Babs responds to waved-off goal in Game 3

[Donaldjr2448 43]

Ok, I for one have not been a big fan of the "new NHL" in fact I'm not sure what the New NHL is exactly! The officiating has been bad on both sides, but I refuse to blame lastnights game on the refs. We had 3 Powerplay chances in the third period alone to not only tie the game, but win the damn game! The Redwings powerplay going 1 for 7 and 1 for whatever in the series is the reason we are down 2-1 in the series! As a matter of fact we are lucky we are not down 3-0 in the series!! If everyone wants to put the blame on the refs, then all that is doing is covering up for the s*** way we have been playing, many of you on the site have said that and I want to second that! Alot of people piss and moan when other teams complain about the refs cheating for the Wings, so I don't like when I see our people on our board doing the same exact thing!

Our star player need to be our star players. Datsyuk=6 million a year, Zetterberg=6 million a year, Hossa= 7 million a year, Flipper = 4million a year, these guys need to step up or step out of the way and let guys like Leino and Helmer and other do the job that they cannot seem to get motivated for!! (I know that my money figures are probably not correct, but you get my point).

We'll see just what kind of Championship Heart we have tomorrow night at the Pond!!!

[Donaldjr2448 43]

Could anyone clarify for me the F.... rule. The puck clearly got into the net a second before the moron blew his whistle. Does the rule say that even if referee blows the whistle a minute after the puck crossed the line it is still not a goal?

Thanks.

Actually the Whistle never needs to sound, its the intent by the ref on the call, once he decides to blow the play dead, its dead! They changed that rule a couple of years ago. The NHL use to review that, but not anymore!

[thedisappearer 291]

Actually the Whistle never needs to sound, its the intent by the ref on the call, once he decides to blow the play dead, its dead! They changed that rule a couple of years ago. The NHL use to review that, but not anymore!

God that's a s***ty rule. Saying "I wanted to" is valid.

[NHLrules? 32]

Actually the Whistle never needs to sound, its the intent by the ref on the call, once he decides to blow the play dead, its dead! They changed that rule a couple of years ago. The NHL use to review that, but not anymore!

Ahh nothing like moving the sport back 20 years.

Why have a replay system at all?

[Kira 451]

Dear Game 4 referees,

If you are so insistent on screwing us, the least you can do is provide some kind of lubricant first.

[Opie 308]

Dear Game 4 referees,

If you are so insistent on screwing us, the least you can do is provide some kind of lubricant first.

To borrow a line from Everlast and House of Pain:

If you want to Fu(6 me first you gotta kiss me!

[talex 1]

Ok, I for one have not been a big fan of the "new NHL" in fact I'm not sure what the New NHL is exactly! The officiating has been bad on both sides, but I refuse to blame lastnights game on the refs. We had 3 Powerplay chances in the third period alone to not only tie the game, but win the damn game! The Redwings powerplay going 1 for 7 and 1 for whatever in the series is the reason we are down 2-1 in the series! As a matter of fact we are lucky we are not down 3-0 in the series!! If everyone wants to put the blame on the refs, then all that is doing is covering up for the s*** way we have been playing, many of you on the site have said that and I want to second that! Alot of people piss and moan when other teams complain about the refs cheating for the Wings, so I don't like when I see our people on our board doing the same exact thing!

Our star player need to be our star players. Datsyuk=6 million a year, Zetterberg=6 million a year, Hossa= 7 million a year, Flipper = 4million a year, these guys need to step up or step out of the way and let guys like Leino and Helmer and other do the job that they cannot seem to get motivated for!! (I know that my money figures are probably not correct, but you get my point).

We'll see just what kind of Championship Heart we have tomorrow night at the Pond!!!

You may choose not to blame the refs, I do not fully blame the refs, however the game is meant to be competitive. 10 power plays without scoring does not matter if when they score it does not count. The bottom line is the refs very well could have cost the wings the game, can you dwell on it? no but it does not change what happened. Both teams play hard, some have better periods than others and when either team steps up and takes advantage and scores it should not be negated, it is a travesty for a decision like that to cost the game.

I again say especially in light of this call that there should be a rule in the NHL for no-goal calls, goalie interference calls where the coach could challenge a ruling on ice, if he wings the goal/penalty is awarded in his favor, if he looses the opposing team gets a power play, simple elegant solution to this problem.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Reffing was indeed TERRIBLE in all the games & game 3 especially. The no goal call and Stuart's penalty for the wings were bad calls. On the other hand the wings have had a TON of calls/ no calls in their favor. Chelios obviously diving in the third, Kronwall leaving his feet and elbowing Carter in the Face, Brown being ejected and a 5 minute major on a clean hit, Franzen running Hiller, Homer's elbow to Wiz, etc...

Obviously there's a little bit of disagreement on what a clean hit entails, even inside your own head.....if a "clean hit" entails leaving your feet to hit a guy in the head, then I don't see where you have a problem with anything Kronwall does.

[ducks4cup 0]

Obviously there's a little bit of disagreement on what a clean hit entails, even inside your own head.....if a "clean hit" entails leaving your feet to hit a guy in the head, then I don't see where you have a problem with anything Kronwall does.

Brown didn't leave his feet untill contact was made, besides even if "leaving" your feet pre-hit is ok in your book. Kronwall still got his elbow up and broke Carter's nose. Not to mention you didn't speak a word of any of the other calls/ no calls I referenced. Let's just agree the officiating has been horrid. Wing's fans will argue it has been worse for them & ducks fan's will argue it is worse for them.

[ducks4cup 0]

Dear Game 4 referees,

If you are so insistent on screwing us, the least you can do is provide some kind of lubricant first.

It's wasn't just the wings that were screwed by the refs. Both teams had horrible officiating against them.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

In my opinion, there should be some sort of "Referee Error Clause" written into the rulebook to be used in extraordinary circumstances. Meaning that; when a goal is scored, but negated because of referee error, it would be reviewable via instant replay from Toronto. This could be used in conjunction with some sort of "challenge flag", similar to what is used in the NHL, including a penalty if the challenge proves to be incorrect.

The nightmare scenario for the situation as it still stands is if it happens in the Stanley Cup finals in game 7 overtime.

[steveyzerman 0]

Ref's are instructed to blow the whistle when they lose sight of the puck. According to the rule book the play is dead when the ref decides to blow the whistle (NOTE: the book even says the play can be dead before the whistle is heard if the ref has already decided to blow the whistle). The whistle blew the play was dead. No goal. Now like I said, had the ref not lost sight of the puck it should have/ would have been a good goal. Same thing happened in game 1 of this series on a Parros no goal call. Game one was also a one goal game so it could be argued that that call was just as important as this one. See my point.

Ohhh and way to be respectful to someone who was respectful in their first post. And... if you want to get really technical about it watch the replay. Getzlaf was OBVIOSULY tripped behind the play before the "goal". Should have been a delayed penalty ---> Detroit player touches puck ------> play is dead ----> no goal.

Actually, I think Hossa hit Pronger's stick that hit the puck into the net. So ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> count it.

Oh.

& this whole "intent" to blow the whistle thing is bulls***. Worst rule in all of sports. If you take the "intent" out. These types of plays are cut & dry; did the whistle go first?

Edited May 7, 2009 by steveyzerman

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Posted this more/less in one of the similar threads but I'll rehash.

Firstly? Do I think the call was utter crap? Without question. When your coach is still fuming well after a game, as well as an opposing coach saying they caught a big break, you know that a call was pretty much in the wrong.

Do I blame the ref for making the call? No. It is the current rule. Yes, it sucks without question for us and was the wrong call. I've been a sports official before, granted at much lower levels in just collegiate intramural leagues in soccer and basketball and there is just so much you got to keep track of and the action is still very fast, pretty much every call or no-call you make is just heat of the moment gut reaction, so quick and fast. People/refs are going to make errors. I sure made my fair share of terrible calls/no-calls So with that thought in mind, I'm not going to start a parade to roast the ref's head here.

What pisses me off is not even so much the ruling, but that stuff like this isn't reviewable. Intent to blow the whistle, phantom interference calls waiving off goals, "net" goals like what both happened against Detroit and San Jose in regular season games, how these things aren't reviewable when other types of goals are is beyond me.

I'm not just saying this being a bitter Wings fan after this loss. Throw any other team name in there and I'm going to say that they got shafted, even the Ducks this series if it happened to them. And we could play armchair quarterback on reasons why the Wings lost that game, and it wasn't just because of this call. But it is a damned shame that this blown call had a very large outcome on the result of this game.

[Opie 308]

Posted this more/less in one of the similar threads but I'll rehash.

Firstly? Do I think the call was utter crap? Without question. When your coach is still fuming well after a game, as well as an opposing coach saying they caught a big break, you know that a call was pretty much in the wrong.

Do I blame the ref for making the call? No. It is the current rule. Yes, it sucks without question for us and was the wrong call. I've been a sports official before, granted at much lower levels in just collegiate intramural leagues in soccer and basketball and there is just so much you got to keep track of and the action is still very fast, pretty much every call or no-call you make is just heat of the moment gut reaction, so quick and fast. People/refs are going to make errors. I sure made my fair share of terrible calls/no-calls So with that thought in mind, I'm not going to start a parade to roast the ref's head here.

What pisses me off is not even so much the ruling, but that stuff like this isn't reviewable. Intent to blow the whistle, phantom interference calls waiving off goals, "net" goals like what both happened against Detroit and San Jose in regular season games, how these things aren't reviewable when other types of goals are is beyond me.

I'm not just saying this being a bitter Wings fan after this loss. Throw any other team name in there and I'm going to say that they got shafted, even the Ducks this series if it happened to them. And we could play armchair quarterback on reasons why the Wings lost that game, and it wasn't just because of this call. But it is a damned shame that this blown call had a very large outcome on the result of this game.

I think had this been the winning goal instead of tying I think there would be less backlash, same to be said if the Wings are down 2 and net this one, I think because it was the last gasp effort and it tied the game the importance and backlash are both magnified.

I think at too many levels Refs are allowed to referee too long. Like the athletes in the NHL the refs should also be in their prime, all sports for that matter.

For the reasons you mentioned the game is too fast for most 40 year olds let alone guys reffing into their 50-60.

I don't want to hear about ageism unless you are saying Yzerman, Hullie, and every other player besides Cheli and Howe is ageism as well. The players have a short career length, why should the refs have an unlimited one. Age will slow reaction time and thus lead to being out of position thus leading to bad or mistaken calls.

Now as for this goal age had nothing to do with it, he was just flat out in the wrong position and made the correct (albeit horrible) call! Had he been behind the net, or on top of it like many officials do, he would not have blown it dead, he couldn't have.

As far as the Stuart hit, I blame that on the "The Ducks are so dirty we can't call all of them, and we need to make the game look even call some on the other team" theory. BTW insert whatever name in the place of Ducks you want, Flyers, Shaq, etc...