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Dude, you just lost all credibility with this one. I just watched it again, in case I made a mistake, and I paused the video at the right time. The kid is going down and elbows are still tucked in. Watch it again, and warm up your fork, because it's time to eat crow.

Again, I hope the kid is okay.

Eat crow? It was a dirty hit in my eyes, I don't care what you believe it was.

As Broken mentioned above, it's clearly a head shot when the guy gets his skull fractured.

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Of course I watched the video. It was a blatant head shot. It's a problem in pro hockey. You can ticky-tack it all you want, doesn't change the fact that the kid was knocked unconcious from a blow to the head. But don't let me stop you... continue arguing the validity of the hit.

Blatant head shot? His shoulder is making contact with the BOTTOM of the other player's head.

The victim put himself in that position at the last second. It is a really unfortunate circumstance, but one he could have avoided if he didn't turn away from a guy he knew was coming.

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from the youtube description:

November 1, 2009

A fractured skull and facial lacerations for Kitchener Rangers rookie Ben Fanelli.

The 16-year-old was the victim of a vicious hit in the Friday, October 30, 2009 game versus the Erie Otters.

Fanelli remains in intensive care at Hamilton General Hospital, where he had to be airlifted last night. His condition is considered critical but stable and the Rangers are asking that the Fanelli family's privacy be respected. Ben was hammered into the end boards in the second period of Friday's game, losing his helmet and going face first into the glass. A statement by the team says Fanelli suffered a laceration above his eye which resulted in blood loss. That statement also says Fanelli has skull fractures, which would have been the result of falling backwards, helmet-less, onto the ice. Michael Liambis, the Otters player who hit Fanelli was ejected from the game with a match penalty for boarding. The league is reviewing the incident, but there is no word yet on any disciplinary action.

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Eat crow? It was a dirty hit in my eyes, I don't care what you believe it was.

As Broken mentioned above, it's clearly a head shot when the guy gets his skull fractured.

Not if his head makes contact with the ice when he isn't wearing a helment.

He fell hard.

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It's arguable whether or not it was his elbow or his shoulder, as the frames go by way too fast for me to be able to tell which, but nonetheless, it was 100% assuredly a high hit. I don't know what the hell Fanelli was doing turning his back like that, but regardless of whether his back was turned or he was facing Liambas, that was still not even remotely close to a body check. He was aiming high the whole way.

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Blatant head shot? His shoulder is making contact with the BOTTOM of the other player's head.

The victim put himself in that position at the last second. It is a really unfortunate circumstance, but one he could have avoided if he didn't turn away from a guy he knew was coming.

So his neck? Is that supposed to be better?

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Eat crow? It was a dirty hit in my eyes, I don't care what you believe it was.

As Broken mentioned above, it's clearly a head shot when the guy gets his skull fractured.

Your eyes are dirty not the hit. You are looking at the outcome of the collision and jumping to conclusions. The kid put himself in that situation. He saw the hit coming, turned his back at the last second, and got laid out. Very unfortunate ending to a hit does not mean the hit was dirty. He tried to protect the puck and keep possession, so he's got a good head on his shoulders (no sick joke intended), but he turned his back on a hit that he knew was coming.

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That wasn't a dirty hit. You DON'T turn your back on another player bearing down on you at the last second.

No way you can react when you are inches away from the guy.

I kinda saw the same thing... looked like a "Cleary on Thornton" type thing.. He saw the hit coming and turned... I hope he plays soon! My thoughts and prayers go out to him.

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It's arguable whether or not it was his elbow or his shoulder, as the frames go by way too fast for me to be able to tell which, but nonetheless, it was 100% assuredly a high hit. I don't know what the hell Fanelli was doing turning his back like that, but regardless of whether his back was turned or he was facing Liambas, that was still not even remotely close to a body check. He was aiming high the whole way.

He's a 16 year old kid. He'll learn not to do that again, that's for sure.

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So his neck? Is that supposed to be better?

Well for starters NECK is not HEAD.

Secondly people get hit in the head at times when making body checks. I have had stitches done to my chin after a guy who had at least six inches on me rocked me. The play was perfectly legal because it was a good shoulder hit. He was just taller and his shoulder sits a bit higher up than mine does. I mean for crying out loud Konstantinov's famous hit back in game 3 of the 97 playoffs could have been considered a head shot based on what people talk about today.

He wasn't aiming, he just got him in the back at the last second which wouldn't have happened if the player didn't try and turn away from the hit. An unfortunate event to a clean body check.

And for the record I want to say the padding on player's shoulders and elbows these days is way too hard. They need to soften it up because that has to be a factor in the amount of force players exert on one another.

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Your eyes are dirty not the hit. You are looking at the outcome of the collision and jumping to conclusions. The kid put himself in that situation. He saw the hit coming, turned his back at the last second, and got laid out. Very unfortunate ending to a hit does not mean the hit was dirty. He tried to protect the puck and keep possession, so he's got a good head on his shoulders (no sick joke intended), but he turned his back on a hit that he knew was coming.

My eyes are dirty?

...Who the f*** are you?!

Did the kid put himself in a bad position? Yes of course he did.

Did the guy hitting him charge? Yes, I believe he did.

Did the guy hitting him, hit too high? Yes, I believe he did.

Did the guy hitting him try to slow down? No.

Did the guy hitting him show any remorse? Hell no, he pushes another guy other right after the hit.

Did an overage OHL player hit a 16 year old rookie with intention to hurt? I believe so.

It's people like you why I hate trying to debate on here. You are rude and cannot let people debate different sides, you have to resort to pointing fingers and accusing people of being wrong.

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And for the record I want to say the padding on player's shoulders and elbows these days is way too hard. They need to soften it up because that has to be a factor in the amount of force players exert on one another.

Great point.

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First off I never thought I would agree with Doc but I gotta say I do.

Secondly I bet that retard doesn't turn again when theres a freight train bearing down on him. He's only 16 he's got time to learn.

Last it was a clean hit. Bad result and the guy shouldn't have turned but Liambas wasn't in the wrong just finishing a check.

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Well for starters NECK is not HEAD.

Secondly people get hit in the head at times when making body checks. I have had stitches done to my chin after a guy who had at least six inches on me rocked me. The play was perfectly legal because it was a good shoulder hit. He was just taller and his shoulder sits a bit higher up than mine does. I mean for crying out loud Konstantinov's famous hit back in game 3 of the 97 playoffs could have been considered a head shot based on what people talk about today.

He wasn't aiming, he just got him in the back at the last second which wouldn't have happened if the player didn't try and turn away from the hit. An unfortunate event to a clean body check.

And for the record I want to say the padding on player's shoulders and elbows these days is way too hard. They need to soften it up because that has to be a factor in the amount of force players exert on one another.

I don't need the evolution of a body check explained to me. I played enough and seen enough to know when a player is leading high to make a hit. It isn't rocket science.

Comparing a boarding/elbow/high hit/pick your poison hit along the boards to an open ice hit in the neutral zone just doesn't work either. Sorry.

I never said the hit was illegal. Just dirty with an intent to injure.

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And for the record I want to say the padding on player's shoulders and elbows these days is way too hard. They need to soften it up because that has to be a factor in the amount of force players exert on one another.

Abso-*******-lutely!

One of these days when things are slow I intend to start that thread. Today's pads are not pads, they are armour. Plastic cups on the shoulders and elbows have no place in the game. They prevent some "hurt" but I suspect they cause more injurries than they prevent. Throwing a check is supposed to hurt the guy throwing it. Cheli's pads should be cloned.

Clean hit, very unfortunate aftermath. Here's hoping for a swift and complete recovery.

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I don't need the evolution of a body check explained to me. I played enough and seen enough to know when a player is leading high to make a hit. It isn't rocket science.

Comparing a boarding/elbow/high hit/pick your poison hit along the boards to an open ice hit in the neutral zone just doesn't work either. Sorry.

I never said the hit was illegal. Just dirty with an intent to injure.

Sure they compare. A head shot is a head shot, regardless of where it is on the ice.

Potential headshot based on what you believe to be a headshot.

And you also can't tell if there is intent to injure there. Sorry. :hehe:

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He has skull and facial fractures. This is horrible news, he's in critical condition. His poor Mom fainted reports TSN. This is just awful thing of contact sports, I feel horribly for his family. Here's to a speedy recovery.

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Sure they compare. A head shot is a head shot, regardless of where it is on the ice.

Potential headshot based on what you believe to be a headshot.

And you also can't tell if there is intent to injure there. Sorry. :hehe:

Considering the kids face was lacerated from making contact with the boards...

Last I checked there wasn't a pane of glass at center ice. Aside from that... yea, stellar comparison. Getting hit on open ice and getting squashed against the boards is a completely different dynamic. I'm surprised I have to point that out.

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My eyes are dirty?

...Who the f*** are you?!

Did the kid put himself in a bad position? Yes of course he did.

Did the guy hitting him charge? Yes, I believe he did.

Did the guy hitting him, hit too high? Yes, I believe he did.

Did the guy hitting him try to slow down? No.

Did the guy hitting him show any remorse? Hell no, he pushes another guy other right after the hit.

Did an overage OHL player hit a 16 year old rookie with intention to hurt? I believe so.

It's people like you why I hate trying to debate on here. You are rude and cannot let people debate different sides, you have to resort to pointing fingers and accusing people of being wrong.

Yes, your eyes are dirty because you aren't seeing clearly.

I the f*** am Hack and Whack Rule.

...bad position? Yes, you agree with me.

...charge? No, he stopped skating at the bottom of the circle.

...hit too high? Possibly, apparently size matters (my wife was wrong). But I'll give you that one up to the point that Liamba is smidge taller.

...slow down? It's called hockey. People get the smackdown in hockey. Why slow down? Refer to the bad position part of this post.

...remorse? The other guy was going to level him, so he prepared himself. Nothing wrong there, either. In fact, he then took a shot from the goalie.

...intention to hurt? You think so, or you know so?

I apologize if I hurt your feelings. That sounds like attitude, but it is not meant to. The whole point of debate is to accuse the other of being wrong, and then show them why. You have done this yourself in this thread. If you don't want to be "accused" of being wrong (I call it "proven" wrong, but whatever) then you should be more selective in your posts. Especially if you are going to use a frame from a video showing an elbow up on a hit, when the hit is clearly complete in said frame. Again, I apologize for sounding rude.

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Considering the kids face was lacerated from making contact with the boards...

Last I checked there wasn't a pane of glass at center ice. Aside from that... yea, stellar comparison. Getting hit on open ice and getting squashed against the boards is a completely different dynamic. I'm surprised I have to point that out.

The real shame is you are determining how clean a hit is based on where it comes from.

A hit to the boards is as legal as a hit from center ice, regardless of a result. You are the first person I've seen who claims otherwise.

Edited by Doc Holiday

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In cases like this; regarding debating between if or not someone placed a clean hit... I think you must look at past history of the player. It's just like in court, see if the tendancies have been this way in the past. I haven't followed the OHL in the past few years as closely... what's your thoughts?

I hope this kid comes through okay, head injuries are so scary.

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The real shame is you are basing how clean a hit is based on where it comes from.

A hit to the boards is as legal as a hit from center ice, regardless of a result. You are the first person I've seen who claims otherwise.

There you go discussing legality again. I said a long time ago that I'm not debating the legality.

If you don't understand the difference between getting hit in open ice and getting squashed on the boards... well, I guess I just don't know what to say to that. Each of those hits hurt for different reasons and do different sorts of damage. Trust me.

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In cases like this; regarding debating between if or not someone placed a clean hit... I think you must look at past history of the player. It's just like in court, see if the tendancies have been this way in the past. I haven't followed the OHL in the past few years as closely... what's your thoughts?

I hope this kid comes through okay, head injuries are so scary.

Especially considering he had a skull fracture. That is a huge deal.

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Abso-*******-lutely!

One of these days when things are slow I intend to start that thread. Today's pads are not pads, they are armour. Plastic cups on the shoulders and elbows have no place in the game. They prevent some "hurt" but I suspect they cause more injurries than they prevent. Throwing a check is supposed to hurt the guy throwing it. Cheli's pads should be cloned.

Clean hit, very unfortunate aftermath. Here's hoping for a swift and complete recovery.

I do not agree with you and No I am not trying to be a smart ass or start a mele when I say what i am going to ask!

If a player is wearing a "Armour Type" pads..couldnt the pads be more padded on the INSIDE of them.... I mean the teams have guys for that... just saying... It should be the player wearing the pads to decide where he thinks he needs a little more padding here or there..right?

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