Will we get bigger and meaner?

[ben_usmc 253]

Now THAT I can get completely behind you on. It would be nice to have more desperation out of the bottom 6 like Helm is showing. But like Helm, you don't need an enforcer to be the guy out there playing hard... you need a guy playing hard, whether he is big/small/NA/Euro/whatever. Playing with energy does not equal dropping the gloves.

I suppose I was essantially saying meaner=more aggresive. If we had bottom 6 full of Helms we would be great.

[FunkedUp 29]

you aren't going to find a Lucic everyday, but how about Maltby/Draper/and a 5th rounder for Lucic

Are you serious? The Bruins would be fools to let Lucic go, especially for that proposition.

[Guest micah]

I'm not just talking about an enforcer, just some meaner sons a ******* out there. Imagine having like 2 Drakes out there, I mean pepper a little bit more hate in there. Like I said though I think they are going that way, when replacing Draper=Helm who is a wrecking ball, Maltby=Abby who seemed in the AHL anyway to have an edge, we just need a few more. Granted you aren't going to find a Lucic everyday, but how about Maltby/Draper/and a 5th rounder for Lucic

I don't think anyone really wants Maltby or Draper anymore. If we could go Malts and Drapes and a 5th for Lucic, I HOPE Kenny would have been all over it.

Frankly, I think the Wings would be wise to start changing their attitude. Yes, they aren't huge hulkin me, but niether were PJ Stock or Tie Domi or stan Jonathan. Teach the existing guys to play with some heart, teach them to quit leading with their face when they do fight, and put 1 or 2 guys on the squad who set an example by taking no s*** from anyone.

[ManLuv4Clears 7]

This question was brought up a few years back with management, and they went and traded for a guy named Shanahan.

[egroen 384]

There's no question Maltby and Draper are taking up spots that could and probably would go to more of a mucker type. But it is also no question that Holland will not get rid of them until their contracts run out.

[ben_usmc 253]

Are you serious? The Bruins would be fools to let Lucic go, especially for that proposition.

I don't think anyone really wants Maltby or Draper anymore. If we could go Malts and Drapes and a 5th for Lucic, I HOPE Kenny would have been all over it.

Frankly, I think the Wings would be wise to start changing their attitude. Yes, they aren't huge hulkin me, but niether were PJ Stock or Tie Domi or stan Jonathan. Teach the existing guys to play with some heart, teach them to quit leading with their face when they do fight, and put 1 or 2 guys on the squad who set an example by taking no s*** from anyone.

you can't possibly think I'm serious about that trade. Also I agree with the Domi statements, lastly it's not so much the leading in the fight, it's the unwilling to throw a punch. When you just stand there and take it your bound to get f***ed up. Even if your swinging and missing your not giving the opponent much time to put power behind his shots. (generally speaking)

[egroen 384]

Tie Domi was a freak of nature. 5'10, 210+ lbs and strong as an oxe - yet could actually still play the game (though not towards the end of his career).

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

Here is my 0.02$

We'll slowly become a grittier team.. sadly. its slowly and not quickly but w/e i'll take it.

They've drafted Oslund,Abdelkader,Johnston and Cayer. All have an edgy side, and all are later round picks. I believe Detroit is trying to groom future power forwards. So far Oslund seems to be the only player who isn't panning out to be a PWF. Another Tardif type player possibly though?

But since we dont have the cap room to get tougher, i think if anything does happen to us, it's be in terms of 1 man toughness.. and since 2 legit HW enforcers are heading to FA this year. Colton Orr and Donald Brashear, Both could really benefit from a change to the Western division. and tbh, Colton and Brash can play a solid game, They might not have the feet, but they have impacts on games and actually have a pretty resonable skill set, unlike downs.

With Ericsson,Lilja,Stuart on D we have gotten considerably bigger. Offensivly depending on who leaves will depend on how much tougher we get. If hossa leaves im guessing we wont see Justin. If Hossa stays there is a better chance we see him. But hopefully Kenny takes a look at the 2 heavies from the east regardless.

Kind of bummed to see that Cleary and Lilja wont be fighting anymore, You know there injuries will make them super hesitant, same with Kopecky.

I dont see us trading anyone, unless someone is interested in Meech or Lebda. and even then i cant see us getting much value out of them. Forwards i cant see us trading anyone either, So our cap situation will be in limbo until we know what is going to happen with Hossa,Hudler and Sammy.

[ben_usmc 253]

I would really like to have Orr he isn't great but he is a serviceable player and a good fighter. Brashear is a straight goon, take it for what it's worth, he is a true enforcer; in the sense he doesn't care who it is I will f' them up if they do something to my team.

[Cern 0]

He would have played hard from the opening of the game.

And if he inevitably got in a fight, got injured, and is out too, then what?

I keep saying it, having a single Downey - f***, two Downies - playing five minutes a game on the roster isn't going to magically make the Wings go 16-0 and it isn't magically going to make players score hat tricks left and right. Games 4 and 5 already proved that you don't need the Hanson brothers as a 4th line to make pucks go in the net, even against the Ducks. Deferring blame to the lack of one enforcer on the ice is shallow, the Wings have been dominating puck possession even in their bad games, what needs to be fixed is the kind of shots they're making with that possession. Having one guy skating around gooning it up doesn't exonerate the top 6 from not crashing the net, that's something THEY need to take responsibility for.

That's something you can always count on from a tough guy battling for a roster spot, as opposed to some euro who knows that his roster spot is clinched already.

So we SHOULDN'T have anyone in our top two lines out on the ice? I'm sure that will do wonders for our offense.

[Pavrik Zettersyuk 4]

Detroit needs to pass better and keep themselves upright, they were falling down a lot in game 6 on what didn't appear to be trips, holds or hooks, but I could be wrong.

[Rocket Queen 30 1]

doubtful. we really don't need it....

[mjlegend 155]

This question was brought up a few years back with management, and they went and traded for a guy named Shanahan.

Back in the non-cap days, that was a possible move. Add in the fact that he really wanted out of Hartford, so the Whalers' hands were kind of tied and that made it somewhat easier to acquire him. I DARE you to find another player like the 1996-97 Shanahan currently in the NHL: 46 goals and 131 penalty minutes. That kind of player simply doesn't exist anymore. Backes and Hartnell are the only ones whose numbers are close. Getzlaf is too much of a playmaker and not enough of a shooter. He's also untouchable on the Anaheim roster. Even in a non-cap world, there's no way they let him go for what would amount to Rafalski and a pick.

So we're all basically just pining for the days when the 1997 Wings dressed players who don't exist in 2009. Gotcha.

I wouldn't be averse to picking up another Dallas Drake-type in place of one of our wingers next year, because I do think the Wings have stuck to close to the periphery this round, but I have no idea who that would be. Maybe sign Bill Guerin for a discount of 1 year/$3 million?

Honestly, I like the fact that Kenny's in control of this team and not me.

[Firehawk 305]

An enforcer woulda taken a hard skating, skilled player out of the lineup. Why is this board so damn wishy washy. Read some of the comments about the wings in the GDT yesterday and you'd think the Wings were one of the worst teams in the league. Contrast that with the GDT from Game 4 or 5...unbelievable.

Look, for whatever reason, the wings didn't show up as a whole yesterday. That will change in Game 7.

[xBrave_Heartx 0]

An enforcer woulda taken a hard skating, skilled player out of the lineup. Why is this board so damn wishy washy. Read some of the comments about the wings in the GDT yesterday and you'd think the Wings were one of the worst teams in the league. Contrast that with the GDT from Game 4 or 5...unbelievable.

Look, for whatever reason, the wings didn't show up as a whole yesterday. That will change in Game 7.

Because moments in yesterdays game, we did look like the islanders.

[Firehawk 305]

Because moments in yesterdays game, we did look like the islanders.

IN YESTERDAY'S GAME!!!!!!!! Look at the larger picture, come on.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

An enforcer woulda taken a hard skating, skilled player out of the lineup. Why is this board so damn wishy washy. Read some of the comments about the wings in the GDT yesterday and you'd think the Wings were one of the worst teams in the league. Contrast that with the GDT from Game 4 or 5...unbelievable.

Look, for whatever reason, the wings didn't show up as a whole yesterday. That will change in Game 7.

I hope your'e not referring to Maltby or Kopecky with that description.