Holland IS Searching for a Free Agent!

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I really can't tell if Icesurfer is serious. This is hilarious.

Agreed!

[Icesurfer 75]

This is the roster without Hudler..... thank goodness.... who are under contract.

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000

Darren Helm $599,444

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000

Zetterberg, Henrik $6,080,000

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000

Draper, Kris $1,583,333

Abdelkader, Justin $740,000

Maltby, Kirk $883,333

Franzen, Johan $3,950,000

Leino $800,000

Filppula, Val $3,000,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000

Rafalski, Brian $6,000,000

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000

Ericsson, J $900,000

Lilja, Andreas $1,250,000

Meech, Derek $483,333

Lebda, Brett $650,000

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667

Howard,Jimmy $716,667

TOTAL is 55,002,777. Available is 1,797,333.00. Last report was that Abdlekader was to be on opening roster so I already included him. If you don't want Abdelkader then replace him with the league minimum salary and you can ad 240,000 to 1.797 mil and you get a player around 2 mil...... not 2.5 mil to $ 3 mil. I don't know what spredsheet you are using but these numbers are correct. Some people may be including Lilja's salary. If he is on LTIR it is NOT counted as cap space but cap RELIEF. Cap RELIEF is NOT the same as cap space.

[skacore 2]

This is the roster without Hudler..... thank goodness.... who are under contract.

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000

Darren Helm $599,444

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000

Zetterberg, Henrik $6,080,000

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000

Draper, Kris $1,583,333

Abdelkader, Justin $740,000

Maltby, Kirk $883,333

Franzen, Johan $3,950,000

Leino $800,000

Filppula, Val $3,000,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000

Rafalski, Brian $6,000,000

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000

Ericsson, J $900,000

Lilja, Andreas $1,250,000

Meech, Derek $483,333

Lebda, Brett $650,000

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667

Howard,Jimmy $716,667

TOTAL is 55,002,777. Available is 1,797,333.00. Last report was that Abdlekader was to be on opening roster so I already included him. If you don't want Abdelkader then replace him with the league minimum salary and you can ad 240,000 to 1.797 mil and you get a player around 2 mil...... not 2.5 mil to $ 3 mil. I don't know what spredsheet you are using but these numbers are correct. Some people may be including Lilja's salary. If he is on LTIR it is NOT counted as cap space but cap RELIEF. Cap RELIEF is NOT the same as cap space.

we're moving a D

[Drake_Marcus 890]

This is the roster without Hudler..... thank goodness.... who are under contract.

TOTAL is 55,002,777. Available is 1,797,333.00. Last report was that Abdlekader was to be on opening roster so I already included him. If you don't want Abdelkader then replace him with the league minimum salary and you can ad 240,000 to 1.797 mil and you get a player around 2 mil...... not 2.5 mil to $ 3 mil. I don't know what spredsheet you are using but these numbers are correct. Some people may be including Lilja's salary. If he is on LTIR it is NOT counted as cap space but cap RELIEF. Cap RELIEF is NOT the same as cap space.

MATH TIME!

1.797+0.625 = 2.422

1.797+1.25 = 3.047

Holy crap! I'm some kind of number crunching genius!

You see, when you trade a defenseman to cut the roster down to 7 d-men and keep the only d-man who's capable of covering the 13th forward and 7th d-man spots you get 2.5-3 million in cap room for one player.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

we're moving a D

Word.

[Icesurfer 75]

Obviously if you trade someone you create more cap space genius...LOL.

As I said my numbers are based on who is under contract as of this point and the fact that MLIVE indicated Abldelkader may start the season on the roster.... the numbers are correct genius.... check them with your spredsheet... if you really have one... because that is mine.... and I did not get mine from cap geek.

You can trade Filppula and get another $3 mil.... genius..... LOL.....

You can NOT count LILJA as cap space..... if he is on LTIR you get cap relief..... CAP RELIEF is not CAP SPACE, IF Lija is on LTIR one player who's salary is $1.25 mil or less can take Lilja's space..... you can NOT divide Lilja's salary between 2 or 3 players.... doesn't work that way genius.

And if Lilja is on LTIR it will be a mistake to trade Lebda or Meech. Kindl is NOT ready! Meech is also a two-way player who can act as the extra forward!!!

So there IS only 1.797 mil avaiable as the roster stands NOW.... which would be for one remaining forward IF the rest of the roster were to stay as it is now... bringing total to 12 forwards, 8 defensemen (1 on LTIR most likely... so only 7 defensemen), 2 goalies and 1.25 in cap relief that Holland would be able to use to bring players up and down who's salary is 1.25 mil or less.... which would be ideal to bring up some guys from GR. And when Lilja gets healthy, he or someone else can THEN be traded and then Holland may have some money left for a trade deadline deal. If the Wings trade a defensemen now (Lebda or Meech) and Lilja can't come back... they are screwed because Kindl is NOT ready.

Obviously everything changes depending on what happens to Lilja or any trades.

Edited July 9, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Obviously if you trade someone you create more cap space genius...LOL.

As I said my numbers are based on who is under contract as of this point and the fact that MLIVE indicated Abldelkader may start the season on the roster.... the numbers are correct genius.... check them with your spredsheet... if you really have one... because that is mine.... and I did not get mine from cap geek.

You can trade Filppula and get another $3 mil.... genius..... LOL.....

You can NOT count LILJA as cap space..... if he is on LTIR you get cap relief..... CAP RELIEF is not CAP SPACE,

And if Lilja is on LTIR it will be a mistake to trade Lebda or Meech. Kindl is NOT ready! Meech is also a two-way player who can act as the extra forward!!!

Derrrrr Ken Holland said on Mlive that he will move a defenseman after training camp.

I know, I know you're thinking: "LOLZ XD You cant use wat da GM sed he will do. Lollerskates"

And again, we ******* know what cap relief is, no need to bold a point we already know.

I used your f***in' numbers in my calculation to arrive at 2.5-3 million. I even showed you the simple addition needed to do them.

Injuries on defense? Well no f***- I left 7 d-men. I'm well aware Kindl isn't ready, maybe that's why Holland just signed a depth d-man to leave in GR? Nah, we can't base our speculation on what the f***in' GM says!

[skacore 2]

Obviously if you trade someone you create more cap space genius...LOL.

As I said my numbers are based on who is under contract as of this point and the fact that MLIVE indicated Abldelkader may start the season on the roster.... the numbers are correct genius.... check them with your spredsheet... if you really have one... because that is mine.... and I did not get mine from cap geek.

You can trade Filppula and get another $3 mil.... genius..... LOL.....

You can NOT count LILJA as cap space..... if he is on LTIR you get cap relief..... CAP RELIEF is not CAP SPACE,

And if Lilja is on LTIR it will be a mistake to trade Lebda or Meech. Kindl is NOT ready! Meech is also a two-way player who can act as the extra forward!!!

So there IS only 1.797 mil avaiable as the roster stands NOW. Obviously that changes depending on what happens to Lilja or any trades

Holland has stated we're moving a D before the season starts so there's more cap space, no one knows how much until it happens

[titanium2 867]

And if Lilja is on LTIR it will be a mistake to trade Lebda or Meech. Kindl is NOT ready! Meech is also a two-way player who can act as the extra forward!!!

You're not implying that Meech be a full time forward are you?

He's a spare tire up front or on the back end. A stopgap for when a player has a groin injury.

[titanium2 867]

I'm well aware Kindl isn't ready, maybe that's why Holland just signed a depth d-man to leave in GR? Nah, we can't base our speculation on what the f***in' GM says!

He won't be able to do what Ericsson did when he filled in for Lilja but let's say someone goes on LTIR. I think he can handle 3-5 games with limited minutes. As far as the other five games go, not sure.

[Icesurfer 75]

You're not implying that Meech be a full time forward are you?

He's a spare tire up front or on the back end. A stopgap for when a player has a groin injury.

"a two-way player who can ACT as an extra forward" CERTAINLY does not imply being a full time forward. The Wings would have only 12 forwards..... if one gets hurt in pre-game skate or whatever Meech can fill in..... That's why I do NOT favor getting rid of Meech. Wings do not have that extra 13th forward so Meech can fill in when needed like last year.

And because the Wings played 2 back-to-back very long seasons and because they are trying to keep Lidstrom's miinutes down and because they defense stunk last year and needs to improve next year, I favor the Wings keeping all the defensemen they now have. Injuries will happen.... always do... and you NEVER have enough defensemen.

I would not sacrifice a defensemen to try to sign a forward just because he scores 20 -25 goals.... that's just plain stupid. I would like to see what Leino, Helm and Abdelkader do and save a little extra money so if any one of them stumble then go out and get someone at the trade deadline.

NEVER have enough defensemen.... and GR will be thin on that end..... there are more forwards available in GR to bring up than defensemen.

Holland said he would move a defensemen for more cap space because he was trying to sign Hossa then Hudler..... and NOW that has changed. His focus now SHOULD be to make sure he has a strong defense with backups to cut down the extra 60 goals they allowed last year from the previous year..... then they won't have to worry about making up the goals they lost from not having Hossa, Sammy or Hudler.

Besides defense wins championships NOT OFFENSE.

Edited July 9, 2009 by Icesurfer

[NGKEIB 32]

I think that we will trade either Lebda or Lilja. Meech can be the 7th defenseman (with Janik available in GR should he need to be called up) and 13th forward (with maybe Abdelkader, Ritola and co. to be called up). I'd be happy with signing some dirt-cheap but still good defensive players to boost our PK and lower our GA. Oulahen and Betts could probably be had for peanuts. Give Oulahen a one year at around 500k, and if he's good, then keep him. If it doesn't work, put him as 13th/trade/send him to GR or let someone take him on waivers, and pick someone else up at the trade deadline as we'll have wiggle room to sign people. Betts earned 615k last season, is definitely due a raise (and I would happily give him a multi-year contract) but would still be very cheap for a great penalty killer. Problem solved! Maltby and Draper won't be around forever, and we'll need a new fourth line.

The only problem is who would play on the 3rd. Leino-Draper-Helm? Cleary-Helm-Draper? Holmström-Draper-Helm? Either way, I think that Oulahen-Betts-Maltby would not get scored on too much. In this system we might have enough cap space to call up e.g. Abdelkader if we need a replacement for a player.