HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Why not? He would offer less so he wouldn't give up as many draft picks and its not like theres any huge superstar RFA's to save an offer sheet for. I doubt he would do it but not because he doesn't want to waste an offer sheet on a solid 3rdliner. Generally, in order to get a player by means of offersheet, it requires an offer that the other team would not match..........aka it would mean the Wings would have to overpay a third liner. Thats just a silly use of an offersheet, and something a GM like Holland wouldn't do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 You say that as if it's isn't fun. Ok, I'll give you that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 2011-2012 Detroit Red Wings will lead the league in all-time team penalty minutes, fighting majors and fewest goals-against. You heard it here first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 2011-2012 Detroit Red Wings will lead the league in all-time team penalty minutes, fighting majors and fewest goals-against. You heard it here first. We can dream I guess... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 I can see Holland going after Peters as 13th forward... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) We can dream I guess... The year: 1995/1996 The Players: Matthew Barnaby, Brad May and Rob Ray The Stat: Combined for 917 minutes in penalties. 2008/2009 Detroit Redwings The Stat: Entire team, 26 players, combined for 798 minutes in penalties. In case anybody wonders, the 95/96 Sabres as a team combined for 2181 PIMS!!! I miss the Kocur/Probert days. s***, I miss the Kocur, Rouse, Ward, Pushor, Lapointe, McCarty days. When is the last time we had a guy who was as tough and willing as Bob Rouse! BOB FREAKING ROUSE! At least he manned up. And was a regular. How much is it to ask for somebody like that anymore? Edited August 17, 2009 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) Man, I forgot about that fight! That slo-mo at the end is great! Staubitz was elbowing the s*** out of Tootoo's face one after another. esteef Edited August 17, 2009 by esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 A-fricken-men! Back then it was damn near required for any Canadian kid to learn how to defend himself, or a teammate; guys like Rouse, and Jamie Macoun were the norm...Today we see guys like Crosby ***** to the refs to ensure their justice dude Crosby is the face of his franchise he should never have to fight...but he still does occasionally and he's shown some balls IMO to step in for himself or teammates if necessary I think better examples would be: Brad Stuart, Jason Williams, Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 The year: 1995/1996 The Players: Matthew Barnaby, Brad May and Rob Ray The Stat: Combined for 917 minutes in penalties. 2008/2009 Detroit Redwings The Stat: Entire team, 26 players, combined for 798 minutes in penalties. In case anybody wonders, the 95/96 Sabres as a team combined for 2181 PIMS!!! I miss the Kocur/Probert days. s***, I miss the Kocur, Rouse, Ward, Pushor, Lapointe, McCarty days. When is the last time we had a guy who was as tough and willing as Bob Rouse! BOB FREAKING ROUSE! At least he manned up. And was a regular. How much is it to ask for somebody like that anymore? Ahhh GST? I think you forget how bad our penalty kill was last year. Although I suppose killing off that many PIMS (they can't all be fighting majors, can they?) would've helped tune the kill for the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 dude Crosby is the face of his franchise he should never have to fight...but he still does occasionally and he's shown some balls IMO to step in for himself or teammates if necessary I think better examples would be: Brad Stuart, Jason Williams, Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby I have to agree with you. The Pens don't need Crosby's hands to get banged up fighting. That's not why they're paying the kid nearly 9 million a season. Leave the fighting to 3rd and 4th liners. It is pretty disappointing that a guy like Stuart isn't a fighter, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 No I don't expect Crosby to fight - however it's players like him that'll whine to the refs to get pen called. What do you mean? Players like... Captains? It's kind of their job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 No - cry babies. Anyone remember guys like Clark, and Gilmour?... When s*** went down - they'd man-up...Simple as that. None of this running to the refs to complain. Like, Yzerman, right? Oh wait, Yzerman dropped the gloves ONCE. He has also been kicked out of a game for bitching at a ref. Is he a crybaby too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Like, Yzerman, right? Oh wait, Yzerman dropped the gloves ONCE. He has also been kicked out of a game for bitching at a ref. Is he a crybaby too? Let's not forget that Yzerman played with: Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Lapointe, Shanahan... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 17, 2009 Oh wait, Yzerman dropped the gloves ONCE. Not to pile on, but - you know better than that, right? Lidstrom fought only once (hit the ice pretty quick as I recall), figured out that he sucks at it and never fought again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 17, 2009 I have to agree with you. The Pens don't need Crosby's hands to get banged up fighting. That's not why they're paying the kid nearly 9 million a season. Leave the fighting to 3rd and 4th liners. It is pretty disappointing that a guy like Stuart isn't a fighter, though. He should lose his Canadian citizenship for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2009 Not to pile on, but - you know better than that, right? Lidstrom fought only once (hit the ice pretty quick as I recall), figured out that he sucks at it and never fought again. Do you understand my point? (I'll retract the one fighting major, I only remember him fighting one time back against Buffalo. Captains don't have to fight to be considered great leaders. His entire premise was that Crosby was a whiner for going to the refs instead of dropping the mits. Let's not forget that Yzerman played with: Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Lapointe, Shanahan... Irrelevant. Crosby played with players like Talbot, Laraque, Rutuu, etc. The Crosby is a whiny baby crapola is getting old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 18, 2009 You'd think a kid from western Canada would be dropping the mitts from time to time. Especially a kid that plays the style he does. He's one of the biggest hitters out there but his gloves are cemented on. Cleary has shown he can go but he never did either when he was a 3rd line guy. After the jaw though I don't expect it out of him now. Its too bad about Stuart, he had 3 fights one season. I don't expect guys like Cleary and Stuart to fight often but tough Canadian boys should be able to answer the bell everynow and then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 18, 2009 In all honesty I'm surprised Stewie doesn't get challenged more often after some of his big hits; same can been said of Kronwall. Yeah I've only seen Kronwall get challenged a couple times and really they weren't invites to fight they were kind of he didn't have a chance to oblige. Byfuglien after the hit on Havlat and I remember him getting swarmed against Nashville by some guys after a big hit on the way to the cup. After that hit on Umberger this year I can't beleive anyone even looked twice at Stuart. Talk about laying over and dying for Columbus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 18, 2009 Do you understand my point? (I'll retract the one fighting major, I only remember him fighting one time back against Buffalo. Yes I do, and I agree with your point 100%. I just didn't agree with the Yzerman misstatement. Yzerman actually did pick the occasional fight, drop the gloves and attempt to fight backwhen jumped (rather than turtling), etc. His heart didn't pump Kool Aid. I get sick of the Crosby=whiner stuff too. If his whining were as awful as some here say it is, then it would almost certainly irritate the refs, and end up being counter-productive. We should applaud that, especially when we're playing against him. Crosby might just go on to retire as not only a better player than Yzerman, but perhaps a better Captain as well. It isn't likely, but it isn't impossible. Wings fans tend to forget the mistakes of young Captain Yzerman. When young he was very human. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Stuart has had concussion problems, so he probably doesn't want to end up like how Lilja is now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
