cup handed to them.

Maybe a piss poor silverlining but...its what is getting me through. Can't change the past.

If the series comes down to that NO GOAL --- I will feel dead inside.

[Jocke 53]

Whatever, we would have lost in OT anyway..

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

Whatever, we would have lost in OT anyway..

Doubtful. We OWNED them the entire 3rd period. The momentum was on our side and had that goal counted the momentum would have shifted towards us even more.