downey signed by coyotes

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

He is a good fighter, im not denying that, im saying he isn't cut for the nhl, he can't do anything but fight, he can't hit which takes as much brawn as fighting, at least a guy Boogaard can crush someones bowel anatomy into paste when he hits them and strikes fear into anyone who looks at him.

Its not like he ONLY fights and thats it,hes a good guy in the locker room for the younger players

[jollymania 162]

If he wasn't cut for the NHL, he wouldn't be playing in it. The fact that several teams in recent years (including the Wings) have signed him shows that they believe he can do something to add to their team.

You make it sound like he can't skate five feet without falling down or something.

I think they like him as a locker room guy, but the fact that he has bounced aroudn shows nobody wants to keep him around for long, I may be understating his entire role but i do think he has great fighting capabilities but for real his asset as a fighter is completely overshadowed by his troublesome hockey playing abilities. He adds 1 dimension, if you have room for that fine, but I think most NHL teams don't need that kind of player. Especially now as more people begin to play hockey and you see guys with skill (Carcillo - wish he woudl use it, Lucic, Getzlaf, ect..) who can also fight, if a GM is building a team you go with that, and if you need a heavyweight to beat the s*** out of someone who cheapshots a star player there are plenty of large guys out there that do more than just fight. If the nhl rids itself of players like downey in favor of more skilled players who fight and not just guys who are solely good at fighting it will be a far better league. Fights shouldn't be for the fighters, it should be for when someone is cheapshotted, it is just silly to see these fights off the first faceoff that prove nothing, but that guy won or lost on hockeyfights.com. I want to see an enforcer beat the pulpy gory s*** out of a guy like tootoo or gary roberts who just took a cheapshot on a star player rather than them fighting each other to see who can get skacore to like them better. Downey did a little bit of both but not nearly enough of the latter. I love fighting when it is warranted but when I hear people praising Downey for accomplishing about nothing but a few vids on hockeyfights or drop your gloves is beyond me.

[jollymania 162]

Its not like he ONLY fights and thats it,hes a good guy in the locker room for the younger players

and ive mentioned that several times

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I think they like him as a locker room guy, but the fact that he has bounced aroudn shows nobody wants to keep him around for long, I may be understating his entire role but i do think he has great fighting capabilities but for real his asset as a fighter is completely overshadowed by his troublesome hockey playing abilities. He adds 1 dimension, if you have room for that fine, but I think most NHL teams don't need that kind of player. Especially now as more people begin to play hockey and you see guys with skill (Carcillo - wish he woudl use it, Lucic, Getzlaf, ect..) who can also fight, if a GM is building a team you go with that, and if you need a heavyweight to beat the s*** out of someone who cheapshots a star player there are plenty of large guys out there that do more than just fight. If the nhl rids itself of players like downey in favor of more skilled players who fight and not just guys who are solely good at fighting it will be a far better league. Fights shouldn't be for the fighters, it should be for when someone is cheapshotted, it is just silly to see these fights off the first faceoff that prove nothing, but that guy won or lost on hockeyfights.com. I want to see an enforcer beat the pulpy gory s*** out of a guy like tootoo or gary roberts who just took a cheapshot on a star player rather than them fighting each other to see who can get skacore to like them better. Downey did a little bit of both but not nearly enough of the latter. I love fighting when it is warranted but when I hear people praising Downey for accomplishing about nothing but a few vids on hockeyfights or drop your gloves is beyond me.

What makes you think that most enforcers around the league have any more skill than Downey does? I don't think they do. For the most part, the top heavies are just guys that fight and do nothing else.

I don't go on other teams' fan sites, but I wonder if any people there complain about having an enforcer in the lineup who can do nothing but fight? In fact, from what I remember on LGW, when Downey was up full-time a few years back, nobody here was complaining about his lack of skill.

[jollymania 162]

What makes you think that most enforcers around the league have any more skill than Downey does? I don't think they do. For the most part, the top heavies are just guys that fight and do nothing else.

I don't go on other teams' fan sites, but I wonder if any people there complain about having an enforcer in the lineup who can do nothing but fight? In fact, from what I remember on LGW, when Downey was up full-time a few years back, nobody here was complaining about his lack of skill.

I don't that's why I prefer guys like Lucic, but I think Downey was such a thrill for everyone that they got blinded, I never thought much of how much of a detriment he was til he was gone, I guess that's easy to do though, I just love razzling the very few people that think he or any other player like him is a god vital to the nhl. I think enforcing is a good thing for the nhl but I think there should be a trend of either signing a beast like Boogaard to stare people down or find a way to teach the smaller "tough guys" some skill.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

I don't that's why I prefer guys like Lucic, but I think Downey was such a thrill for everyone that they got blinded, I never thought much of how much of a detriment he was til he was gone, I guess that's easy to do though, I just love razzling the very few people that think he or any other player like him is a god vital to the nhl. I think enforcing is a good thing for the nhl but I think there should be a trend of either signing a beast like Boogaard to stare people down or find a way to teach the smaller "tough guys" some skill.

Boogaard is a better fighter than Downey, but he's not that much more skilled, if at all.

Then again, how do you define an enforcer that stares people down? It sounds like you have some unrealistic expectation about the role that a tough guy plays.

[numberthirtynine 0]

It's like most sports. We'll see an evolution of(in this case) the enforcer, if it's called for. If teams are really truly looking for skilled fighters in a package that we've rarely seen over the years, we'll see more players like it. The need has to be there, and that's the part that's debatable. In this day and age of the cap, is a fighter even worth it? Does a fight really scare anyone anymore? Of are we still clinging to that mindset of back in the day when it did? Did downey or McCarty really stop anyone from taking runs at us?

Nowdays, the real enforcers are the officials. You take a run at one of Bettman's precious little guys and you'll be sitting. Your suspension will be longer and you'll have every ref's eyes on you all the time and will have your penalties called more liberally and easier. You'll probably gain a rep if you do it a few times. That's more dangerous to me than any fighter in the league. I think it's also why we have players taking liberties with our guys-we're not protected by the officials. Half of the time we're playing against the refs, too, while most teams get help when they need it and some even get handed wins to further the leagues interests.

Some teams are opting for shootout specialists who can at least skate and maintain energy on a 4th line. There's really no one calling for more Lucic type players, even if they are valuable. It's just not high on the list of priorities for some GMs when they think about the tools required to win a Cup at the end of the season. Even if they maybe should be.

Edited September 5, 2009 by numberthirtynine

[Guest micah]

I don't expect homo-erotic behaviors towards Downey.

Well then you're dumb, because Downey is totally hot.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Well then you're dumb, because Downey is totally hot.

manluv4downs

[jollymania 162]

Boogaard is a better fighter than Downey, but he's not that much more skilled, if at all.

Then again, how do you define an enforcer that stares people down? It sounds like you have some unrealistic expectation about the role that a tough guy plays.

Well if you've seen a vid of him vs the ducks when a few guys took liberties on wild non fighters the crowd is going nuts chanting his name then he goes over to Getzlaf and just stares at him, i'm sure Getzlaf was holding his poop in and also Boogaard uses his body to crush pelvises when he hits, Downey is the one being crushed when he goes to make a hit. I agree theres not much variance in the enforcer role but at least Boogaard makes use of what he has. As does a guy like tootoo although tootoo is a worthless dirtbag that is the epitome of why dunces who cant play hockey (granted tootoo has some skill but doesn't care to use it which in essence make him less of a player, instead focusing on bloodying or injuring the opposition) don't belong in the nhl only to injure as many people as possible with borderline hits, and with the instigator rule it is harder for enforcing to be used properly, instead all we see now is guys cowering out of fights after dirty plays and simply going for the pointless youtube fight at center ice. If your gonna try to injure a guy at least make it a clean hit and not a suckerpunch or any other cheapshot you get so often from the goons.

[jollymania 162]

It's like most sports. We'll see an evolution of(in this case) the enforcer, if it's called for. If teams are really truly looking for skilled fighters in a package that we've rarely seen over the years, we'll see more players like it. The need has to be there, and that's the part that's debatable. In this day and age of the cap, is a fighter even worth it? Does a fight really scare anyone anymore? Of are we still clinging to that mindset of back in the day when it did? Did downey or McCarty really stop anyone from taking runs at us?

Nowdays, the real enforcers are the officials. You take a run at one of Bettman's precious little guys and you'll be sitting. Your suspension will be longer and you'll have every ref's eyes on you all the time and will have your penalties called more liberally and easier. You'll probably gain a rep if you do it a few times. That's more dangerous to me than any fighter in the league. I think it's also why we have players taking liberties with our guys-we're not protected by the officials. Half of the time we're playing against the refs, too, while most teams get help when they need it and some even get handed wins to further the leagues interests.

Some teams are opting for shootout specialists who can at least skate and maintain energy on a 4th line. There's really no one calling for more Lucic type players, even if they are valuable. It's just not high on the list of priorities for some GMs when they think about the tools required to win a Cup at the end of the season. Even if they maybe should be.

Exactly the guys who support fighting right now support the novelty of it, it is nothing like it was before, there is minimal enforcing going on these days and most of the time we see it after clean hits which is just foolish and always has been.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Well if you've seen a vid of him vs the ducks when a few guys took liberties on wild non fighters the crowd is going nuts chanting his name then he goes over to Getzlaf and just stares at him, i'm sure Getzlaf was holding his poop in and also Boogaard uses his body to crush pelvises when he hits, Downey is the one being crushed when he goes to make a hit. I agree theres not much variance in the enforcer role but at least Boogaard makes use of what he has. As does a guy like tootoo although tootoo is a worthless dirtbag that is the epitome of why dunces who cant play hockey (granted tootoo has some skill but doesn't care to use it which in essence make him less of a player, instead focusing on bloodying or injuring the opposition) don't belong in the nhl only to injure as many people as possible with borderline hits, and with the instigator rule it is harder for enforcing to be used properly, instead all we see now is guys cowering out of fights after dirty plays and simply going for the pointless youtube fight at center ice. If your gonna try to injure a guy at least make it a clean hit and not a suckerpunch or any other cheapshot you get so often from the goons.

tell a goon like Dave Schultz hes a cheap,dirty litttle *****.you dont see many cheapshots from goons like Riley Cote or Eric Godard or Zach Stortini.

[jollymania 162]

tell a goon like Dave Schultz hes a cheap,dirty litttle *****.you dont see many cheapshots from goons like Riley Cote or Eric Godard or Zach Stortini.

Cause there probably too busy picking their noses in the corner. And out of those Stortini is the only one that actively hits on a regular basis. And what's up with Cote he trains MMA? I mean comon dude at least learn how to hold a hockey stick first.

[Kira 451]

Whether you think he was a good player or not, he was a gracious person off the ice, and I wish him luck.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Cause there probably too busy picking their noses in the corner. And out of those Stortini is the only one that actively hits on a regular basis. And what's up with Cote he trains MMA? I mean comon dude at least learn how to hold a hockey stick first.

Nevertheless,those 3,along with Boogaard, are the top-notch goons in the league.They are always there for their teammates,and will do anything to help their team win.

[jollymania 162]

Nevertheless,those 3,along with Boogaard, are the top-notch goons in the league.They are always there for their teammates,and will do anything to help their team win.

Ill agree with Stortini a bit but I don't think that many guys are afraid of him, Godard doesn't do much for me he seems to take selfish penalties, Cote, idk he jsut looks lost out on the ice similar to Downey and has a smoking hot wife if i recall.

[uk_redwing 495]

Ill agree with Stortini a bit but I don't think that many guys are afraid of him, Godard doesn't do much for me he seems to take selfish penalties, Cote, idk he jsut looks lost out on the ice similar to Downey and has a smoking hot wife if i recall.

You should really stop talking about a subject you obviously have no idea about. If Godard is such a useless enforcer, why did noone take out Crosby last year? Why did noone give Crosby a huge elbow at the end of a playoff game and then fight him? Cos I remember that happened to this other teams superstar...who went on to become invisable as his team failed to win the Cup...wonder which player and which team that was? Hmm...

...mysteries of life!

[jollymania 162]

You should really stop talking about a subject you obviously have no idea about. If Godard is such a useless enforcer, why did noone take out Crosby last year? Why did noone give Crosby a huge elbow at the end of a playoff game and then fight him? Cos I remember that happened to this other teams superstar...who went on to become invisable as his team failed to win the Cup...wonder which player and which team that was? Hmm...

...mysteries of life!

a lot of people took out crosby, I remember one night when Orr hit him liek 5 times. And how about when stuart have him his birthday spanking in Game 6 of the finals? Where was laraque or roberts? I have a whole archive of big hits on crosby from last year. The funniest was seeing crosby go after ballard after a clean check, where was Godard on that one? Not that he needed to be.

Edited September 5, 2009 by jollymania

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

i hope when we play them at the joe he gets a standing O

*waits for preseason injuries in coyotes camp*

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

There are fight slap-happys and there are non-fight slap-happys. Debating one or the other is pointless because neither side will budge.

^ This.

Rinse and reapeat about 10,000 times.

Nothing's ever going to change with anybody.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

a lot of people took out crosby, I remember one night when Orr hit him liek 5 times. And how about when stuart have him his birthday spanking in Game 6 of the finals? Where was laraque or roberts? I have a whole archive of big hits on crosby from last year. The funniest was seeing crosby go after ballard after a clean check, where was Godard on that one? Not that he needed to be.

IMO, this post alone makes you lose hockey knowledge credibility for the following reasons:

A) Game 6 of the finals- Stuart's hit. Enforcer's aren't going to be dressed in the Finals. Their goal is to have the stars healthy and to 'keep the flies off' during the REGULAR season.

B) Checks happen, if there weren't checking of star players then we'd really be the KHL #2. The point is guys like Carcillo aren't out there elbowing Crosby in the corner, or facewashing him every shift. Guys like Goddard police that.

Also, this is a separate point; however, one that needs to be made (again). Yes, my family and I had season tickets all through the 1980s and early 1990s. For those of you that have been to a 1987 Detroit Red Wings game (even though they weren't a Stanley Cup Team), you'd know it, because you couldn't hear the person next to you talk it was so loud. It was rough, and blue collar hockey. Simply put, fans like fights. If it puts people's butts in the seats and gets the crowd pumped, then that's part of it.

Also, Jolly- ever been to a minor league hockey game? I suggest you go to one.

[jollymania 162]

IMO, this post alone makes you lose hockey knowledge credibility for the following reasons:

A) Game 6 of the finals- Stuart's hit. Enforcer's aren't going to be dressed in the Finals. Their goal is to have the stars healthy and to 'keep the flies off' during the REGULAR season.

B) Checks happen, if there weren't checking of star players then we'd really be the KHL #2. The point is guys like Carcillo aren't out there elbowing Crosby in the corner, or facewashing him every shift. Guys like Goddard police that.

Also, this is a separate point; however, one that needs to be made (again). Yes, my family and I had season tickets all through the 1980s and early 1990s. For those of you that have been to a 1987 Detroit Red Wings game (even though they weren't a Stanley Cup Team), you'd know it, because you couldn't hear the person next to you talk it was so loud. It was rough, and blue collar hockey. Simply put, fans like fights. If it puts people's butts in the seats and gets the crowd pumped, then that's part of it.

Also, Jolly- ever been to a minor league hockey game? I suggest you go to one.

Ok proves my point your star players can be injured anyways without an enforcer and an inforcer isn't goign to stop big hitters like Kronwall, Brown, Phaneuf, Sarich, Stuart ect from taking out star players with clean physicality. Ive been to plenty of games and seen plenty of fights live, im not against fighting, I think seeing a guy get pummeled after he makes a dirty play is one of the most amusing things, I just think it is comical how some of you think that the sport is fighting on ice and not hockey and only fighting and seeing big guys out there "enforcing" is entertaining. I think anybody should be beat after a dirty hit but the way you make fighting seem like the crown jewel of all hockey is just silly considering it is one of the most complex sports. I think most people enjoy fighting but true hockey fans appreciate more than just that, who cares how many people want to be conformists and not watch hockey? Having played it and watched it for years and also playing and watching other sports until I got bored of every single one, I know hockey is the best whether there is 12 fights and a line brawl a game or not, and I know people like you wish for such a thing. If the Wings can win a championship without a first class goon, why not? The NHL doesn't revolve around the 4 people in the world who are solely obsessed with fights, I think most people are happy fight or no fight. Like I said I appreciate the fights but it gets old with the few people in here that solely focus on them and have to defend any type of fighting at all cost.

[newfy 695]

Ok proves my point your star players can be injured anyways without an enforcer and an inforcer isn't goign to stop big hitters like Kronwall, Brown, Phaneuf, Sarich, Stuart ect from taking out star players with clean physicality. Ive been to plenty of games and seen plenty of fights live, im not against fighting, I think seeing a guy get pummeled after he makes a dirty play is one of the most amusing things, I just think it is comical how some of you think that the sport is fighting on ice and not hockey and only fighting and seeing big guys out there "enforcing" is entertaining. I think anybody should be beat after a dirty hit but the way you make fighting seem like the crown jewel of all hockey is just silly considering it is one of the most complex sports. I think most people enjoy fighting but true hockey fans appreciate more than just that, who cares how many people want to be conformists and not watch hockey? Having played it and watched it for years and also playing and watching other sports until I got bored of every single one, I know hockey is the best whether there is 12 fights and a line brawl a game or not, and I know people like you wish for such a thing. If the Wings can win a championship without a first class goon, why not? The NHL doesn't revolve around the 4 people in the world who are solely obsessed with fights, I think most people are happy fight or no fight. Like I said I appreciate the fights but it gets old with the few people in here that solely focus on them and have to defend any type of fighting at all cost.

Obviously us fight slappys or knuckle draggers or whatever people want to call us watch hockey for more then just fighting. We're red wings fans for God's sake I think its clear we don't watch for just the fighting.

[jollymania 162]

Obviously us fight slappys or knuckle draggers or whatever people want to call us watch hockey for more then just fighting. We're red wings fans for God's sake I think its clear we don't watch for just the fighting.

Then why are you so slap-happy and belligerent about it (I'm being belligerent back). Sure there cool and w/e but you get to see the wings do it like 10 times a year and all of you sit on hockeyfights.com and drop your gloves anyways, might as well give it up.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

No reason to give it up, fighting has always been a part of hockey and always will be.