dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) All of this is pure speculation that the Wings end up in the Finals...... OH, and forgive me hockey gods for speculating a little early. The NHL recently announced they are looking at the possibility of moving the Finals start date up to this Saturday. Weird that they haven't decided yet, and are waiting? This one is for all the conspiracy theorists. Let's look at the implications/possible negatives and positives. 1. The waiting until after the Pens series allows the NHL to make sure that the Pens don't get any injuries they need to recover from. 2. The Saturday start would give the Wings just a couple days rest instead of three. 3. The league is aware of the injury situations, and let's just say the Wings would probably benefit most from more time to heal up. Starting the series Saturday might make the wings start the series without some key components. 4. The Pens are rolling better right now than they have all season, and 9 days off might just interrupt some of that MO they have going. 5. The earlier start would give the Wings much less prep time for the Finals. 6. The Wings being a Veteran team just might have an advantage on how to deal with that much time off before a series. (The last one is obviously questionable at best) Do I believe any of this???? LOL!!! Not saying. OH, and one last thing. Most would say the Wings....being the "old" team and all would probably benefit more from rest, than the "young" Pens. Edited May 27, 2009 by dawings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 All of this is pure speculation that the Wings end up in the Finals...... OH, and forgive me hockey gods for speculating a little early. The NHL recently announced they are looking at the possibility of moving the Finals start date up to this Saturday. Weird that they haven't decided yet, and are waiting? This one is for all the conspiracy theorists. Let's look at the implications/possible negatives and positives. 1. The waiting until after the Pens series allows the NHL to make sure that the Pens don't get any injuries they need to recover from. 2. The Saturday start would give the Wings just a couple days rest instead of three. 3. The league is aware of the injury situations, and let's just say the Wings would probably benefit most from more time to heal up. Starting the series Saturday might make the wings start the series without some key components. 4. The Pens are rolling better right now than they have all season, and 9 days off might just interrupt some of that MO they have going. 5. The earlier start would give the Wings much less prep time for the Finals. 6. The Wings being a Veteran team just might have an advantage on how to deal with that much time off before a series. (The last one is obviously questionable at best) Do I believe any of this???? LOL!!! Not saying. OH, and one last thing. Most would say the Wings....being the "old" team and all would probably benefit more from rest, than the "young" Pens. It's in the tank alright. Bettman knowns the Wings top players are banged up and wants to schedule back to back games this weekend. He's a scumbag! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Here's to putting another conspiracy theory to bed.. :beerbuddy: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009...-cup-final.html Last Updated: Thursday, April 2, 2009 The top seed will host the first two games of the Stanley Cup final on back-to-back nights, according to two scheduling scenarios put forth by the NHL. If the third round of the playoffs ends on or before May 26, the top seed will host the first two games of the final on May 29 and 30, and then hit the road for Game 3 and 4 on June 2 and 4. Games 5, 6, and 7 — if necessary — will take place on June 6, 9 and 12. All games will begin at 8 p.m. ET. If the third round of the playoffs ends after May 26, the top seed will host the first two games of the final on June 5 and 6, before the series shifts to the other city for Games 3 and 4 on June 8 and 10. Games 5, 6, and 7 would be played on June 12, 14 and 16. Under this scenario, all games will begin at 8 p.m. ET, with the exception of Game 6, which would begin at 5 p.m. ET. The 2009 Stanley Cup finals will air on CBC and CBCSports.ca. Edited May 27, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drfnr14 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 oh tisk,tisk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Here's to putting another conspiracy theory to bed.. :beerbuddy: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009...-cup-final.html Last Updated: Thursday, April 2, 2009 Nice find. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Hockey 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Here's to putting another conspiracy theory to bed.. :beerbuddy: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009...-cup-final.html Last Updated: Thursday, April 2, 2009 Well, considering today (Game Day) is the 27th, then the finals should start on the 5th of June if we win right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Simple solution. Lose to Chicago tomorrow, wrap it up Saturday, and have a 6 day rest before things get rolling on June 5th. Also, by doing this, you force the Pens into a 10 day slumber. Genius/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Well, considering today (Game Day) is the 27th, then the finals should start on the 5th of June if we win right? Yes. Should be. Doesn't mean it can't or won't be changed up. There's no law against it. I hope not though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) It's in the tank alright. Bettman knowns the Wings top players are banged up and wants to schedule back to back games this weekend. He's a scumbag! Sorry Johnny, meant to quote Shoreline. Shoreline, that is not the latest info dude. If you are going to put a conspiracy theory to bed with Facts, at least make sure you have the latest info. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2009/news?id=4203658 The NHL WAS going to start with that schedule you mentioned in that APRIL 2ND article. Now, it's looking like they want to start this Saturday. Hence the original post. Guess I should have showed everyone the original schedule, and then the updated proposal so we didn't have to go through this. Just assumed (yes I know the saying) everyone knew of the latest scheduling proposal. Edited May 27, 2009 by dawings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 NHL may bump up Cup finals start dateComment Email Print Share By E.J. Hradek ESPN The Magazine Archive According to multiple sources, if the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings can wrap up their respective Conference final series by Wednesday night, the Stanley Cup finals likely would start on Saturday, May 30 in Detroit. In this scenario, Game 2 would be played on Sunday, May 31. Stanley Cup Playoffs Blog Check out the latest updates and analysis from the 2009 Stanley Cup playoffs as our NHL crew weighs in: • 2009 Playoffs blog This is a change from a May 22 press release from the league that indicated that the championship series would begin on Friday, June 5, if both Conference final series didn't end in four-game sweeps. The Penguins can close out their series with a victory over the Hurricanes in Raleigh on Tuesday night. The defending champion Red Wings, meanwhile, have positioned themselves to advance with a win over the Blackhawks on Wednesday in Detroit. For the past several days, the league has been working behind the scenes with NBC, which has limited prime time real estate to devote to the Cup finals due to important "sweeps" week programming and the Tonight Show re-launch with new host Conan O'Brien. The possible change would spare the league an embarrassing, television-created, eight-day hiatus and the competitive nature of the playoffs wouldn't be compromised by an unusually long layoff for both clubs. E.J. Hradek covers the NHL for ESPN The Magazine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladiator 116 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Sucks that the scheduling is dictated by the networks. Hope the SCF start on 6/5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted May 27, 2009 That's not the latest info but it does show there was no intent by the league to implement back to back games to hinder the Wings, and that the schedule being moved up, as iterated in your other article has to do with it being an embarrassment since the NBA has no such hiatus and venues seem to be far more accommodating to them. NHL may bump up Cup finals start dateComment Email Print Share By E.J. Hradek ESPN The Magazine Archive According to multiple sources, if the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings can wrap up their respective Conference final series by Wednesday night, the Stanley Cup finals likely would start on Saturday, May 30 in Detroit. In this scenario, Game 2 would be played on Sunday, May 31. Stanley Cup Playoffs Blog Check out the latest updates and analysis from the 2009 Stanley Cup playoffs as our NHL crew weighs in: • 2009 Playoffs blog This is a change from a May 22 press release from the league that indicated that the championship series would begin on Friday, June 5, if both Conference final series didn't end in four-game sweeps. The Penguins can close out their series with a victory over the Hurricanes in Raleigh on Tuesday night. The defending champion Red Wings, meanwhile, have positioned themselves to advance with a win over the Blackhawks on Wednesday in Detroit. For the past several days, the league has been working behind the scenes with NBC, which has limited prime time real estate to devote to the Cup finals due to important "sweeps" week programming and the Tonight Show re-launch with new host Conan O'Brien. The possible change would spare the league an embarrassing, television-created, eight-day hiatus and the competitive nature of the playoffs wouldn't be compromised by an unusually long layoff for both clubs. E.J. Hradek covers the NHL for ESPN The Magazine. This conspiracy s*** is way overdone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 That's not the latest info but it does show there was no intent by the league to implement back to back games to hinder the Wings, and that the schedule being moved up, as iterated in your other article has to do with it being an embarrassment since the NBA has no such hiatus and venues seem to be far more accommodating to them. This conspiracy s*** is way overdone. So's your "This conspiracy s*** is way overdone" s***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingslady87 130 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 It's not that they are waiting til after the Pens series, they are waiting until both teams finish with their current series. It was posted Monday, the Pens did not win their series until tonight, and the Wings could possibly win theirs tomorrow night. Should the Wings win tomorrow night, the Pens will have 1 more day of rest than the Wings. If the Wings don't win tomorrow night, it's June 5th. Had the Wings swept the Hawks in 4 games, we would have had 2 days more rest than the Pens. From the business aspect, it is a dumb decision to have all that time off between series. People lose interest. Ratings drop. It's not a conspiracy, its a business decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 That's not the latest info but it does show there was no intent by the league to implement back to back games to hinder the Wings, and that the schedule being moved up, as iterated in your other article has to do with it being an embarrassment since the NBA has no such hiatus and venues seem to be far more accommodating to them. This conspiracy s*** is way overdone. I'm not talking about the Back to Back games. Never was. How would back to back benefit either team?I was talking More about the original schedule, all of the sudden being possibly changed to sooner. How do we know what the intent was? WE DON'T! Yes, that is what the article says the intent is, but IF it were a conspiracy.....would you expect them to come out and say it??? Naive much? Look, I'm not saying it is a conspiracy....just that the NHL doesn't do themselves any favors in cooling the fires. They tend to add fuel to the fire. And if you don't like the conspiracy stuff....here's a little help for you.... You don't have to read about them. The thing is no one here can either prove, nor disprove a conspiracy. The other thing is....no one here (including you or I, shoreline) can prove what someone's real intent is.....unless you crawl inside their head. The intent as iterated in the article is EJ Hradeks opinion, or what he was told by the NHL. Doesn't mean it is the REAL intent. At one point the Pens had 74 PP's and the next closest was 60 (wings) I am sure we got alot closer after the Hawks meltdown. The funny thing is....at that same point the Canes, Wings, and Hawks were at 56, 57, and 60 PP's....while the Pens sat at 74. That is a pretty large discretion. Just curious, why are you so quick to discredit some of these folks who discuss conspiracies? Do you have some overwhelming proof that disproves them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Oh, and a couple other things..... Do I believe this scheduling thing is a conspiracy. I would like to think not. At the very least though it makes the NHL look bad and is poor management. Let's just say you lived out of state and when the wings lost game 3.....(according to the schedule they released) you lived out of state and bought airline tix to detroit for games 3 and 4. Now you have airline tix (non refundable) that are useless. In other words you just lost a bunch of money because of poor management. And at the very least, IMO this revised schedule benefits the Pens more than the wings. Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 I'm not against the finals starting this upcoming weekend if the Wings polish off the hawks tomorrow. I'm just against 2 games. Why can't they start it on Sunday and go Sunday, Tuesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted May 27, 2009 The scheduling conflicts arising also came up for the NBA as well, even though they've had an easier ride. The back to back thing has been asserted in other topics addressing this issue, so it's best to hit ALL of the points of contention regarding the conspiracy against the Red Wings. The scheduling issue has to do with gathering more ratings, more money, more ad revenue, and no conflicts in venue scheduling. I will also iterate that the Wings WOULD HAVE HAD MORE TIME OFF than the Penguins if they had swept their series as well, since the Red Wings started their series earlier than the Penguins'. Is this a league conspiracy too the fact that the Wings didn't perform as well? f*** no. There's no naivety to using conventional wisdom to throw out a very flagrantly mind-boggling conspiracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeysattva 8 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Nice find. Not really a find, everyone who was paying attention already knew. In fact if the OP spent half as much time searching for information on the schedule as it appears was spent speculating this thread wouldn't even exist. The most bunk part of this conspiracy is that it kind of legitimizes the potential for 8 days off between rounds. Marketing the finals eh... seems like Bettman doesn't have confidence that the main event can sell itself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 So's your "This conspiracy s*** is way overdone" s***. No, not really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dawings1905 2 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Not really a find, everyone who was paying attention already knew. In fact if the OP spent half as much time searching for information on the schedule as it appears was spent speculating this thread wouldn't even exist. The most bunk part of this conspiracy is that it kind of legitimizes the potential for 8 days off between rounds. Marketing the finals eh... seems like Bettman doesn't have confidence that the main event can sell itself... Reading comp. take time learning it. the person was saying nice find to Shoreline, who posted an article with the OLD schedule. So the OP (Myself) posted the NEW updated schedule which was what the original post was about. Not the old schedule, which the OP assumed that everyone already knew of the old, and new updated versions. Not exactly sure that's what you meant, but the OP had 1. read about the scheduling change on here earlier, 2. Knew about the original schedule. 3. Posted the info about the updated scheduling possibilities (which a couple people posting in this very post, knew nothing about apparently) and finally,The reason this thread DOES EXIST is because the OP had spent the time, and knew about ALL of the scheduling possibilities.....hence the speculation about the conspiracy. More important than the conspiracy talk though is.....what is the NHL going to do to reimburse the people that had already made travel plans based on their original schedule. My guess.....Nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robat 13 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 I hope it's the 5th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirac 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Reading comp. take time learning it. the person was saying nice find to Shoreline, who posted an article with the OLD schedule. So the OP (Myself) posted the NEW updated schedule which was what the original post was about. Not the old schedule, which the OP assumed that everyone already knew of the old, and new updated versions. Not exactly sure that's what you meant, but the OP had 1. read about the scheduling change on here earlier, 2. Knew about the original schedule. 3. Posted the info about the updated scheduling possibilities (which a couple people posting in this very post, knew nothing about apparently) and finally,The reason this thread DOES EXIST is because the OP had spent the time, and knew about ALL of the scheduling possibilities.....hence the speculation about the conspiracy. More important than the conspiracy talk though is.....what is the NHL going to do to reimburse the people that had already made travel plans based on their original schedule. My guess.....Nothing. @dawings 1905: "More important than the conspiracy talk though is.....what is the NHL going to do to reimburse the people that had already made travel plans based on their original schedule. My guess.....Nothing." All playoff games are listed as TBA. Also, the information that people may have purchased tickets upon was from the cbc not the NHL. I myself and totally screwed because I based my ticket purchase on some knob writer on yahoo.com. I have tickets for games 1 and 2 and do not return from Hong Kong until 6/1. [EXPLETIVE] [EXPLETIVE] [EXPLETIVE] "Just curious, why are you so quick to discredit some of these folks who discuss conspiracies? Do you have some overwhelming proof that disproves them?" Please tell me you are joking. That is the nice thing about conspiracy theorists is that you can come up with some crazy story but then say prove me wrong. This requires someone to prove a negative which, if you ever have had to do it, is almost impossible which is why conspiracy theory is the lowest common denominator. I just don't get what the rush is with a game on Sat and Sun. Why not start with game 1 on NBC on Sun and game 2 on Mon. Then game 3 on Wed, game 4 on Friday and the all important game 5 on Sunday, NBC again. Seriously, is the league run by non-super intelligent monkeys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Ok, I'm really confused now... When are the finals going to start? They'll move them up if DET wins later today? Or they're considering it as in it's not final? Can anyone break it down for me please? Also, is it set in stone that the first two games will be back to back? God I wish I could punch whoever is responsible in the face for that. It looks so stupid and ridiculous. When was the last time a major sport had back to back games in a league finals series? This scheduling crap was supposed to be set already. It's not only confusing it's also incredibly frustrating and stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted May 27, 2009 No conspiracy just business. My question is IF the Wings win in 6, why would they wait until the 5th(29th)? Why not start on the 1st or 2nd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
