miller76 463 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Did anyone realistically believe that the Wings would have made a splash today? I just feel like, once Hossa rejected the offer from the Wings, we would most likely be silent and be an observer. I think as fans of this hockey team, we should be thankful that Ken Holland isn't getting this team in over their head. I think Montreal, Chicago, and the NYR grossly overpaid for some of their acquisitions today. Gaborik: 7.5 a year, with his health issues. Cammalleri: 6.0 a year, way too much Hossa I don't believe was overpaid, but I do believe Chicago will now have to move some serious salary next year, due to Kane, Toews, and possibly Keith coming up for new contracts. Yeah good luck with that! I am glad that Z, Datsyuk, and Franzen are all locked up for many years to come still. Good job Kenny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Id take Franzen over Hossa any day. Franzen is a one of the few few big net-driving power forwards we have. We dont need Hossa to win a cup because we already have a zillion guys of his type, but we need a guy like Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I am not surprised by what happened today. I never expected Hossa to stay. I had hopes and dreams of course, but I'm not angry at him. Also I think those teams which overpaid or now have crazy cap issues (or are about to) will be willing to ... be more open to negotiation down the road. In Kenny I trust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Id take Franzen over Hossa any day. Franzen is a one of the few few big net-driving power forwards we have. We dont need Hossa to win a cup because we already have a zillion guys of his type, but we need a guy like Franzen. Don't let micah hear you call Franzen a power forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I'm not surprised, but I was hoping that Kenny would pull a rabbit out of his hat, sign some no name player to a deal worth 545k, and have him turn out to be a 40 point producer a la Samuelsson. Fortunately, theres all summer long for that to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Id take Franzen over Hossa any day. Franzen is a one of the few few big net-driving power forwards we have. We dont need Hossa to win a cup because we already have a zillion guys of his type, but we need a guy like Franzen. I totally agree. I think Hossa was a side show all season, and a distraction to the team in the Finals. It was like Hossa vs his old team, and his inability to score and say "I was right in my decision in coming here." I am in no way blaming him for the loss, but I felt he was not a contributing factor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Yes I am content with Zetterberg and Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) No. For just an extra 1.3 million, it would have been entirely worth it to have Hossa over Franzen. Franzen gets lazy, but Hossa gives it all every shift. Hossa at 5.2 > Franzen at 3.9 easily. Plus, we probably could have gotten Hossa for even less than 5.2. I've said it before, Franzen is a great goal scorer, but otherwise is pretty useless (I know that sounds strange, but there is more to hockey than just scoring goals). Hossa is an even better goal scorer, a great passer, spectacular forechecker, good defensively, etc. I'll take Hossa over Franzen all day every day. Edited July 2, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 No. For just an extra 1.3 million, it would have been entirely worth it to have Hossa over Franzen. Franzen gets lazy, but Hossa gives it all every shift. Hossa at 5.2 > Franzen at 3.9 easily. Plus, we probably could have gotten Hossa for even less than 5.2. I've said it before, Franzen is a great goal scorer, but otherwise is pretty useless (I know that sounds strange, but there is more to hockey than just scoring goals). Hossa is an even better goal scorer, a great passer, spectacular forechecker, good defensively, etc. I'll take Hossa over Franzen all day every day. You'd rather have a playoff choker than a guy who broke a Gordie Howe scoring record and also the unsung hero while Zetterberg mainly gets the credit for his line's defensive play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I said since the season started that if it ever came down to it I'd take Franzen over Hossa. Franzen has proved time and time again that he can step up and score clutch goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I am just glad I didn't buy a Hossa jersey! But in all seriousness, I just have never bought into the elitism in Hossa. Talented yes. I just don't put him up there with top tier players in this league, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trapt1307 81 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Guy who delivers in the playoffs>Guy who disappears in the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I wonder how much money Franzen would have made as a free agent today? 4.5M? Maybe even 5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I wonder how much money Franzen would have made as a free agent today? 4.5M? Maybe even 5? I am guessing at least 5. Especially teams like NYR and Montreal, who seem to pay whatever it takes. Edmonton always seems to be a little over anxious with certain players in what they offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 I wonder how much money Franzen would have made as a free agent today? 4.5M? Maybe even 5? AT LEAST 5. Hes made a name for himself as 1) a clutch playoff performer; 2) a goal scorer 3) A huge body with soft hands. He would've been the only guy of his type on the market. Remember what Ryan Smyth got? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 You'd have to be some kind of major ******* idiot to take Hossa over Franzen. Hossa is a great player, but Franzen owns and is clutch. Hossa is a magician. He has a way of doing this splendid disappearing act, but it's not amusing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) If we lose next year in the playoffs, I hope it's against chicago at the hands of Hossa, who scores 3 goals a game. Hossa > Franzen. In every department. It's not debatable. Hossa had a bad playoffs year, so did Datsyuk. But who would you rather have, Datsyuk or Franzen? People here are so fickle. Edited July 2, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 You'd have to be some kind of major ******* idiot to take Hossa over Franzen. Hossa is a great player, but Franzen owns and is clutch. Hossa is a magician. He has a way of doing this splendid disappearing act, but it's not amusing. Franzen "owns"? That an arbitrary statement if I've ever seen one. What do you mean by owns? Does Hossa not own? Does 40 goals not "own"? Franzen does seem to score very timely goals, but so has Hossa. Hossa nearly carried this team on his back during the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) If we lose next year in the playoffs, I hope it's against chicago at the hands of Hossa, who scores 3 goals a game. Hossa > Franzen. In every department. Hossa had a bad playoffs year, so did Datsyuk. But who would you rather have, Datsyuk or Franzen? People here are so fickle. Hossa had a bad playoff year? Well, Franzen just had two ******* amazing playoff years. If he hadn't been hurt in 08 he very realistically could have equaled Hossa's numbers. This playoffs wasn't even close between the two. Franzen slaughtered Hossa - and he was playing on the checking line for s*** sakes. How about the regular season? Hossa had 10 goals more than the Mule. Who cares? If Hossa only had 30 goals, like Franzen, the Wings are still making the playoffs with home ice advantage. How about barely better in some departments, and noticeably worse in other (more important) ones? Edited July 2, 2009 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 If we lose next year in the playoffs, I hope it's against chicago at the hands of Hossa, who scores 3 goals a game. Hossa > Franzen. In every department. It's not debatable. Hossa had a bad playoffs year, so did Datsyuk. But who would you rather have, Datsyuk or Franzen? People here are so fickle. So basically what you're saying is that you're a ******* idiot. Gotcha. Keep up the good work! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 What areas? Goal scoring - Hossa Playmaking - Hossa Backchecking - Hossa Defense - Hossa (I concede it's a slight advantage if anything, he's definitely not worse) Speed - Hossa Hitting - Even (Hossa had more hits than Franzen in the playoffs, Franzen had more in the reg. season) Intensity/Effort - Hossa Clutch Goals - Franzen, but a very slight advantage Takeaways - Hossa What else is there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 So basically what you're saying is that you're a ******* idiot. Gotcha. Keep up the good work! That was a really talented response. You must be smarter than the rest of us. Endulge us with more posts like this. I just find myself not able to get enough! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lovin Jiri Fischer 147 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Franzen "owns"? That an arbitrary statement if I've ever seen one. What do you mean by owns? Does Hossa not own? Does 40 goals not "own"? Franzen does seem to score very timely goals, but so has Hossa. Hossa nearly carried this team on his back during the regular season. Anytime in the finals would have been pretty timely for Hossa. Ask Sharks fans how important the regular season is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Franzen was playing on the CHECKING LINE? Well that's the stupidest I've heard all day. I don't think anyone referred to the Franzen Zetterberg Cleary line as the checking line ever. Just because you play against Crosby you're the checking line? Well think about this: Hossa was playing against Malkin. And how many posters here say Malkin is better than Crosby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 2, 2009 Anytime in the finals would have been pretty timely for Hossa. Ask Sharks fans how important the regular season is... How many timely goals did Franzen score in the Finals? Franzen was just as invisible as Hossa was in the last games of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
