Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Article from Bruce MacLeod's Blog: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 Meech looks like only change The Red Wings are on the ice now prepping for Thursday's home opener (I'm not going to call it a North American home opener ... just can't) and it looks like the only lineup change will be Derek Meech in for Brett Lebda on the blue line. Patrick Eaves is practicing as the 13th forward. Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Franzen Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Filppula-Williams Draper-Abdelkader-Maltby (Eaves working in) Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Meech (Lebda working in) Osgood Howard Nothing changes as far as line combinations either. Scratching Lebda is understandable after his slow start. He had an especially difficult Game 1 in terms of turnovers and being caught taking chances. Hopefully his start to this season won't be as slow as his start to last season was. The Brett Lebda in the final quarter of last season is the one that the Red Wings need now. Also, Darren Helm is on the ice, skating on his own. He's not taking part in drills. The forward is still recovering from a training camp injury to the joint between his right shoulder and collar bone. So in summary: --> Meech will play in Lebda's spot (as previously reported) --> Eaves will not be playing --> The forward lines are staying the same --> Helm's still recovering from his injury (as expected-- with the way he plays he shouldn't come back until he's 100%) I'm not terribly surprised that Babs is sticking with his original line combos. He's intent on breaking Dats and Z up to maximize scoring depth and he's probably thinking that the early injuries to Z's line helped stall their chemistry. I do expect that he'll try mixing things up tomorrow if the boys continue to look like they did in Sweden. I'll throw the lines out here that I'd like to see Babs try (these lines include Helm since he's coming back soon)... Eurotwins Split: Franzen-Datsyuk-Leino (Franzen playing the net crasher/screen, Leino playing on the boards and retrieving the puck) Bertuzzi-Zetterberg-Cleary (let them work together a bit more to make up for lost time) Williams-Filppula-Holmstrom (keep Holmer on the 1st PP, but reduce his overall minutes) Draper-Helm-Eaves/Maltby Lidstrom-Kronwall (give Kroner a chance to try and learn more from Lidstrom's defense, keep Lids-Raffy on the 1st PP) Rafalski-Ericsson (the top two pairings would see an even split of playing time) Stuart-Meech (I'm not a huge fan of putting two rookies on the last pairing, plus this saves Stuart for more PK time) Eurotwins ACTIVATE!: Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-Leino Bertuzzi-Williams-Holmstrom (the "defensive disaster" line) Draper-Helm-Eaves/Maltby Edit: (Torri) Spelling Edited October 7, 2009 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Good to see we shouldn't see any even strength production for the first line for yet another game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 For the love of god, please reunite Datsyuk and Zetterberg soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 [overreact mode] if the Wings don't win against the Hawks, Babs need to put together these lines or be fired! Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-Leino Bertuzzi-Helm/Abdelkader-Williams Holmstrom-Draper-Eaves/Maltby [/overreact mode] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Cool. Datsyuk will still have Holmstromeningitis (patent pending) when they play tomorrow. Great news. Can't wait to see Datsyuk trying to maneuver through 2 forwards and 1 defenseman while Holmstrom tries to catch up with the play. That's always fun to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Cool. Datsyuk will still have Holmstromeningitis (patent pending) when they play tomorrow. Great news. Can't wait to see Datsyuk trying to maneuver through 2 forwards and 1 defenseman while Holmstrom tries to catch up with the play. That's always fun to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Cool. Datsyuk will still have Holmstromeningitis (patent pending) when they play tomorrow. Great news. Can't wait to see Datsyuk trying to maneuver through 2 forwards and 1 defenseman while Holmstrom tries to catch up with the play. That's always fun to watch. Patents apply to novel designs. You're thinking of a trade mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Patents apply to novel designs. You're thinking of a trade mark. ACG, I do not have an attorney yet. Can you fill that role? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 ACG, I do not have an attorney yet. Can you fill that role? Not really. I'm a mechanical engineer (I also have a degree in physics). Sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) I'd really like to see Eaves in the lineup. Given that we've lost the first two games, it shouldn't be out of the question to put him in. Soon, I hope. Edited October 7, 2009 by Zetts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Not really. I'm a mechanical engineer (I also have a degree in physics). Sorry. Maybe you can come up with a Physics Law that defines the correlation between Holmstrom's declining abilities and the inverse rise, exponentially of course, of Jake Ryan's hatred for him. I do agree with the Darren Helm part, though. The kid is, or at least tries, to be a serious force on the ice. Anything less that 100% would just be setting him up for more hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 I'd really like to see Eaves in the lineup. Given that we've lost the first two games, it shouldn't be out of the question to put him in. Soon, I hope. I disagree - I think that our 4th line hasn't been the problem, and he certainly doesn't belong on a scoring line (at this stage at least). Maybe you can come up with a Physics Law that defines the correlation between Holmstrom's declining abilities and the inverse rise, exponentially of course, of Jake Ryan's hatred for him. I do agree with the Darren Helm part, though. The kid is, or at least tries, to be a serious force on the ice. Anything less that 100% would just be setting him up for more hurt. I'm not sure that has anything to do with physics, just like most of his posts have little regard for rhetoric or reason. I look forward to getting Helm back, but I think that everyone is in for a rude awakening if they expect him to do the same amount of hitting during the regular season as he did in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Eurotwins ACTIVATE!: Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-Leino Bertuzzi-Williams-Holmstrom (the "defensive disaster" line) Draper-Helm-Eaves/Maltby Very nice, I do think Babs needs to try something new. After losing 2 games to the blues he uses the same lines again, real smart Babs. Edited October 7, 2009 by cjm502 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Not really. I'm a mechanical engineer (I also have a degree in physics). Sorry. Then you're not really qualified to tell me my decisions on player personnel in hockey are incorrect either, right? !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Glad to see that Helm won't be playing on the First Line! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Maybe you can come up with a Physics Law that defines the correlation between Holmstrom's declining abilities and the inverse rise, exponentially of course, of Jake Ryan's hatred for him. I do agree with the Darren Helm part, though. The kid is, or at least tries, to be a serious force on the ice. Anything less that 100% would just be setting him up for more hurt. Let's see... this is a bit weird looking because 95% of the mathematical symbols aren't on my keyboard. Let: x = Jake Ryan's hate for Holmstrom y(t) = Holmstrom's hockey skill as a function of t t = time in years oo be the closest approximation to the symbol for infinity that I can make on my keyboard Note: y(t) is a function determined based on a quantitative analysis of Holmer's year by year offensive production, using exel to plot a graph of pts vs year (where his rookie year is 1, his second year is 2, etc) then fitting a function of best fit to it (use a polynomial, with the degree chosen through trial and error) would produce an acceptable function for our purposes. But based on the fact that his production must eventually decline as time increases (by logic), we can simply use a limit to avoid having to find the actual function. The result of this limit is based on logical deduction. lim y(t) = 0 (logically, a 100+ year old Holmstrom wouldn't produce points in the NHL) t->oo x = [y(t)]^-1 lim x = lim [y(t)]^-1 t->oo t->oo lim x = oo t->oo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Then you're not really qualified to tell me my decisions on player personnel in hockey are incorrect either, right? !!!! I also have a minor in kicking ass and taking names, so yeah, I am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Then you're not really qualified to tell me my decisions on player personnel in hockey are incorrect either, right? !!!! Wow... You just don't like being proven wrong. BTW, he's correct, it's not a patent issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Let's see... this is a bit weird looking because 95% of the mathematical symbols aren't on my keyboard. Let: x = Jake Ryan's hate for Holmstrom y(t) = Holmstrom's hockey skill as a function of t t = time in years oo be the closest approximation to the symbol for infinity that I can make on my keyboard Note: y(t) is a function determined based on a quantitative analysis of Holmer's year by year offensive production, using exel to plot a graph of pts vs year (where his rookie year is 1, his second year is 2, etc) then fitting a function of best fit to it (use a polynomial, with the degree chosen through trial and error) would produce an acceptable function for our purposes. But based on the fact that his production must eventually decline as time increases (by logic), we can simply use a limit to avoid having to find the actual function. The result of this limit is based on logical deduction. lim y(t) = 0 (logically, a 100+ year old Holmstrom wouldn't produce points in the NHL) t->oo x = [y(t)]^-1 lim x = lim [y(t)]^-1 t->oo t->oo lim x = oo t->oo Not to nit pick, but I think you've forgotten a variable for the measurement of Jake's lucidity, which is at best spotty. I know this throws a whole f***in' into the works since it is so unpredictable, but I'm trying to contribute. Edited October 7, 2009 by Hack & Whack Rule! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) I hate this place sometimes. EDIT - my original response was made to all the line combos... With the physics formulas though... oh man, comedy gold! Edited October 7, 2009 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUkrainian 49 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Let's see... this is a bit weird looking because 95% of the mathematical symbols aren't on my keyboard. Let: x = Jake Ryan's hate for Holmstrom y(t) = Holmstrom's hockey skill as a function of t t = time in years oo be the closest approximation to the symbol for infinity that I can make on my keyboard Note: y(t) is a function determined based on a quantitative analysis of Holmer's year by year offensive production, using exel to plot a graph of pts vs year (where his rookie year is 1, his second year is 2, etc) then fitting a function of best fit to it (use a polynomial, with the degree chosen through trial and error) would produce an acceptable function for our purposes. But based on the fact that his production must eventually decline as time increases (by logic), we can simply use a limit to avoid having to find the actual function. The result of this limit is based on logical deduction. lim y(t) = 0 (logically, a 100+ year old Holmstrom wouldn't produce points in the NHL) t->oo x = [y(t)]^-1 lim x = lim [y(t)]^-1 t->oo t->oo lim x = oo t->oo Now that's brilliant. Reminds me of my math classes from a few years ago in high school. You should patent that... Drakes theory of...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 I also have a minor in kicking ass and taking names, so yeah, I am. Dude, you know I'd never cross you that way. I don't want to get my ass kicked. Everybody knows you're the toughest SOB on here, ACG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Now that's brilliant. Reminds me of my math classes from a few years ago in high school. You should patent that... Drakes theory of...? Holmstomivity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Now that's brilliant. Reminds me of my math classes from a few years ago in high school. You should patent that... Drakes theory of...? You sure it's a patent? Better double check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 7, 2009 Now that's brilliant. Reminds me of my math classes from a few years ago in high school. You should patent that... Drakes theory of...? Hmm... let me think about that... Holmstomivity Sweet-- this one will work perfectly! You sure it's a patent? Better double check. I believe you can patent some mathematical stuff, for example, mathematical methods of filtering signals are sometimes patented, if I remember correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites