Holland confirms that Hudler will play in KHL

[eva unit zero 271]

And suggesting that Leino can't play on the 2nd line because others said Hudler couldn't is logical? Both are talented players. Nowhere in my post did I suggest that Leino was better than Hudler, just that him playing on the 2nd line isn't that out of the question.

Hudler's going to the KHL, he won't be on any line. Oh well.

Hudler's not going anywhere until after his arbitration hearing, at which point we'll know what's happening. Hopefully he'll be playing on the second line in Detroit with Franzen, either centering him or as the opposite winger.

Assuming the arbitration ends up with a $3m ruling, Hudler should be back in Detroit. Based on that, here's a few different sets of line combinations that could work well:

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Filppula/Hudler

Cleary/Helm/Leino

Maltby/Draper/Oulahen

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Hudler/Leino

Cleary/Filppula/Helm

Maltby/Draper/Oulahen

Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler

Leino/Datsyuk/Holmstrom

Cleary/Filppula/McGrath

Maltby/Draper/Helm

[Casey 145]

Hudler's not going anywhere until after his arbitration hearing, at which point we'll know what's happening. Hopefully he'll be playing on the second line in Detroit with Franzen, either centering him or as the opposite winger.

Assuming the arbitration ends up with a $3m ruling, Hudler should be back in Detroit. Based on that, here's a few different sets of line combinations that could work well:

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Filppula/Hudler

Cleary/Helm/Leino

Maltby/Draper/Oulahen

Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom

Franzen/Hudler/Leino

Cleary/Filppula/Helm

Maltby/Draper/Oulahen

Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler

Leino/Datsyuk/Holmstrom

Cleary/Filppula/McGrath

Maltby/Draper/Helm

Where are you pulling three million bucks to pay him with?

[uk_redwing 495]

Hudler's not going anywhere until after his arbitration hearing, at which point we'll know what's happening. Hopefully he'll be playing on the second line in Detroit with Franzen, either centering him or as the opposite winger.

Assuming the arbitration ends up with a $3m ruling, Hudler should be back in Detroit. Based on that, here's a few different sets of line combinations that could work well:

Oh dear. The NHL said yesterday theres nothing they can do to stop Hudler playing the the KHL. Hes gone and Detroit are looking at other free agents. Keep up.

[Peleshob 0]

Oh dear. The NHL said yesterday theres nothing they can do to stop Hudler playing the the KHL. Hes gone and Detroit are looking at other free agents. Keep up.

This.

The arbitration is merely so that the Wings can keep his rights. At least this way they can get something for him if they feel like moving his rights. I highly doubt you'll see Jiri Hudler pass up 5 million tax free to play for 2.5-3 here.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Leino on the 2nd line isn't that far fetched? Leino is not as good as Hudler in any area of offense, and offense is why people are suggesting Leino for the second line. Yet people said Hudler wasn't good enough for the second line. There is no logical reason for this other than people disliking Hudler.

Samuelsson, Hossa.

End of story.

[eva unit zero 271]

This.

The arbitration is merely so that the Wings can keep his rights. At least this way they can get something for him if they feel like moving his rights. I highly doubt you'll see Jiri Hudler pass up 5 million tax free to play for 2.5-3 here.

The head of the KHL said they would not register Hudler's KHL contract if, after his NHL arbitration, he had an NHL contract. This is in response to the goodwill generated by the NHL refusing to allow Atlanta to sign defenseman Joel Kwiatwoski when he had a valid contract with a KHL club. This means that in a week we should know if Hudler is playing for Detroit this coming season or not.

[Peleshob 0]

The head of the KHL said they would not register Hudler's KHL contract if, after his NHL arbitration, he had an NHL contract. This is in response to the goodwill generated by the NHL refusing to allow Atlanta to sign defenseman Joel Kwiatwoski when he had a valid contract with a KHL club. This means that in a week we should know if Hudler is playing for Detroit this coming season or not.

The Head of the KHL said he might not register Hudler's contract. Hudler's agent has already said he has no desire to negotiate a contract before the arbitration hearing. Hudler signed a two-year contract for Dynamo.

If you ask me it's leaning in favor of Hudler heading to Dynamo regardless.

Edited July 24, 2009 by Peleshob

[eva unit zero 271]

The Head of the KHL said he might not register Hudler's contract. Hudler's agent has already said he has no desire to negotiate a contract before the arbitration hearing. Hudler signed a two-year contract for Dynamo.

If you ask me it's leaning in favor of Hudler heading to Dynamo regardless.

There was no "might" in what Medvedev said on the topic. He said he will not honor Hudler's KHL contract if the arbitrator decides on a contract and the club accepts.

NY Times Article

The only question is, how much will Huds be awarded?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

There was no "might" in what Medvedev said on the topic. He said he will not honor Hudler's KHL contract if the arbitrator decides on a contract and the club accepts.

NY Times Article

The only question is, how much will Huds be awarded?[/font]

Too much, if Filpulas numbers are getting paid 3mil, Hudlers would get 4-5, and the Wings would be foolish to pay a player like Hudler that kind of money.

[Peleshob 0]

There was no "might" in what Medvedev said on the topic. He said he will not honor Hudler's KHL contract if the arbitrator decides on a contract and the club accepts.

NY Times Article

The only question is, how much will Huds be awarded?

According to this article there is a might.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090723/SP...0417/1128/rss16

"Holland said Hudler's agent, Petr Svoboda, indicated they have no desire to work out a contract agreement before arbitration. "

"The arbitrator will determine an NHL salary for Hudler, if he decides to return to North America. "

"Hudler can join Dynamo regardless of what happens during next week's arbitration hearing."

"Holland said the team is going forward as if Hudler will play in Russia next season. "

With all of those quotations, it would seem to me, that Hudler isn't coming back, nor does he want to. Holland himself says he's moving forward WITHOUT Hudler. So if you want to butt heads with the guy handing out contracts, then by all means.

[thedisappearer 291]

Leino on the 2nd line isn't that far fetched? Leino is not as good as Hudler in any area of offense, and offense is why people are suggesting Leino for the second line. Yet people said Hudler wasn't good enough for the second line. There is no logical reason for this other than people disliking Hudler.

That or Leino has played.. what... 8 NHL games? That's a reason to keep him off the second line.

At least to start the season.

[thedisappearer 291]

Hopefully he'll be playing on the second line in Detroit with Franzen

Disagree. I have loved Huds since he came up. But if he *wants* to play elsewhere, let him go. This isn't how Detroit does business. You either buy in or you don't. If you don't- fine. But go away and do so quickly.

[Z and D for the C 712]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...er_will_go.html

Red Wings, Jiri Hudler will go to salary arbitration, club anticipates he will play in Russia next season

by Ansar Khan

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 3:20 PM

Wings general manager Ken Holland said today that the club will head to salary arbitration with forward Jiri Hudler on July 20 in Toronto. Hudler's agent, Petr Svoboda, told Holland the 25-year-old left wing intends on playing in Russia next season.

"They have no intention of negotiating a settlement, they want the case heard before an arbitrator,'' Holland said.

What a ******* tool Hudler is. I hope we end up signing him regardless of the salary and then trade his as to a bottom feeder team for a first and a second/third.

[titanium2 867]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/07/th...restricted.html

The KHL's stance on 'restricted free agents,' IIHF's inability to police them bode poorly for Jiri Hudler's return to Red Wings

(George's take: The Red Wings fully believe that the NHL's protestations of Jiri Hudler's decision to sign with Dynamo Moscow of the KHL will not force Hudler to return to North America after his salary arbitration hearing (and Fox Sports' Spector duly noted that arbitration hearings almost always result in a severing of a player's relationship with his employer down the line). Yahoo Sports' Dmitry Chesnokov argues that it is in fact the KHL which has a much more "restrictive" policy about young free agents whose rights remain with their employers, and he wonders whether the IIHF can possibly police the issue)

July 23, Yahoo Sports: Things are done different in the KHL regarding RFAs. An RFA must sign a qualifying offer from his team. No arbitration. A player remains an RFA in Russia until he is 28. There is a "way out": Paying a third of the contract "price" to his KHL team. But who wants to do that?

KHL is trying to market itself as an international league. But the norms of international law must be followed by the KHL. Employment contracts must always have the beginning and the end. Interminable employment contract should not exist the way they do in the KHL. Both sides should be able to end the contract. A player should not be forced to sign a qualifying offer and remain with his team until he is 28. He should be able to walk away and play in another league (not another team) if he wishes.

In cases of [restrcited free agents Evgeni] Dadonov, [Denis] Parshin and [sergei] Shirokov their Russian teams want to bind them to a contract they don't want. If it were the NHL, the player would be able to opt out of the qualifying offers, not file for arbitration and leave for another league.

The argument of compensation for nurturing young players does not hold water because the regulation applies to all RFA's in the KHL. Two young very prospective Swedish kids -- Linus Omark (drafted by Edmonton in 2007, 97th overall) and Johan Harju (drafted by Lightning in 2007, 167th overall) -- signed with Dynamo Moscow earlier this year. This means that they too won't be able to play in the NHL until they are 28 (or if they pay a "compensation" to their KHL club). International league following international law? Not so much.

(Why does the fate of restricted Russian free agents matter?)

The stream of young talent coming from Europe may be reduced by the KHL regulations regarding contractual obligations of restricted free agents if the NHL agrees with it. In cases of Dadonov, it is obvious that they do not.

Appealing to the IIHF is not going to do any good. Let's not forget that this organization is run part-time by a dentist who is probably better served doing root canals than getting to the root of the disagreement between the two most powerful forces in world hockey. The IIHF reminds me of the League of Nations: It's there but has no real power. It depends too much on the money from sponsors, including Russian oil-dollars, to hold their tournaments in Europe.

If the NHL and the KHL are to agree on the transfer agreement, it has to be between them.

(Fasel's inability to do much of anything of substance is why the KHL, despite its insistence to the contrary, won't force Hudler to return to the NHL. The KHL essentially does what it wants, "gentleman's agreement" to not sign each other's unrestricted free agents included.)

[eva unit zero 271]

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/07/th...restricted.html

The KHL's stance on 'restricted free agents,' IIHF's inability to police them bode poorly for Jiri Hudler's return to Red Wings

(George's take: The Red Wings fully believe that the NHL's protestations of Jiri Hudler's decision to sign with Dynamo Moscow of the KHL will not force Hudler to return to North America after his salary arbitration hearing (and Fox Sports' Spector duly noted that arbitration hearings almost always result in a severing of a player's relationship with his employer down the line). Yahoo Sports' Dmitry Chesnokov argues that it is in fact the KHL which has a much more "restrictive" policy about young free agents whose rights remain with their employers, and he wonders whether the IIHF can possibly police the issue)

July 23, Yahoo Sports: Things are done different in the KHL regarding RFAs. An RFA must sign a qualifying offer from his team. No arbitration. A player remains an RFA in Russia until he is 28. There is a "way out": Paying a third of the contract "price" to his KHL team. But who wants to do that?

KHL is trying to market itself as an international league. But the norms of international law must be followed by the KHL. Employment contracts must always have the beginning and the end. Interminable employment contract should not exist the way they do in the KHL. Both sides should be able to end the contract. A player should not be forced to sign a qualifying offer and remain with his team until he is 28. He should be able to walk away and play in another league (not another team) if he wishes.

In cases of [restrcited free agents Evgeni] Dadonov, [Denis] Parshin and [sergei] Shirokov their Russian teams want to bind them to a contract they don't want. If it were the NHL, the player would be able to opt out of the qualifying offers, not file for arbitration and leave for another league.

The argument of compensation for nurturing young players does not hold water because the regulation applies to all RFA's in the KHL. Two young very prospective Swedish kids -- Linus Omark (drafted by Edmonton in 2007, 97th overall) and Johan Harju (drafted by Lightning in 2007, 167th overall) -- signed with Dynamo Moscow earlier this year. This means that they too won't be able to play in the NHL until they are 28 (or if they pay a "compensation" to their KHL club). International league following international law? Not so much.

(Why does the fate of restricted Russian free agents matter?)

The stream of young talent coming from Europe may be reduced by the KHL regulations regarding contractual obligations of restricted free agents if the NHL agrees with it. In cases of Dadonov, it is obvious that they do not.

Appealing to the IIHF is not going to do any good. Let's not forget that this organization is run part-time by a dentist who is probably better served doing root canals than getting to the root of the disagreement between the two most powerful forces in world hockey. The IIHF reminds me of the League of Nations: It's there but has no real power. It depends too much on the money from sponsors, including Russian oil-dollars, to hold their tournaments in Europe.

If the NHL and the KHL are to agree on the transfer agreement, it has to be between them.

(Fasel's inability to do much of anything of substance is why the KHL, despite its insistence to the contrary, won't force Hudler to return to the NHL. The KHL essentially does what it wants, "gentleman's agreement" to not sign each other's unrestricted free agents included.)

Regardless of what Spector or mlive say, Medvedev said that the KHL would not register Hudler's contract until after the arbitration process was complete, and then only if the arbitrator ruled against the team and the team chose not to accept the contract; making Hudler a UFA. If the arbitrator ruled in favor of the team or the team accepted a ruling in favor of the player, Medvedev has said that the KHL would not register the contract Hudler signed because he signed it AFTER he filed for arbitration, meaning he had committed to play for Detroit first. The NHL, IIHF, and KHL are all on board and in agreement here. All we need to do is wait for the hearing.

[HudlerFanatic 4]

Haha - Well hello there. We've missed you. It's been rather boring around here and there you are to the rescue!!!

Haha...thanks i guess! But my reply was taken out of context...I was merely saying why the hell would you move Cleary DOWN to the 3rd line...can people not read what he f'n said?! Or what I wrote for that matter!

Cleary is my #2 player....I think--I don't know maybe Lids is #2 -- I get confused sometimes! HAHA!

But yeah, basically I was trying to be funny when saying why move Cleary down and yes, if most think Huds isn't good enough to play on the 2nd and they say Leino is, then they are saying Leino is more experienced and a better all around playing....

There does that statement require me to take a valium?!?!

Just b/c I make words bigger and put lots of funny faces and write the word shananigans and nonsense--is not any reason to tell me to chill out.....sheeeesh....it was a joke! And I'M the one that needs a valium.....HMPH! I'm sorry you can't laugh at jokes for those of you that are so damn mean! Be nice...its summer time!

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Fans were forgiving of Fedorov after holding out and signing that ridiculous offer sheet from Carolina; I imagine they'd do the same for Hudler if he were to return. Of course, Huds is no Feds, but my point remains the same.

[titanium2 867]

I'm sorry you can't laugh at jokes for those of you that are so damn mean! Be nice...its summer time!

A joke is more like "Dave Tallon got fired? Hawks owners must have researched Kopecky (55fan, major props)" or "When Crosby and Malkin play on the same line the plan is simple. Sometimes Crosby gives and Malkin receives but for the most part Malkin gives it to Crosby and he receives until he stops whining and falls into a coma (I forget, probably some troll)."

[55fan 5,133]

Haha...thanks i guess! But my reply was taken out of context...I was merely saying why the hell would you move Cleary DOWN to the 3rd line...can people not read what he f'n said?! Or what I wrote for that matter!

Cleary is my #2 player....I think--I don't know maybe Lids is #2 -- I get confused sometimes! HAHA!

But yeah, basically I was trying to be funny when saying why move Cleary down and yes, if most think Huds isn't good enough to play on the 2nd and they say Leino is, then they are saying Leino is more experienced and a better all around playing....

There does that statement require me to take a valium?!?!

Just b/c I make words bigger and put lots of funny faces and write the word shananigans and nonsense--is not any reason to tell me to chill out.....sheeeesh....it was a joke! And I'M the one that needs a valium.....HMPH! I'm sorry you can't laugh at jokes for those of you that are so damn mean! Be nice...its summer time!

Hudler and Cleary have very different talents and strengths. It is not a matter of who is better or more experienced, but rather it is a matter of who is the better fit with particular linemates. The same statement could be made putting Leino's name in for that of Hudler or Cleary.

However, if you put Franzen's name in that sentence, in comparison to Cleary, then you get a more notable similarity than difference. Since their role is similar, they are redundant.

I did go back and re-read both your post and the post to which you were referring.

Thank you for clearing up the matter of Cleary being one of your favourite players. It now makes it much more fathomable that you would go all "make words bigger and put lots of funny faces" on us, not to mention the excessive ellipses in places where there is no need for punctuation whilst running right through places where punctuation would be so very handy. Using the internet equivalents of shouting, dramatics, and hyperventilation is a perfectly normal reaction for a woman defending one of her favourites. No Valium is needed.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I don't see why people want to have Franzen and Cleary on the same line.

Franzen is a cleary with better hands. Why would we want two players of that similar skillset on the second line?

[Peleshob 0]

I don't see why people want to have Franzen and Cleary on the same line.

Franzen is a cleary with better hands. Why would we want two players of that similar skillset on the second line?

This is what I said earlier too. I can see Franzen carrying the puck more (like you said, better hands) but for the most part you want two other guys handling it more than Cleary and Franzen. They're good with causing havoc in front of the net. I really have a feeling that Holmstrom might not do as well and will be moved down to the third line with Helm and whoever, moving Cleary up to the first.

[Peleshob 0]

Franzen has decent hands, but I'm not sold on his puck handling/passing...Damn nice shot though

I'm definitely sold on his puck handling ability. The way he drives the net through the defensive zone without getting the puck picked off is a testament to how his puck controlling skills have improved. But I definitely agree with you on the passing aspect of his game. That's where I hope Flip or Leino can step up with puck distribution. And of course whoever is on the back end (presumably Kronner and Stuart with the 2nd line) will help too.

[Doc Holiday 0]

I answer that by asking you - why wouldn't we?

IMO we lacked the ability to keep the puck deep in our opponents zone these past Finals...Guys like Cleary/Franzen are guys whom are capable of cycling the puck down low, getting under the skin of the opposing Dmen/goalie, and both are quite capable of scoring alot of those ugly goals.

If anything - move Franzen to the top line, and put Homer down on the 2nd to play with Cleary, and "X" at center.

If Homer can do what he did in 08 then he is essentially useless anywhere else.

If Franzen is bumped up Cleary should take second line.

I also don't think Cleary would play terribly well with Franzen. Just an instinct.

Edited July 24, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[uk_redwing 495]

Regardless of what Spector or mlive say, Medvedev said that the KHL would not register Hudler's contract until after the arbitration process was complete, and then only if the arbitrator ruled against the team and the team chose not to accept the contract; making Hudler a UFA. If the arbitrator ruled in favor of the team or the team accepted a ruling in favor of the player, Medvedev has said that the KHL would not register the contract Hudler signed because he signed it AFTER he filed for arbitration, meaning he had committed to play for Detroit first. The NHL, IIHF, and KHL are all on board and in agreement here. All we need to do is wait for the hearing.

I shall repeat, the NHL said TWO DAYS AGO theres nothing they can do to stop Hudler playing the KHL next season. Please move on with your life and find a new player to jizz stats over.

[eva unit zero 271]

I shall repeat, the NHL said TWO DAYS AGO theres nothing they can do to stop Hudler playing the KHL next season. Please move on with your life and find a new player to jizz stats over.

And Medvedev said he would not register the contract. Medvedev CAN stop Hudler from playing in the KHL.