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#21 Echolalia

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:04 AM

QUOTE (hckypete96 @ August 13, 2009 - 08:06PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
jesus christ people it was a god damn marketing gimmick created in the late 90s its not that big of af****** deal.


While it is a copyrighted term that was originally made for marketing purposes, the fans and media have pushed it to become a symbol. That's why it is somewhat relevant today when people argue that Detroit isn't passionate enough to have the Hockeytown moniker.
In any event, Hockeytown as a symbol represents the entire state of Michigan (as well as some nearby parts of Canada), and as such, there shouldn't be any argument against us bearing the title. Michigan claims more youth involvement in hockey organizations than anywhere in the country; there is a strong college history pertaining to hockey, including an annual collegiate tournament based around teams focused primarily around Michigan and the Cold War (which was not only a monumental occasion for college-level hockey, but for the game in general); While times are currently hard, Wings fans still make themselves heard at local bars and opponent venues (general knowlege that the Wings have the best nation-wide support). There is never a quiet night in Hockeytown Cafe, which is appropriate enough; The passion for the Wings regardless of whether corporate executives or blue-collar Andys fill the Joe tops that of the Pistons, Tigers and Lions, which cannot be said for any other state. Oh, and I suppose I should mention something about four Stanley Cups, five finals berths, countless Presidents' Trophies, and Hall of Famers that have passed through the area, but then it wouldn't be fair smile.gif
So even if you take the "Hockeytown as a symbol" route, I still don't see any problem with it remaining with Detroit.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE (VM1138 @ August 13, 2009 - 06:00PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was thinking today about people who claim Detroit isn't "Hockeytown" anymore. We all know the type. Well anyway, their usual attack is that the Wings fans aren't loud, or that the arena doesn't fill up anymore, or whatever else sort of asinine theory they come up with.

But it occurred to me today that Detroit is Hockeytown, not RedWingstown (Which is what its critics tend to imply). Sure, the city may be down on its luck and the WIngs suffer attendance as a result, but really, the level of hockey interest goes beyond mere Red Wings.

In Detroit and the surrounding region (since I'm not from within Detroit itself) I've seen many Penguins, Avalanche, Leafs, Wings, Blue Jackets, Blackhawks, Sabres and yes, even Lightning fans. These far outweigh what I see in Steelers, Packers, Yankees, etc. clothing and hats around the region.

So even if not everyone is a Wings fan, they certainly are hockey fans. I've traveled the country, and I've seen more of an accumulation of fans of many hockey teams than anywhere else.

So give Detroit and the region credit, it really is Hockeytown.

Random rant over.


This is exactly where the slogan came from... it's not about cheering your team on and being loud all of the time, the Joe was never that way, although from time to time it can be, but more the mindset that everyone from the region really appreciates their hockey. I remember a couple years ago the Los Angeles papers were saying that Anaheim was Hockeytown, not Detroit. But it is more than just some fair-weather fans screaming aimlessly into the rafters. I remember about the time the slogan was coined, about 1996ish, all that me and my friends wanted to do was play hockey, all the time. Our whole class would go to the rec center after school and play floor hockey a couple times a week, and that passion amongst kids is still there. Times have just been tough in Detroit for the past few years, back to even 2006ish, and it has shown in attendance, but for all of you ignorant people who believe that Hockeytown is just a mere slogan which should be tagged on the team with the loudest, most obnoxious fans in the NHL, you're wrong, it represents the pure enjoyment of the sport for an entire region whose culmination of this is displayed by OUR TEAM, the Red Wings. So to all of those fair-weather fans in Southern California who decided to come out and risk frost-bite for an entire spring to cheer for the Ducks, you can say whatever you want, but you will NEVER understand why DETROIT IS HOCKEYTOWN!!

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (SouthernWingsFan @ August 13, 2009 - 06:35PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hockeytown is a slogan, nothing more/less. That's neither good/bad, it just is what it is and there's no need to take it out of context IMO for a lack of fanbase, not-so-rowdy fanbase, location, whatever...

Detroit is a solid hockey city/area, so are plenty of other places.


It is more than a slogan, pal... but you wouldn't know that seeing as you live in LOUISIANA.

Just read my last post, maybe you will start to understand.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:00 AM

The US Junior Development Camp is in Ann Arbor.
The NHL prospects' tourney is in Traverse City.

Red Kelly #4 and Larry Aurie #6 belong in the rafters!!!

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE (Zion @ August 13, 2009 - 07:59PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hate you.

Let's just sell off all of our assets, build a new arena, and start from square one. New, trendy music, new jerseys (complete with black 3rd jerseys), ice girls and a big, fluffy mascot. Be 30th in the league for a few years and see how we do in 5 years.

Easy there tiger - put down the hatorade...You don't need to rant about making drastic changes - which I never alluded to...Just that the "Hockeytown" moniker IMO is a bit dated...I'm not from Detroit (neither are you) so it may not bother me as much as those who live there, but I've been a die-hard Red Wing fan since 1984, and that alone says enough.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:01 AM

QUOTE (Echolalia @ August 14, 2009 - 08:04AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While it is a copyrighted term that was originally made for marketing purposes, the fans and media have pushed it to become a symbol. That's why it is somewhat relevant today when people argue that Detroit isn't passionate enough to have the Hockeytown moniker.
In any event, Hockeytown as a symbol represents the entire state of Michigan (as well as some nearby parts of Canada), and as such, there shouldn't be any argument against us bearing the title. Michigan claims more youth involvement in hockey organizations than anywhere in the country; there is a strong college history pertaining to hockey, including an annual collegiate tournament based around teams focused primarily around Michigan and the Cold War (which was not only a monumental occasion for college-level hockey, but for the game in general); While times are currently hard, Wings fans still make themselves heard at local bars and opponent venues (general knowlege that the Wings have the best nation-wide support). There is never a quiet night in Hockeytown Cafe, which is appropriate enough; The passion for the Wings regardless of whether corporate executives or blue-collar Andys fill the Joe tops that of the Pistons, Tigers and Lions, which cannot be said for any other state. Oh, and I suppose I should mention something about four Stanley Cups, five finals berths, countless Presidents' Trophies, and Hall of Famers that have passed through the area, but then it wouldn't be fair smile.gif
So even if you take the "Hockeytown as a symbol" route, I still don't see any problem with it remaining with Detroit.


Spot on. You hit the nail on the head, it is not just the "Red Wings" thing.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:25 AM

whether or not detroit is hockeytown may be different depending on who you ask, it really baffles me when people try to use the red wings on ice success as justification. i much prefer someone like echolalia who can give reasoning. to me its not about how many cups the wings have won. its about fan passion and support.

in a baseball example, i would argue the chicago cubs are more of 'baseballtown' than the yankees. sure the yankees are hands down the most successful team on the field, but the cubs have a fan support across the country seconded by no one. the cubs also have a strong element i feel is crucial: supportig the team when they suck.

thats why places like chicago and pittsburgh will not be able to be in the hockeytown discussion anytime soon. because just a few years ago no one cared about either team.

on a personal note, i have always liked to tell people that the reason i got into hockey was because of nhl 94 on sega. my favorite team was the red wings, so i stuck with them in real life. i have become a passionate fan over the years despite not being able to go to a game in person. as people have mentioned, the nationwide fan base goes a long way to show that the wings are a very popular team, but i don't know if that really helps make detroit, or michigan in general, hockeytown.

then again my city couldn't keep our ahl team since all our stupid fans just want to see fights. so now we get the goonishness of the ihl... fun!

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (dobbles @ August 14, 2009 - 11:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats why places like chicago and pittsburgh will not be able to be in the hockeytown discussion anytime soon. because just a few years ago no one cared about either team.

That's not really an unusual phenomenon. The Wings weren't very popular when they were terrible either. People won't support a bad product. With the exception of football, which Amercians aref****** bonkers for, myself included.
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:33 AM

Okay I guess the question is if you don't think Detroit is Hockeytown, then what city is?

Nashville's arena is loud but their team still hasn't won a playoff road game ever so I wouldn't say it's them.

Pittsburgh's arena is loud but they were about to lose their team before St. Sidney came on board to save them. That is the definition of bandwagon, so I don't think it's them.

Chicago is the same. No one started caring about their team until this year. Oh and their last Stanley Cup was in 1961 so I wouldn't go with Chicago as Hockeytown.

People say Minnesota should be Hockeytown. And I agree they have a big hockey tradition there. But keep in mind they have never won a Stanley Cup ever and they lost their team the first time.

A few years ago when Buffalo won the President's Trophy Sabres fans wanted to call their city Hockeytown. But their team has gone back to being pretty average and they still have no Stanley Cup to show for it.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE (skacore @ August 13, 2009 - 11:18PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no longer deserving of "Hockeytown"... it's something of the past


Until the Red Wings start playing like the St. Louis Blues, there is no "it's something of the past". 1996-2009 is the Hockeytown Dynasty, as far as I'm concerned (and yes, I know we lost to Colorado in 1996).

QUOTE (F.Michael @ August 14, 2009 - 09:17AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Easy there tiger - put down the hatorade...You don't need to rant about making drastic changes - which I never alluded to...Just that the "Hockeytown" moniker IMO is a bit dated...I'm not from Detroit (neither are you) so it may not bother me as much as those who live there, but I've been a die-hard Red Wing fan since 1984, and that alone says enough.


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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (CenterIce @ August 13, 2009 - 08:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know where I heard it, but I think it sums it up best: Hockeytown is a state of mind. Where ever you are, if you are a fan of the Red Wings, you are in Hockeytown.



Every time this topic is brought up that is how I respond screw the posers if you are a Wings fan you are a part of HOCKEY TOWN no matter were you live

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (DEVILSWATERBOY @ August 14, 2009 - 11:01AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Every time this topic is brought up that is how I respond screw the posers if you are a Wings fan you are a part of HOCKEY TOWN no matter were you live

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE (DEVILSWATERBOY @ August 14, 2009 - 11:01AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Every time this topic is brought up that is how I respond screw the posers if you are a Wings fan you are a part of HOCKEY TOWN no matter were you live

Kinda funny - my sons book "The ABC's of Detroit Red Wings Hockey" says the same thing tongue.gif

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:35 PM



People say Minnesota should be Hockeytown. And I agree they have a big hockey tradition there. But keep in mind they have never won a Stanley Cup ever and they lost their team the first time.

this is a very interesting idea,to break the tie maybe the team that has beaten both Detriot and Minnesota in the finals should be called hockeytown ?

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Zion @ August 14, 2009 - 10:44AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm from Toledo. That's what we do: rant.

You guys from Toledo are like Detroit's little brother wink.gif

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (p_diddy_datsyuk_13 @ August 14, 2009 - 09:17AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is more than a slogan, pal... but you wouldn't know that seeing as you live in LOUISIANA.

Just read my last post, maybe you will start to understand.


Oh snap. Make way for us REAL hockeytown fans.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (martyrme19 @ August 13, 2009 - 06:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm vacationing with a family right now from Pitt.


I stopped reading right there. Pittsburgh right now is just a cesspool of gremlin morons who think rape is ok as long as you're an athlete.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Dan Bylsma @ August 14, 2009 - 02:35PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People say Minnesota should be Hockeytown. And I agree they have a big hockey tradition there. But keep in mind they have never won a Stanley Cup ever and they lost their team the first time.

this is a very interesting idea,to break the tie maybe the team that has beaten both Detriot and Minnesota in the finals should be called hockeytown ?




Yeah except for the fact that the Pens had no fans until a few years ago and gave away front row seats for $8. They were in danger of losing their team too.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (tommingthepuck96 @ August 14, 2009 - 12:10AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the other hand, the wings are probably the most popular team in the NHL outside of detroit.. Im always amazed at the number of red wing bumper stickers/red wing flags i see here in san diego its seriously surprising to see so many wing fans in such a low hockey venue area.. And in the regular season its almost like home games when the wings visit teams like ATL/LA/TB/PHX


Interestingly enough, my friend is teaching English in Asia and she says that people in Taiwan and Thailand have asked her for her Red Wings paraphernalia. They ask me, "Where did you get that? Can I buy that from you?" Kind of cool.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 01:51 PM

If any area is considered a plausible alternative to Detroit as Hockeytown, it's certainly not Pittsburgh.

I am willing to give them props for winning the Cup and turning around a franchise that was about to call in the moving vans, but from a cultural standpoint, football is what dominates that area.

Western Pennsylvania/Eastern Ohio is a big-time football region. In fact, it's where American football originated. It goes back to the days of the Allegheny Athletic Association.

Think of some the great players from that area like Joe Namath, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Johnny Unitas, and that's just the quarterbacks! There's also the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the history and tradition of the Steelers, the terrible towels and the Steel Curtain.

I'll give the Pens their due, but there's no way that a couple of Cup Finals appearances, with one Cup, trumps the influence of football on that region.





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