ECF Game #3 GDT

[dat's sick 1,002]

Wow, the Canes can't do anything right in their own zone. They're out of gas, Cam Ward is falling apart.

Pens for the sweep.

[Outsider 42]

I'm not so sure about that. I know the Wings PK has been an issue all season and all playoffs, but in the playoffs, it seems like the Wings are fundamentally sound and dangerous offensively on their PK. I know the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming, but it seems like every PP goal we give up it's: Control, control, clear, control, clear, one shot... GOAL!!!

I obviously haven't been watching the same games that you've been watching.

I've noted a decide LACK OF ABILITY TO CLEAR THE ZONE, despite NUMEROUS opportunities, while both shorthanded, AND at even strength.

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

The Eastern Conference is a complete joke. There's no depth in that conference at all. Pens are making it look easy.

[Outsider 42]

LOL....

And the Canes are former Cup Winners, too.

And meanwhile, the Wings have been taken right down to the wire in the last two Games by a bunch of KIDS.

I hope they're watching this Game today.

And I hope they're downright embarrassed.

Maybe that'll get them to show up for Game 4 for the full 60 minutes.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Outsider

[tdinc 45]

Complete collapse

[Broken 16 381]

I obviously haven't been watching the same games that you've been watching.

I've noted a decide LACK OF ABILITY TO CLEAR THE ZONE, despite NUMEROUS opportunities, while both shorthanded, AND at even strength.

I guess. I don't know. I just have a feeling that we'll own the Penguins PP unit if we end up meeting. No basis... just a gut feeling.

[Outsider 42]

I guess. I don't know. I just have a feeling that we'll own the Penguins PP unit if we end up meeting. No basis... just a gut feeling.

LOL

I recall you had a "gut feeling" about who the Wings should Start in net this Post Season, too....

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Tell you what....

IF the Wings advance, (and that's no guarantee with the way they've been (not)starting games all Post Season long), and IF the Pens advance, the Wings will be SHREDDED by the Pens PP. Especially without Datsyuk and Draper. (And yes....I'm assuming that Dats has a broken foot, and could be "done", as I'm thinking worst case scenario....).

This is not good news for the Wings.

The Pens may finish their series early and rest, while the series against Chicago may go a long ways now.

That's why I was more upset about last night's loss than others around here were. I feel like we'll beat Chicago, but winning the Cup doesn't look so promising if we have to play a fresh Pens team.

The Wings need to finish our series fast, or else we may be playing for 2nd place right now.

[SDavis35 140]

I guess. I don't know. I just have a feeling that we'll own the Penguins PP unit if we end up meeting. No basis... just a gut feeling.

Pens PP isn't anywhere NEAR as solid as the Hawks. I think that the remainder of this series will determine the effectiveness of our PK (despite the 11 mins of PK, only 1 of those 3 goals were on the PP i think) The Penguins PP numbers aren't that impressive either (18.9%)

But if the Wings don't turn it on, they don't deserve to win, plain and simple.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

This is not good news for the Wings.

The Pens may finish their series early and rest, while the series against Chicago may go a long ways now.

That's why I was more upset about last night's loss than others around here were. I feel like we'll beat Chicago, but winning the Cup doesn't look so promising if we have to play a fresh Pens team.

The Wings need to finish our series fast, or else we may be playing for 2nd place right now.

The Cup Finals won't start until June 5th, so there's going to be plenty of time for the winner of either Conference Final.

[Broken 16 381]

LOL

I recall you had a "gut feeling" about who the Wings should Start in net this Post Season, too....

Ya... so? Osgood sucked in the regular season. I don't think the Penguins power play is as good as the Hawks power play. And there have been stretches where the Wings looked really good against the Hawks PP.

[Broken 16 381]

Pens PP isn't anywhere NEAR as solid as the Hawks. I think that the remainder of this series will determine the effectiveness of our PK (despite the 11 mins of PK, only 1 of those 3 goals were on the PP i think) The Penguins PP numbers aren't that impressive either (18.9%)

But if the Wings don't turn it on, they don't deserve to win, plain and simple.

I agree. Outsider keeps posting about how the Wings will get shredded by the Pens PP, but I think the Hawks PP is way more sound. I could see if the Pens were clipping at 30% or something. I think we match up well against the Pens PP.

[Outsider 42]

Ya... so? Osgood sucked in the regular season. I don't think the Penguins power play is as good as the Hawks power play. And there have been stretches where the Wings looked really good against the Hawks PP.

Regular Season is not the Play Offs, 16. And your "gut feeling" was dead wrong.

As for the other?

Again, you're seeing something I'm not.

The Hawks PP isn't very good. They've just had the benefit of facing off against the Flames, and then the Canucks.

Having said that....

I've seen the Wings, in ALL THREE GAMES thus far in this Series, get trapped in their own zone, for extended periods of time, unable to KEEP possession, unable to clear the zone, and skating around like the Keystone Kops.....

Both on the PK AND at even strength.

The Wings better wake up. And quickly.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Outsider

[Broken 16 381]

Regular Season is not the Play Offs, 16. And your "gut feeling" was dead wrong.

As for the other?

Again, you're seeing something I'm not.

The Hawks PP isn't very good. They've just had the benefit of facing off against the Flames, and then the Canucks.

Having said that....

I've seen the Wings, in ALL THREE GAMES thus far in this Series, get trapped in their own zone, for extended periods of time, unable to KEEP possession, unable to clear the zone, and skating around like the Keystone Kops.....

Both on the PK AND at even strength.

The Wings better wake up. And quickly.

I see... Osgood was concerned about his play, Babcock was concerned and Ken Holland was so concerned that he ripped Osgood's ass and basically exiled him from the team for a week. But YOU knew more than those guys. Lol... ok.

Guys aren't going to be able to clear the zone every time. That's why it's called a power play. They are outnumbered. I'm not blown away by the Pens power play against the teams they have been playing. You, obviously, are. In a big way since you keep proclaiming that the Wings PK is going to be "SHREDDED". Tested, maybe. Shredded? Not so sure about that one. Hopefully time will tell.

The Hawks team is young, fast and energetic. I thought we all knew this going in. Seeing the Wings get caught running around from time to time really shouldn't be much of a surprise.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Broken 16

[Outsider 42]

I see... Osgood was concerned about his play, Babcock was concerned and Ken Holland was so concerned that he ripped Osgood's ass and basically exiled him from the team for a week. But YOU knew more than those guys. Lol... ok.

No, 16...

I knew EXACTLY what "those guys" knew.

i.e. That they were going to have to do WHATEVER IT TOOK to get Osgood back on top of his Game, because he was the ONLY TRULY VIABLE OPTION in net for the Wings this Post Season.

YOU, (and many others), are the one(s) who "knew better", claiming that rather than "wasting time" on Osgood, Babs should have just handed the reins over to Conklin.

Their extreme measures worked. Osgood pulled his head out of his rear, as a FEW of us here maintained he would, and has been one of the Wings most consistent contributors this Post Season.

Had you, (and many others here), gotten their way....

Conklin would have been in nets for the Wings, and the Jax would've extended their 1st Round Series, and the Ducks probably would've taken them out in 5 or 6 Games.

Guys aren't going to be able to clear the zone every time. That's why it's called a power play. They are outnumbered. I'm not blown away by the Pens power play against the teams they have been playing. You, obviously, are. In a big way since you keep proclaiming that the Wings PK is going to be "SHREDDED". Tested, maybe. Shredded? Not so sure about that one. Hopefully time will tell.

The Wings have now given up at least one PPG in THIRTEEN STRAIGHT Play Off games. That's an NHL record, 16.

And against much LESS offensively talented Teams.

You figure it out.

The Hawks team is young, fast and energetic. I thought we all knew this going in. Seeing the Wings get caught running around from time to time really shouldn't be much of a surprise.

"From time to time" wouldn't bother me. "Consistently" bothers me.

And it has been "consistently".

[Firehawk 305]

Crosby and Malkin won't be able to run a train on the Red Wing Defense, therefore there's no way both will be scoring at will in the SCF. That's assuming we get there...I'm of the utmost confidence.

The Wings usually respond well after they feel cheated out of a win, just like they did against Anaheim.

[Broken 16 381]

No, 16...

I knew EXACTLY what "those guys" knew.

i.e. That they were going to have to do WHATEVER IT TOOK to get Osgood back on top of his Game, because he was the ONLY TRULY VIABLE OPTION in net for the Wings this Post Season.

YOU, (and many others), are the one(s) who "knew better", claiming that rather than "wasting time" on Osgood, Babs should have just handed the reins over to Conklin.

Their extreme measures worked. Osgood pulled his head out of his rear, as a FEW of us here maintained he would, and has been one of the Wings most consistent contributors this Post Season.

Had you, (and many others here), gotten their way....

Conklin would have been in nets for the Wings, and the Jax would've extended their 1st Round Series, and the Ducks probably would've taken them out in 5 or 6 Games.

Look... we all know that you were one of the people that had unwavering faith in Osgood. We know because you keep telling everybody. Those of us that doubted him have long since acknowledged that Osgood has effectively pulled his head out of his ass. Good for us.

The Wings have now given up at least one PPG in THIRTEEN STRAIGHT Play Off games. That's an NHL record, 16.

And against much LESS offensively talented Teams.

You figure it out.

Just looking past the stats a little and looking at match ups. I think we match up much better against the Pens PP. Sue me.

"From time to time" wouldn't bother me. "Consistently" bothers me.

And it has been "consistently".

Does this "consistently" also include the 5 minute major where the Hawks barely got a shot off?

[Outsider 42]

Crosby and Malkin won't be able to run a train on the Red Wing Defense, therefore there's no way both will be scoring at will in the SCF. That's assuming we get there...I'm of the utmost confidence.

The Wings usually respond well after they feel cheated out of a win, just like they did against Anaheim.

That's what I'm counting on, Firehawk.

This Team is the Class of the NHL. Period.

It KILLS me when they underachieve.

Oh....

And Oz HAS to be better in Game 4. No question about it.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

Hurricanes finally woke up.

[Outsider 42]

Does this "consistently" also include the 5 minute major where the Hawks barely got a shot off?

Ahhhhh....

And now we come to the crux of it, don't we?

You know what I saw last night, both during that 5 minute kill AND the 3 goals the Wings scored in 4:23 to tie it up?

I saw a Team that was P!SSED OFF after they were bent over by the League, and were in RAGE mode! Both for that Kill, AND the closing moments of the 2nd.

They were working on pure emotion and adrenaline.

How did they show BEFORE that 5 minute major?

They DIDN'T. They allowed the Hawks to score on them, THREE TIMES, before they decided to wake up, and SHOW UP.

And how did they respond AFTER they tied it up at 3??

They DIDN'T. They got off 6 shots against a goaltender who came in cold, and who hadn't seen any Game action in MONTHS.

Now....

I'm willing to concede that they were undoubtedly exhausted, EXHAUSTED, after spending the first half of the 1st Period on the PK, AND that the only thing that allowed them to tie it up at 3-3 was a KILLING RAGE!, but there is no excuse for the way they failed to show up, AGAIN, at the drop of the puck, and allowed a ROOKIE TEAM to take it to them.

They WILL be better next Game.

But they're going to have to WAKE UP, and stop counting on their skill to bail them out, game after game.

[Broken 16 381]

Ahhhhh....

And now we come to the crux of it, don't we?

You know what I saw last night, both during that 5 minute kill AND the 3 goals the Wings scored in 4:23 to tie it up?

I saw a Team that was P!SSED OFF after they were bent over by the League, and were in RAGE mode! Both for that Kill, AND the closing moments of the 2nd.

They were working on pure emotion and adrenaline.

How did they show BEFORE that 5 minute major?

They DIDN'T. They allowed the Hawks to score on them, THREE TIMES, before they decided to wake up, and SHOW UP.

And how did they respond AFTER they tied it up at 3??

They DIDN'T. They got off 6 shots against a goaltender who came in cold, and who hadn't seen any Game action in MONTHS.

Now....

I'm willing to concede that they were undoubtedly exhausted, EXHAUSTED, after spending the first half of the 1st Period on the PK, AND that the only thing that allowed them to tie it up at 3-3 was a KILLING RAGE!, but there is no excuse for the way they failed to show up, AGAIN, at the drop of the puck, and allowed a ROOKIE TEAM to take it to them.

They WILL be better next Game.

But they're going to have to WAKE UP, and stop counting on their skill to bail them out, game after game.

I completely agree with you. I simply said that I think we match up better, man for man, against the Pens PP unit and that I'm far from impressed by the Pens PP. It's dangerous, sure... but most PP units in the final four are. Long story short... I don't think they would shred the Wings.

[Mike 0]

Canes have a flare for the dramatic. I hope they find a way to tie this up.

[Outsider 42]

I completely agree with you. I simply said that I think we match up better, man for man, against the Pens PP unit and that I'm far from impressed by the Pens PP. It's dangerous, sure... but most PP units in the final four are. Long story short... I don't think they would shred the Wings.

And what I'm saying is that they wouldn't necessarily have to.

The Wings have done a fair job of ASSISTING their opponents in shredding them.

[Mike 0]

The Canes have ZERO defense. Absolutely brutal. 4-2 Pens.

[Outsider 42]

Done.

Season over for the 'Canes.