Players That Are Wasting Space

[Theophany 110]

really when? He's had about 1 good game so far. Besides I know he's' been much better in the playoffs but how the f*** are we going to make the playoffs if Ozzy plays like absolute s***, and we aren't even willing to try a back up.

Well, I know this is a complex concept, but keepers can't be expected to do everything by themselves, because there are these five guys in front of them that need to do their job as well. Right now, the problem isn't Ozzie, it's the team.

And yes, he's had some incredibly clutch saves over the season thus far.

[Buppy 1,720]

Question for the Ozzie bashers.

Who could we get who would:

a) Be better than Ozzie

b) Fit under our cap once Franzen comes back

c) Be available at a price that wouldn't cost us as much or more on offense or defense as we would gain from a goaltending improvement?

A similar question would also apply to Lebda, Maltby, Homer, etc. We're not exactly swimming in assets, so to improve anything via trade we likely have to downgrade somewhere else.

The defense, despite the talent, isn't performing. The offense is already lacking goal scorers without Franzen. Our goaltending is struggling. And we already have a lot of new faces on the roster, adding more will just require more time to gel.

I think we just need to accept the fact that this team is going to struggle while waiting for Franzen to come back. If we can be 3-5 games over .500 by February, we'll be fine to make another playoff run (as long as we don't have any more serious injuries).

[Claude 0]

In terms of cap hit vs play on ice its obviously Rafalski. I hope that the Wings actually miss the playoffs this year so they can actually draft a PHYSICAL offensive defenseman. Enough of the Brendan Smith's.

Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Lebda, Meech. How many offensive guys do you need? Why does Brad Stuart have to be the only guy on the backend that will actually hit anyone? And yes Kronwall hits.. in open ice. Around the boards and in front of the net hes as soft as charmin.

This team is really hurting without Lilja.

Make a move for Volchenkov or Michalek.

[Guest lilja4mvp]

they're going to have to get howard a few starts to see if he can compete. ozzy is not going to carry this team this year.

20 or 30 games into the season, they'll know if they need to look at someone to replace howard for this year (biron, etc).

[Theophany 110]

In terms of cap hit vs play on ice its obviously Rafalski. I hope that the Wings actually miss the playoffs this year so they can actually draft a PHYSICAL offensive defenseman. Enough of the Brendan Smith's.

Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Lebda, Meech. How many offensive guys do you need? Why does Brad Stuart have to be the only guy on the backend that will actually hit anyone? And yes Kronwall hits.. in open ice. Around the boards and in front of the net hes as soft as charmin.

This team is really hurting without Lilja.

Make a move for Volchenkov or Michalek.

You need to hit to play good defense?

You know a lot about hockey, bro.

Hint: Lidstrom has 6 Norris Trophies that say you don't know what you're talking about.

[Claude 0]

You need to hit to play good defense?

You know a lot about hockey, bro.

Hint: Lidstrom has 6 Norris Trophies that say you don't know what you're talking about.

One player doesn't win championships. Having six of our seven defenseman unable to hit means that our defense is terrible. The stats don't lie.

Bro meet frat ******.

[ben_usmc 253]

Well, I know this is a complex concept, but keepers can't be expected to do everything by themselves, because there are these five guys in front of them that need to do their job as well. Right now, the problem isn't Ozzie, it's the team.

And yes, he's had some incredibly clutch saves over the season thus far.

and I know this is a complex concept, but keepers are supposed to show up every once and a while. I'm not an Ozzy basher because I could careless who's in goal if they play well. I also am not worried with him in goal during the playoffs, but to not have any of this horrible atrocity we call red wings hockey blamed on Ozzy is absurd. I think Lebda is pure garabage and aside from Stuart and Lids I really haven't been too impressed with the defense. I think it bothers me more that certain people are so willing to throw anyone BUT ozzy under the bus (when he deserves it)

He's made maybe MAYBE a handful of clutch saves.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

In terms of cap hit vs play on ice its obviously Rafalski. I hope that the Wings actually miss the playoffs this year so they can actually draft a PHYSICAL offensive defenseman. Enough of the Brendan Smith's.

Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Lebda, Meech. How many offensive guys do you need? Why does Brad Stuart have to be the only guy on the backend that will actually hit anyone? And yes Kronwall hits.. in open ice. Around the boards and in front of the net hes as soft as charmin.

This team is really hurting without Lilja.

Make a move for Volchenkov or Michalek.

That statement took away everything else in your post.

[Motown4013 350]

Holmstrom during 5v5 play, penalty that led to the first goal. Keep him fresh for the PP.

Lebda is just an abortion, he scored a goal and still managed to be the worst player on the ice that takes a very particular set of skills...

Other then that we need more Brad May.

+ 1

I could have scored that goal...dats put it right on his stick. He has to go- its like watching a car accident everytime he steps on the ice.

[Claude 0]

That statement took away everything else in your post.

Missing the playoffs would be a wake up call for this team and would give Holland/Illitch incentive to finally cut the fat and get rid of players that should have been moved two or three years ago.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

and I know this is a complex concept, but keepers are supposed to show up every once and a while. I'm not an Ozzy basher because I could careless who's in goal if they play well. I also am not worried with him in goal during the playoffs, but to not have any of this horrible atrocity we call red wings hockey blamed on Ozzy is absurd. I think Lebda is pure garabage and aside from Stuart and Lids I really haven't been too impressed with the defense. I think it bothers me more that certain people are so willing to throw anyone BUT ozzy under the bus (when he deserves it)

He's made maybe MAYBE a handful of clutch saves.

Ozzie has already put up three really good starts: Chicago, Washington and LA.

[ben_usmc 253]

Question for the Ozzie bashers.

Who could we get who would:

a) Be better than Ozzie

b) Fit under our cap once Franzen comes back

c) Be available at a price that wouldn't cost us as much or more on offense or defense as we would gain from a goaltending improvement?

A similar question would also apply to Lebda, Maltby, Homer, etc. We're not exactly swimming in assets, so to improve anything via trade we likely have to downgrade somewhere else.

The defense, despite the talent, isn't performing. The offense is already lacking goal scorers without Franzen. Our goaltending is struggling. And we already have a lot of new faces on the roster, adding more will just require more time to gel.

I think we just need to accept the fact that this team is going to struggle while waiting for Franzen to come back. If we can be 3-5 games over .500 by February, we'll be fine to make another playoff run (as long as we don't have any more serious injuries).

at this point I don't know but there are goalies (anderson) who were in the same price range and playing light years better right now; though I think the av's are going to burn him out by the playoffs. I also am pretty sure by the time Mule comes back the cap won't matter (not 100% sure though) I would hope if we do have a trade we send Meech/Lebda combo out with it.

[Snazzy 0]

Lets Go Wing's official panic thread... yaay!

Playing the blame game is so much fun!

Panic.Panic

[ben_usmc 253]

Ozzie has already put up three really good starts: Chicago, Washington and LA.

we obviously have a difference of opinion and neither will be changed so theres no point in arguing.

[ben_usmc 253]

Lets Go Wing's official panic thread... yaay!

Playing the blame game is so much fun!

Panic.Panic

great addition to the thread....

[Claude 0]

Lets Go Wing's official panic thread... yaay!

Playing the blame game is so much fun!

Panic.Panic

Detroit is 10th in the Western conference, lost 150+ goals from last season and the defense actually looks worse than last year. Holland also said that hes not going to make any moves and we're relying on Jimmy Howard of all people to backup this team.

Yes.. no reason to panic.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Detroit is 10th in the Western conference, lost 150+ goals from last season and the defense actually looks worse than last year. Holland also said that hes not going to make any moves and we're relying on Jimmy Howard of all people to backup this team.

Yes.. no reason to panic.

And it's only 8 games into the season of an 80+ game season where any team good/bad will play .500 hockey over a stretch of just 8 games.

Not to mention that this team hasn't sweated making the playoffs over 15+ straight years.

Concern? Yes.

Panic? No.

Get a grip.

[Theophany 110]

Detroit is 10th in the Western conference, lost 150+ goals from last season and the defense actually looks worse than last year. Holland also said that hes not going to make any moves and we're relying on Jimmy Howard of all people to backup this team.

Yes.. no reason to panic.

It's actually 116 (Hossa 40, Franzen 34, Hudler 26, Sammy 19), but it's cool.

Also keep in mind we added other forwards—and Franzen will be back—and it's much, much less than that.

[Claude 0]

And it's only 8 games into the season of an 80+ game season where any team good/bad will play .500 hockey over a stretch of just 8 games.

Not to mention that this team hasn't sweated making the playoffs over 15+ straight years.

Concern? Yes.

Panic? No.

Get a grip.

When was the last time this team had such a turnover in its roster AND lost possibly their best goal scorer for the bulk of the season?

If you follow Holland's record you realize that hes not going to do anything unless forced. So there won't be any moves made until the deadline. What will be the story or excuse when we pull and Edmonton and miss the playoffs by two points?

Team defense has never been this terrible and the goaltending has never been this sparse since when Osgood first came into the league.

I can see the threads now at the end of the season, making excuses for Holland not making a move. And the threads in the offseason saying that Holland resigning Maltby, Homer, Bertuzzi and Williams as "Great additions".

[GoWings1905 2,694]

we obviously have a difference of opinion and neither will be changed so theres no point in arguing.

Possibly, but I think Ozzie is the main reason the Red Wings even have three wins to this point.

vs. Chicago - 32 saves/34 shots .941 save percentage

vs. Washington - 22 saves/24 shots .917 save percentage

vs. Los Angeles - 24 saves/26 shots .923 save percentage

Ozzie has had some tough starts and let in some bad goals without question. However, Ozzie bailed the Red Wings out against Chicago for a win and he was real good against Washington (the save on AO) and LA too. It is easy to harp on the losses and look for a scapegoat but the Red Wings have three wins in large part because of Ozzie.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

When was the last time this team had such a turnover in its roster AND lost possibly their best goal scorer for the bulk of the season?

If you follow Holland's record you realize that hes not going to do anything unless forced. So there won't be any moves made until the deadline. What will be the story or excuse when we pull and Edmonton and miss the playoffs by two points?

Team defense has never been this terrible and the goaltending has never been this sparse since when Osgood first came into the league.

I can see the threads now at the end of the season, making excuses for Holland not making a move. And the threads in the offseason saying that Holland resigning Maltby, Homer, Bertuzzi and Williams as "Great additions".

Again, it is only 8 games in the season and none of this can be forseen and it's not like we're talking about a team that hasn't missed the playoffs 40 years in a row.

Get a grip.

I swear, the worst thing about a Red Wings loss 9 times out of 10 is not the loss itself, but fans (not just you) going completely paranoid or wanting to trade everybody.

Edited October 23, 2009 by SouthernWingsFan

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Ozzie has already put up three really good starts: Chicago, Washington and LA.

Three really good starts out of seven is not what I would call a great starting goaltender. When you are a starting goaltender you are kind of expected to have more good games than bad.

[ben_usmc 253]

Possibly, but I think Ozzie is the main reason the Red Wings even have three wins to this point.

vs. Chicago - 32 saves/34 shots .941 save percentage

vs. Washington - 22 saves/24 shots .917 save percentage

vs. Los Angeles - 24 saves/26 shots .923 save percentage

Ozzie has had some tough starts and let in some bad goals without question. However, Ozzie bailed the Red Wings out against Chicago for a win and he was real good against Washington (the save on AO) and LA too. It is easy to harp on the losses and look for a scapegoat but the Red Wings have three wins in large part because of Ozzie.

I would say the Chi (think it's the right game)start is the only one I have been impressed with. The others to me he's made very average saves and any potential bail out save he has let in; all goalies have stolen some goals except Ozzy. But I will concede that goalies do take more a brunt when it comes to a lose then most and maybe I am a little harder on him for expecting him to steal something. But I still don't believe he has played well.

[ltgator333 3]

From last watching last night's game rebroadcast in the wee hours of the morning, it didn't look to me that there were but maybe a few players that were really not good, and that the leading cause to a OTL was a team that still doesn't look like a properly functioning team. Any time you're going to let a team out-shoot you that's had good goaltending lately you should expect to lose. I can't figure out where their legs went in the third because there seemed to be a lot of coasting along in general out there.

That said, the only players that really looked 100% (jmo) were Filppula, Leino, Maltby and Nik. Honorable mentions to D and Z. The third line was a complete TURD that seemed to get hemmed into their own zone every other time they were on the ice and it seemed that one defenseman on each paring couldn't play along the boards/down low in their own zone to save their life.

Ozzie- he seems to be moving and reading the play just fine, I think he needs to basicly get not-unlucky. I hope Babcock just keeps throwing him out there until he plays a full 60 minutes of good hockey and put the demons to rest.

I really think these guys need to gel before any other changes need to be made, but I still maintain the best thing that could happen is a veteran stay-at-home defenseman to play with Ericsson. Nobody fancy, just somebody that can play along the boards without getting pushed off the puck all the time.

[SouthernHockeyHoney 20]

If you are going to force retirement on/trade players based strictly on their level of play and level of COMMITMENT TO WINNING this season, you would have to get rid of everyone with a very, very few exceptions. Most of the roster has been brilliant occasionally, marginal most of the time, and down-right awful frequently. It isn't about blame; it's about responsibility, and that lies with the entire team.

It's way too early to get all strung out.