Nicklin3011 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=rm-n...o&type=lgns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Chicago #2? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Chicago #2? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Chicago is going to be solid this season. That's not that far-fetched. They'll pose a bigger threat to winning the division than NSH did in the 06/07 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Chicago is going to be solid this season. That's not that far-fetched. They'll pose a bigger a threat to winning the division than NSH did in the 05/06 season. I know, they will be good, perhaps my LOL was to long. Its just that how can you have them #2 right now in a power ranking when Hossa will not be there at the start, Kane could be suspended for the begining of the season, and Huet is the starting goalie... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 ^ Well they do have Kopecky right? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 I know, they will be good, perhaps my LOL was to long. Its just that how can you have them #2 right now in a power ranking when Hossa will not be there at the start, Kane could be suspended for the begining of the season, and Huet is the starting goalie... They're the youngest team in the league, they grew leaps and bounds during the postseason, and Crawford will occupy that spot before too long. A lot of teams took backward steps, so please tell me who you think is better than Chicago at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 I think 6th is about right for now. They could easily be the best team if Leino, Helm, Ericsson, and Howard have good seasons, but they're rookies and you can't count on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_winged_wheel 3 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 They're the youngest team in the league, they grew leaps and bounds during the postseason, and Crawford will occupy that spot before too long. A lot of teams took backward steps, so please tell me who you think is better than Chicago at this point. Detroit.....still better up front even with the losses and WAAAAY deeper on defence and I’d have to smoke a lot of crack before I take huet over Osgood. The hawks will push det for the division but will not win it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 They're the youngest team in the league, they grew leaps and bounds during the postseason, and Crawford will occupy that spot before too long. A lot of teams took backward steps, so please tell me who you think is better than Chicago at this point. I don't see how Chicago will be much improved this year. Forwards: Lost Havlat's 77 pts and added Hossa's 71 for 2/3 of the season. D: stayed the same Goalies: lost khabibulin and have to play Huet as the starter. Big downgrade. Crawford is not a quality NHL goalie right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 I had to laugh at the #2 ranking for the Hawks. . . mediocre D and a drop in goaltending and somehow they become the darling of the West. I guess having Hossa for half of the year and Kopecky for a full year jumps them above the Wings. As I recall, the Hawks were dispatched in 5 games. Then it gets better. . . the Canucks at #4. The media swing to talk up ANOTHER year of Roberto Luongo has officially begun. This guy is the most successful goalie according to sportswriters between Aug and the start of the reg season. Then somehow he disappears into mediocrity. The Sammy addition vaults them above the Wings too. Give me a break. These rankings are comical, starting with the Pens. I'll say it now, Pens will not get out of Round 2 next year. A true Cup hangover will be on display in Pitt this year. They did nothing to help their average D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Detroit.....still better up front even with the losses and WAAAAY deeper on defence and I’d have to smoke a lot of crack before I take huet over Osgood. The hawks will push det for the division but will not win it. I never said they weren't. I was referring to comparisons amongst the other 28 teams. Who said anything about Huet over Osgood, I most certainly didn't. I also didn't say the Wings won't win the division, but they will be pushed harder for it this year then in recent years past. If people don't see that, they've got the blinders on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 and I’d have to smoke a lot of crack before I take huet over Osgood. Welcome to my sig line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 I had to laugh at the #2 ranking for the Hawks. . . mediocre D and a drop in goaltending and somehow they become the darling of the West. I guess having Hossa for half of the year and Kopecky for a full year jumps them above the Wings. As I recall, the Hawks were dispatched in 5 games. Then it gets better. . . the Canucks at #4. The media swing to talk up ANOTHER year of Roberto Luongo has officially begun. This guy is the most successful goalie according to sportswriters between Aug and the start of the reg season. Then somehow he disappears into mediocrity. The Sammy addition vaults them above the Wings too. Give me a break. These rankings are comical, starting with the Pens. I'll say it now, Pens will not get out of Round 2 next year. A true Cup hangover will be on display in Pitt this year. They did nothing to help their average D. I agree they shouldn't be ahead of the Wings. If history has proven anything, its that the Wings will be in the same shape they have been for the past 15 years, which is at or right below the number one spot in the NHL. That doesn't mean the Blackhawks won't push and aren't a better team then they were last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 I never said they weren't. I was referring to comparisons amongst the other 28 teams. I also didn't say the Wings won't win the division, but they will be pushed harder for it this year then in recent years past. If people don't see that, they've got the blinders on. If Babs has this team come out of the gate on fire (Oct and Nov) and they can put up 30+ points, Wings coast to the division title. Hawks will be playing catch up all year. I see it too often that teams are not prepared to start the season. Hopefully, Wings take both in Sweden and then slap the boys from Chi-town at the Joe to set the tone. Hawks may score a lot this year, but their D and goaltending will give up more, especially when playing Detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gutierrez 7 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 How is Calgary ranked ahead of Anaheim?! I also think San Jose at 10 is a little low, they should be higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 How is Calgary ranked ahead of Anaheim?! I also think San Jose at 10 is a little low, they should be higher. Calgary got Bouwmeester while Anaheim lost Pronger. On paper I suppose that's enough for work at home columnists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 They're the youngest team in the league, they grew leaps and bounds during the postseason, and Crawford will occupy that spot before too long. A lot of teams took backward steps, so please tell me who you think is better than Chicago at this point. for the START OF THE SEASON when Chicago is WITHOUT HOSSA and possibly Kane I would say: Pittsburgh, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington and Anaheim should all easily be ahead of them. I would probably also have Vancouver, San Jose, and Calgary ahead of them at this point. Granted that will change when Hossa comes back but for now I would have them about 10. Huet is not a very good goalie, they have an above average defense, and when they get everyone back they have a very good offense but take away the best two wingers from any team and the offense isn't going to be very good. (I am operating under the assumption that Kane will be suspended for at least the first couple of games?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 If Babs has this team come out of the gate on fire (Oct and Nov) and they can put up 30+ points, Wings coast to the division title. Hawks will be playing catch up all year. I see it too often that teams are not prepared to start the season. Hopefully, Wings take both in Sweden and then slap the boys from Chi-town at the Joe to set the tone. Hawks may score a lot this year, but their D and goaltending will give up more, especially when playing Detroit. Once again, not saying they won't....but what makes you so sure your scenario will take place. The Wings, while still stacked had a quite a bit of roster turnover, while the Hawks added firepower. Yeah they lost some pieces, but they've also gained some great experience last year and probably quite a bit of hunger. The Wings have played in the SCF's the past two years and made it to the WCF's the year before. They're older and have to be more worn out than a younger, more well rested team. Again, I'm not saying the Wings aren't better than the Hawks....*they are,* but its not so inconceivable that the Wings will be pushed by a young, talented squad. It seems as though far too many Wings fans have this superiority complex and as a result can never give another team credit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 for the START OF THE SEASON when Chicago is WITHOUT HOSSA and possibly Kane I would say: Pittsburgh, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington and Anaheim should all easily be ahead of them. I would probably also have Vancouver, San Jose, and Calgary ahead of them at this point. Granted that will change when Hossa comes back but for now I would have them about 10. Huet is not a very good goalie, they have an above average defense, and when they get everyone back they have a very good offense but take away the best two wingers from any team and the offense isn't going to be very good. (I am operating under the assumption that Kane will be suspended for at least the first couple of games?) Until Kane's suspended no one can assume they'll be without him. Chicago beat both Vancouver and Calgary in the postseason when their inexperience was supposed to show. Huet isn't a very good goalie, but there's far worse and he's serviceable. Chicago isn't worse than half the teams you listed. Anaheim should not be ahead of them given their offseason and Washington is debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Until Kane's suspended no one can assume they'll be without him. Chicago beat both Vancouver and Calgary in the postseason when their inexperience was supposed to show. Huet isn't a very good goalie, but there's far worse and he's serviceable. Chicago isn't worse than half the teams you listed. Washington and Anaheim should not be ahead of them. Washington took the stanley cup champs to 7 games. Anaheim is much better than Chicago: Hiller is WAY better than Huet, even with losing Pronger they have a better defense than Chicago and even though I hate them I would take Getzlaf/Perry over Toews/Kane anyday. Don't forget too that Chicago lost Havlat who led the team in points last year and his replacment will miss the begining of the season. Even if Kane isn't suspended they won't have a great offense until Hossa gets back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 Once again, not saying they won't....but what makes you so sure your scenario will take place. The Wings, while still stacked had a quite a bit of roster turnover, while the Hawks added firepower. Yeah they lost some pieces, but they've also gained some great experience last year and probably quite a bit of hunger. The Wings have played in the SCF's the past two years and made it to the WCF's the year before. They're older and have to be more worn out than a younger, more well rested team. Again, I'm not saying the Wings aren't better than the Hawks....*they are,* but its not so inconceivable that the Wings will be pushed by a young, talented squad. It seems as though far too many Wings fans have this superiority complex and as a result can never give another team credit. Yes, the Wings had turnover, but the loss of Hossa from the Wings is negated by his absence for the first part of the season (I really don't think he'll be on the ice until Jan). Huet has never won anything and the Hawks made no improvement, zero, to their most glaring problem. . . their D. Wings only need to shuffle a few players. They still have two solid lines of O and D. The 3rd line will be fun to watch with Helm and whoever plays with him. As I said, a quick start sets the tone. I also believe issues within an organization begin at the top. And with ALL the Hawks need to address next off-season, some of that turmoil may filter down to the ice. . . especially when your name is Toews, Kane or Keith and you start hearing you may not be back with the team (Personally, I think Kane should be the one, but since they made him the face of the Hawks, they'll keep him and probably let Keith go) If Huet screws the pooch early, the headhunters will be out in Chicago bitching about the Hossa signing because that money could have been better spent on improving the D, thus helping out Huet. . . no too far-fetched, IMO. I don't have my blinders on, I am just not convinced that the Hawks improved enough to SERIOUSLY contend with the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selke13 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 vancouver @ 4 is more funny than chicago @ 2 i think detroit should still be ahead of them since they beat chicago, who beat vancouver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicklin3011 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) lol you Detwat fans are on crack...Medicore D? We have the best D Core in the league. SEABROOK AND KEITH probably the best pairing in the league. Barker showed how good he is on both O and D last year. CAmpbell offensive force with average defense and Hjalmarsson showing how good of a stay at home D man he is. Wow lay off the pipe Detroit. Huet showed he can win with MTL, and Wash...not to mention he won 20+ with Chicago in limited starts. The Blackhawks have one of the best offenses in the league without Havlat and Hossa. All 4 lines can score...when November rolls around and Hossa is on the Ice look the f*** out. Detroits run is over..sorry Edited August 14, 2009 by Nicklin3011 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 lol you Detwat fans are on crack...Medicore D? We have the best D Core in the league. SEABROOK AND KEITH probably the best pairing in the league. Barker showed how good he is on both O and D last year. CAmpbell offensive force with average defense and Hjalmarsson showing how good of a stay at home D man he is. Wow lay off the pipe Detroit. Huet showed he can win with MTL, and Wash...not to mention he won 20+ with Chicago in limited starts. The Blackhawks have one of the best offenses in the league without Havlat and Hossa. All 4 lines can score...when November rolls around and Hossa is on the Ice look the f*** out. Detroits run is over..sorry Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2009 lol you Detwat fans are on crack...Medicore D? We have the best D Core in the league. SEABROOK AND KEITH probably the best pairing in the league. Barker showed how good he is on both O and D last year. CAmpbell offensive force with average defense and Hjalmarsson showing how good of a stay at home D man he is. Wow lay off the pipe Detroit. Huet showed he can win with MTL, and Wash...not to mention he won 20+ with Chicago in limited starts. The Blackhawks have one of the best offenses in the league without Havlat and Hossa. All 4 lines can score...when November rolls around and Hossa is on the Ice look the f*** out. Detroits run is over..sorry Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh, had to catch my breath on that laughfest. . . Yes, your D core is THE BEST. . . THE BEST at turning it over and having games decided in the WCF. Huet may have shown he can win in MTL and WASH, but if I remember correctly, he's not there any more. The icing on the cake is you are stating that minus Havlat's 77 points AND Hossa's 71 points, the Hawks have one of the BEST? offenses in the league. Now, be honest, who's smoking crack? If you think Hossa is back in Nov, keep hitting that pipe. Hawks better do something this year, because the team falls apart next off-season and you get to swallow 30% of the cap with Huet, Campbell, and one-armed Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites