Pat 44 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 10-12M in cap space next season and with franzen out that gives us some cap room. Look for a big name free agent to get traded here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 ...not really. I don't know where people get this cap space thing we have now with Franzen gone for the trade deadline. He is coming back... Or will he only count a certain percent against the cap being that he'll be out for so many games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 The deadline is a long way away... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 I read on here that w/ Franzen out we could sign a 2.5 million dollar player now and keep both on the roster when Franzen comes back. Anyway, I think we have like 16 million in cap space next season, but we are losing a lot of contracts that need to be either replaced or resigned. And when you factor in Lidstrom, not so sure we will have much more than we had this offseason. Sorry to burst your bubble. Plus, do you really see Detroit trading high drafts picks/prospects this trade deadline?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Big changes at the deadline? You know this is letsgowings.com, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 If the NHL played a 16 game season I'd agree. But at this point we have no idea what the team will look or play like at the deadline (at which point Franzen will likely be back, given his minimum timeline for recovery is February 8th). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 ...not really. I don't know where people get this cap space thing we have now with Franzen gone for the trade deadline. He is coming back... Or will he only count a certain percent against the cap being that he'll be out for so many games? Yeah. If he's out for 75% of the season on LTIR then the Wings only have to count 25% of his salary against the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Yeah. If he's out for 75% of the season on LTIR then the Wings only have to count 25% of his salary against the cap. So does that equal out to what I said in my post above? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Speaking of Lidstroms contract at the end of this season, do you guys think that his salary will remain the same or will he take somewhat of a cut considering how old he is now? Obviously this contract wont be a long one if he decides to continue playing (which I assume he will since he doesnt seem to have lost much, if any, of his stride). But since he is still an elite player, I dont see much coming off of what hes currently being paid. Edited October 19, 2009 by skyphoenix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Speaking of Lidstroms contract at the end of this season, do you guys think that his salary will remain the same or will he take somewhat of a cut considering how old he is now? Obviously this contract wont be a long one if he decides to continue playing (which I assume he will since he doesnt seem to have lost much, if any, of his stride). But since he is still an elite player, I dont see much coming off of what hes currently being paid. Unless he wins the Norris (very good possibility) I see him taking a pay-cut (hometown discount). I think he'll get extended this year ($5 million), most likely before Christmas and I expect it to be either a one-year deal or a two-year deal. My gut tells me it's one-year deals from here on out for Nicklas Lidstrom. Who really knows though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 So does that equal out to what I said in my post above? Close enough... 2.925 million would be 75% of his cap hit. 2.5 million would leave more wiggle room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Close enough... 2.925 million would be 75% of his cap hit. 2.5 million would leave more wiggle room. In which case we could keep both players on the roster once Franzen returns? Does that also mean that we would be able to add a player w/ a Cap hit of 2.95 million at the Deadline, or more/less?? Thanks Drake! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 In which case we could keep both players on the roster once Franzen returns? Does that also mean that we would be able to add a player w/ a Cap hit of 2.95 million at the Deadline, or more/less?? Thanks Drake! Pretty much. I'd say it safe to say that they'd pick a 2.5 million dollar player at the deadline if Franzen's out longer than 5 months and the right piece is out there for the right price. At this point it's all about maximizing your opportunity, which means taking advantage of Lidstrom's presence while he's still around (hopefully he can play for at least 3 more years, which looks very possible given how well he's held up to the march of time so far). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Pretty much. I'd say it safe to say that they'd pick a 2.5 million dollar player at the deadline if Franzen's out longer than 5 months and the right piece is out there for the right price. At this point it's all about maximizing your opportunity, which means taking advantage of Lidstrom's presence while he's still around (hopefully he can play for at least 3 more years, which looks very possible given how well he's held up to the march of time so far). I totally agree. Go for all the Cups you can while you have Lidstrom the best player in the World on your team. I just wonder how the cap works, cause if you save 2.5 million till the deadline and factor in how the Pending UFA Contrasts work during trade, It'd seem that the Wings could get a player that was worth $6 Million this year, the last year of their contract since only the last 25% would count against the cap. Am I way off here, or does this sound reasonable? Edited October 19, 2009 by rage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blood On The Ice 15 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 10-12M in cap space next season and with franzen out that gives us some cap room. Look for a big name free agent to get traded here. I can see maybe a trade, but big name no. depending on where howard and Larrson are in their game, i would look for a veteran to back up ozzie in the playoffs. Outside of that, don't get your hopes up for a big name, its not going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 I totally agree. Go for all the Cups you can while you have Lidstrom the best player in the World on your team. I just wonder how the cap works, cause if you save 2.5 million till the deadline and factor in how the Pending UFA Contrasts work during trade, It'd seem that the Wings could get a player that was worth $6 Million this year, the last year of their contract since only the last 25% would count against the cap. Am I way off here, or does this sound reasonable? That's true, yeah. Who fits the bill then? Kovy makes, what, 300 million a year? Plus he'd demand a Hossa-like package in a trade, and the Pens sold their farm to get Hossa that year, which is something Holland would never do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 That's true, yeah. Who fits the bill then? Kovy makes, what, 300 million a year? Plus he'd demand a Hossa-like package in a trade, and the Pens sold their farm to get Hossa that year, which is something Holland would never do. Well yeah, Kovie OR a really nice D-man plus a nice Winger. Or hell, get Satan cheap, got $$ for a D-man.....backup goaltender if Howard can't cut it (man I am hoping he does!!). So much potential out there, even through UFA and Waivers. We don't HAVE to give up the Farm in order to improve (especially w/ that much wiggle room). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 10-12M in cap space next season and with franzen out that gives us some cap room. Look for a big name free agent to get traded here. Can you give some more detail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Can you give some more detail? Of course he can't. That's why he hasn't posted since his OP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 That's true, yeah. Who fits the bill then? Kovy makes, what, 300 million a year? Plus he'd demand a Hossa-like package in a trade, and the Pens sold their farm to get Hossa that year, which is something Holland would never do. It didn't exactly blow up in their face though. I'm not saying i would be in favor of doing the same, because i'm not... just sayin though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Yes it might be a big trade deadline this year but maybe the other way this time. I mean we've got a lot of players that we could shop. Trade Bertuzzi - Williams - Holmstrom etc... some players we could get rid of in there last years. Make it into a re building season. We won't win anything this year ... you've read it here first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 Yes it might be a big trade deadline this year but maybe the other way this time. I mean we've got a lot of players that we could shop. Trade Bertuzzi - Williams - Holmstrom etc... some players we could get rid of in there last years. Make it into a re building season. We won't win anything this year ... you've read it here first. No, I think you've been beaten to this thought. ...and Holmstrom is not going to get traded in what will probably (and hopefully) be his last year. Bert. Williams. Sure, I can see these guys going elsewhere if they don't pan out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 There's really little point in this discussion- the players that have trade value (you could get an impact player or first tier prospect for them) either have a NTC or are worth more than what they would return in a trade. The rest of the players on roster simply wouldn't return more than draft picks and/or second and third tier prospects. The only trades that could happen in my mind would be to simply unload salary for the offseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 I highly doubt the Wings would trade Bert or Williams after signing them to 1-year UFA contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted October 19, 2009 I highly doubt the Wings would trade Bert or Williams after signing them to 1-year UFA contracts. It was just a thought NFM ... the real truth is ... who out there actually wants Williams and Bert. The real truth is they got signed with us cause no one else wanted them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
