joshy207 156 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Kolosov isn't ready. He's behind Kindl on the depth charts. Both of them will log big minutes in Grand Rapids. Kindl will be a candidate in 10-11, Kolosov either that year or the following one. With Lilja's injury situation, he won't be traded. He may go on LTIR if he's not ready to go in October, which would allow the Wings to replace his salary. My roster: Forwards--Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Cleary, Holmstrom, Draper, Leino (re-signed @ 900K), Maltby, Abdelkader, Helm, and a 12th forward signed for $500K--let's use Downey for now. Defensemen--Lidstrom, Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Lilja, Ericsson, Lebda, Meech. Lilja may start on IR or LTIR; Meech can fill in at forward as needed. Goalies--Osgood, Howard. This leaves $1,079,347 in extra room under the cap. This can be used for callups during the season (there's one open spot--two if Lilja is on IR), applied toward a replacement on the roster for Lilja if he goes on LTIR and is later activated; OR held for a high-priced, late-season roster addition, be it a forward, goalie, or whatever is needed for another run at the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Cleary Abdelkader-Helm-Leino Moen-Draper-Betts Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lebda-Ericsson Meech Osgood-Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Huh? Ericsson, Leino and Helm will be on the Wings next year. What is it with people and Downey. He is not going to be on the Wings. He has almost no hockey skills. He's an enforcer and that's it. We have no room to carry an enforcer and we don't need him. Sammy is gone and Huds probably is also. I think that Hossa is going to accept the Wings offer given that the alternative is to play in Los Angeles and have zero chance to ever have his name on the Cup. If we had room to carry a Slovakian broomstick for several years, then we have room to carry an enforcer also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 lol at the person suggesting us getting clutterbuck or that goat afinogenov that will never happen Not clutterf***. He sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 28, 2009 If we had room to carry a Slovakian broomstick for several years, then we have room to carry an enforcer also. A Slovakian Broomstick. LOL I do not see Kopecky having any value to the Wings. Ideally I'd like Chris Neil to be signed because he is an enforcer and can play a regular shift. However I expect some team like the Sharks to throw 2 mil at him and he is not worth that. 1.5 maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Not clutterf***. He sucks. your kidding right, he was probably the 3rd or 4th best rookie last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Kolosov isn't ready. He's behind Kindl on the depth charts. Both of them will log big minutes in Grand Rapids. Kindl will be a candidate in 10-11, Kolosov either that year or the following one. With Lilja's injury situation, he won't be traded. He may go on LTIR if he's not ready to go in October, which would allow the Wings to replace his salary. My roster: Forwards--Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Cleary, Holmstrom, Draper, Leino (re-signed @ 900K), Maltby, Abdelkader, Helm, and a 12th forward signed for $500K--let's use Downey for now. Defensemen--Lidstrom, Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Lilja, Ericsson, Lebda, Meech. Lilja may start on IR or LTIR; Meech can fill in at forward as needed. Goalies--Osgood, Howard. This leaves $1,079,347 in extra room under the cap. This can be used for callups during the season (there's one open spot--two if Lilja is on IR), applied toward a replacement on the roster for Lilja if he goes on LTIR and is later activated; OR held for a high-priced, late-season roster addition, be it a forward, goalie, or whatever is needed for another run at the Cup. Scratch Howard, fill in Conklin and I'm happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selke13 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 trade holmstrom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) 2009-2010 Detroit Red Wings FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 * Jiri Hudler $1,900,000 (1 year contract) Kris Draper $1,583,333 * Ville Leino $950,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 * Matt Ellis $500,000 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brian Rafalaski $6,000,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Andreas Lilja $1,250,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (including bonuses) ROSTER SIZE 22 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,820,653 BONUS MONEY (ESTIMATED) (0% of cap) $0 CAP ROOM $-20,653 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $0 This is the roster you go into camp with (You can still be over on cap). If Lilja is playing you trade Lebda or Meech wah-la under cap! If lilja is out LTIR and then deal with trading Lebda or Meech later when Lilja is back! Of course this is assuming Hudler is cool with the contract I want him to sign 1 year 1.9 million. If that is not the case then this doesn't work out anymore. Edited June 28, 2009 by russianswede919293 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Scratch Howard, fill in Conklin and I'm happy. Then I guess you won't be happy. Conklin isn't getting signed, and Howard will be in the lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Then I guess you won't be happy. Conklin isn't getting signed, and Howard will be in the lineup. I'll be happy if Howard can produce. Cautious as yet, but I've faith in the organization to make it right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leadzedder 4 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) 2009-2010 Detroit Red Wings FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 * Mikael Samuelsson $1,400,000 * Chris Neil $1,400,000 * Ville Leino $1,000,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brian Rafalaski $6,000,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Andreas Lilja $1,250,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (including bonuses) ROSTER SIZE 21 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,787,320 BONUS MONEY (ESTIMATED) (0% of cap) $0 CAP ROOM $12,680 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $6,340 It's plenty tight up against the cap but i'm only in charge of making the roster, not managing it. Personally, I don't feel we need 5 top 4 defensemen but I doubt Rafalski or Stuart get moved. I think there would be a good way to save bucks to replace one of them with Ohlund. I'd be ok with losing one of Draper, Maltby or Holmstrom, but again, I doubt it happens. Here's the lines. Franzen Zetterberg Samuelson Holmstrom Datsyuk Cleary Leino Filppula Draper Neil Helm Maltby D is the D, Goalies are the goalies, and Lebda is the extra. Maybe Meech makes more sense, but I prefer Lebda. This is assuming Lilja is good to go. If he isn't, this gives us room to carry an extra forward... whoever. If I had it my way, we'd trade Rafalski for picks / prospects. We'd pass on Samuelson. We'd sign Hossa for 4.7 and Ohlund for 2.8. Money works even. I'd just prefer Hossa and Ohlund over Rafalski and Samuelson. Lines Holmstrom Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen Filppula Hossa Leino Helm Cleary Neil Draper Maltby Ohlund takes Rafalski's spot Regardless of either option, we should be able to get some bonus picks out of whatever transpires. Hossa's rights... 3rd? Hudler's RFA compensation... 2nd? 1st and 3rd? Rafalski trade... should land a 1st, he'd fetch us some good assets. That's why I'd really like it go the way of the second option. Having that lineup with the possibility of 2 bonus first round picks. That would be huge, unrealistic, but huge. Damn that NTC. Edited June 29, 2009 by Leadzedder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elriqo28 2 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 To start, Kenny Holland should trade Hossa's right to Los Angeles for a 3rd Round Draft pick. Hossa is not going to be able to be re- signed. I'm sorry but nothing can be gained by further optimism. He's done as a Red Wing and it was fun to watch him play. Then he should re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season (if possible). That's it! It's simple, if he does all of that he'll have a team similar to last year- minus Hossa, but remember; Leino played great and chipped in offensively with 5 goals and 9 assists in only 13 regular season games. So just imagine what kind of production they could get out of him in 70+ games. Think about it. I know it's not the same 40 goals from Hossa but Detroit can get away with that because of their defense. Holmstrom- Zetterberg- Franzen Filppula- Datsyuk- Cleary Hudler- Leino- Samuelsson Malbty- Draper- Downey Lidstrom- Rafalski Stuart- Kronwall Lilja- Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Then assuming Holland is able to re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season, He'll have roughly 1 million dollars in cap space to play with and sign a pair of extra forwards. I know most of you want Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson all in Detroit next year, but face it... as much as I do too... Holland and Co. would much rather have those guys playing 10- 15 minutes a night in Grand Rapids instead of 5 to 7 minutes (or even being a scratch) in Detroit. Thoughts guys? you're dumb! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Holland should make a pitch for Pahlsson, simply because it would make our defensive forward depth one for the ages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Unless he is of Yzerman caliber he won't play next season. I'd love to see him play in the bigs but... no way. Which is why I'm going to take this opportunity to remind you of the following statistics: Jiri Hudler Born 1-4-1984 Drafted in 2002 2003-04 12gp, 1g-2a-3pt, -1 When's the last time you remember the Wings bringing up a player for more than ten games before he was 20? Who was it? How well did they do? Datsyuk and Zetterberg started their careers at 22 and 23, respectively. They were allowed to develop as top line stars in their home leagues, while Hudler came over and instead saw occasional duty before his 20th birthday and was on the big club full-time by 22 because it was impossible to keep him off, but has not had the same kind of chance to develop his skills as Dats and Z did due to the fact the organization kept shuttling him up and down instead of letting him play a full season. Hudler is poised to have a huge breakout season if he were allowed to actually play on the top two lines in an offensive role...but he keeps getting shut down and put on the fourth line if he doesn't score a point for two consecutive games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 I'll be happy if Howard can produce. Cautious as yet, but I've faith in the organization to make it right. You can take some encouragement from the fact that Oz was awful during the season but the Wings easily coasted to 50 wins. It really shouldn't be an issue because A.) Ozzie will be much better this year and will likely get more starts vs the 1a 1b routine, so there will still be a greater amount of quality tending this season and B.) the Wings will score 5 goals a night and prop Howard's ass up even if he does fall flat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 I stopped reading this thread when I saw Downey in the lineup. Ain't gonna happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 To start, Kenny Holland should trade Hossa's right to Los Angeles for a 3rd Round Draft pick. Hossa is not going to be able to be re- signed. I'm sorry but nothing can be gained by further optimism. He's done as a Red Wing and it was fun to watch him play. Then he should re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season (if possible). That's it! It's simple, if he does all of that he'll have a team similar to last year- minus Hossa, but remember; Leino played great and chipped in offensively with 5 goals and 9 assists in only 13 regular season games. So just imagine what kind of production they could get out of him in 70+ games. Think about it. I know it's not the same 40 goals from Hossa but Detroit can get away with that because of their defense. Holmstrom- Zetterberg- Franzen Filppula- Datsyuk- Cleary Hudler- Leino- Samuelsson Malbty- Draper- Downey Lidstrom- Rafalski Stuart- Kronwall Lilja- Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Then assuming Holland is able to re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season, He'll have roughly 1 million dollars in cap space to play with and sign a pair of extra forwards. I know most of you want Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson all in Detroit next year, but face it... as much as I do too... Holland and Co. would much rather have those guys playing 10- 15 minutes a night in Grand Rapids instead of 5 to 7 minutes (or even being a scratch) in Detroit. Thoughts guys? Cannot be done. Just impossible. Hudler and Samulesson both deserve and will get raises. McCarty is coming back in favour of Downey. Ericsson is an absolute LOCK to play in Detroit, as is Helm. Please don't even think about them playing in Grand Rapids, and you honestly think Ericsson would receive 5 minutes a night in Detroit? Helm 5 minutes? Please, some realism is required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunkedUp 29 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Cleary Samuelsson-Helm-Pahlsson Neil-Draper-Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Lebda Meech Osgood Howard 2009-2010 DETROIT RED WINGS FORWARDS -Marian Hossa $7,450,000 -Jiri Hudler $1,015,000 -Thomas Kopecky $500,000 + Samuel Pahlsson $1,500,000 + Mikael Samuelsson $1,500,000 + Chris Neil $1,500,000 DEFENSEMEN -Chris Chelios $750,000 -Andreas Lilja $1,200,000 GOALTENDERS -Ty Conklin $750,000 +Jimmy Howard $716,666 PAYROLL $56,720,653 I realize this is slightly unrealistic, but it could happen and I think it would be one of the best possible line ups. Adding Pahlsson and Neil would give us some sandpaper and not cause defensive liabilities. For some reason I think Pahlsson would fit really well on this team. Only thing is that I've traded Lilja to make room. I really like Lilja, but I'm afraid he might be done. Not to mention, I don't think he'll be that same person when he comes back, and its highly unlikely he'll fight again. Also we have Big Rig to step in. This also makes a 21 man roster, but Meech could play either position if need be. We'd have some more energy if we went this way... All I know is that all this speculation will be resolved very shortly... Edited June 29, 2009 by FunkedUp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) What I did in my NHL 09 Dynasty (I'm not suggesting it for Kenny, it can't even be done): Traded Haydar, Conklin, Samuelsson, Hudler and Stuart for draft picks #1, #3 and #5. #1 drafted a promising left winger (Matthieu Donovan, 78 overall), #3 a promising D-man (Jim Blair, 79 overall) and #5 a promising goalie (Brad Staal, 77 overall). Also drafted a promising right-shooting center (Tim Lannon, 75 overall) #27 overall. Also Chigago proposed trading Cleary for Bolland, which was perfect for me. Bolland is right-shooter, better overall (79-80) and has less years left in the contract (which is important cuz there is prospects waiting in GR). I signed Hossa for 5 years, 8M/year (led the team in points in both regular season and playoffs) and Franzen for 6 years 4M/year. I moved Lebda to GR and called up Kindl, because Kindl had only one year left in the contract and had 75 overall. I also let Leino go because he had only 75 (dunno why he won't get better). Lineup 09-10: Holmström-Datsyuk-Zetterberg Franzen-Filppula-Hossa Donovan-Helm-Bolland Maltby-Draper-Lannon Lidström-Rafalski Kronwall-Blair Lilja-Kindl Osgood Staal I'm done half of the season now and I'm 5th in the league. Suprisingly D-man Jim Blair is leading the rookies in points even though missing 10-15 games. 10-11 line-up, hopefully: Donovan-Datsyuk-Zetterberg Franzen-Filppula-Hossa Emmerton-Helm-Bolland Abdelkader-Draper-Lannon Kronwall-Rafalski Kindl-Blair Ericsson-Pyett Staal Osgood 11-12 line-up, hopefully: Donovan-Datsyuk-Zetterberg Franzen-Filppula-Hossa Emmerton-Helm-Bolland Abdelkader-Zagrapan-Lannon Kronwall-Doughty Kindl-Blair Ericsson-Pyett Staal Howard Team of the future! Also, I have noticed that the cap space just keeps growing and growing in the game. It was like 65 or something 11-12 season in my earlier save. THIS IS NOT WHAT I'D LIKE KENNY TO DO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AND MAYBE NOT EVEN WISE. Edited June 29, 2009 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunkedUp 29 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 What I did in my NHL 09 Dynasty (I'm not suggesting it for Kenny, it can't even be done): Traded Haydar, Conklin, Samuelsson, Hudler and Stuart for draft picks #1, #3 and #5. #1 drafted a promising left winger (Matthieu Donovan, 78 overall), #3 a promising D-man (Jim Blair, 79 overall) and #5 a promising goalie (Brad Staal, 77 overall). Also drafted a promising right-shooting center (Tim Lannon, 75 overall) #27 overall. Also Chigago proposed trading Cleary for Bolland, which was perfect for me. Bolland is right-shooter, better overall (79-80) and has less years left in the contract (which is important cuz there is prospects waiting in GR). I signed Hossa for 5 years, 8M/year (led the team in points in both regular season and playoffs) and Franzen for 6 years 4M/year. I moved Lebda to GR and called up Kindl, because Kindl had only one year left in the contract and had 75 overall. I also let Leino go because he had only 75 (dunno why he won't get better). Wow. I thought mine suggestions were outlandish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 What I did in my NHL 09 Dynasty (I'm not suggesting it for Kenny, it can't even be done): Oh dear lord. Please let that post be a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunkedUp 29 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Apparently there are rumors floating around that Hossa will sign a contract with us tonight... I'll believe it when I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kory - red since 1992 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 Draper- gone -trade his faceoff ability should be able to get something Maltby- gone - trade holmstrom- gone - trade hudler- long term 22.5 million ten years or gone Samuelson - same price or gone 1 year downey - ahl or gone mccarty - ahl or gone lilja - training camp healthy or gone meech - dependent on lilja rafalski - look to trade down in price, love the guy but not making his money maybe (NTC assumed) komiserek (sp) or scuderi would sign long term cheaper Hossa - 4 million dependent leino sign long term filpula - look to extend contract before he puts up better numbers and wants more money, another gem in the rough awesome playoffs -probably the only one who'd say this but I would consider putting osgood on the market in conjunction with rafalski and split the salaries - if hossa goes perhaps tanguay or cole would sign for cheap longterm - also if helm plays the 70 games i bet hes in the running for rookie of the year, lets bring out the best of him Franzen-Zetterberg - Cleary Hossa (or who ever they grab to fill him) - Datsyuk - Helm Hudler - Filipula - Leino Hole (samulesson maltby value)- hole to be filled (holmstrom & Meech trade)- Hole (Draper trade) Lidstrom - Ericsson Rafalski (or ideally Komisarek etc to make value for better forwards) - Lebda Kronwal - Stuart Lilja Osgood (see how him and howard do but i think we'll be goalie shopping come the deadline) Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Systemfel 33 Report post Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) Phoenix didn't qualify Joakim Lindstrom. That's a guy they're looking at, I'm sure. Can play all three forward positions and should be cheap. http://www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?3118 Edited June 30, 2009 by Systemfel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
