12/19 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Dallas Stars 4

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Detroit should be able to win with 3 goals on the board.

Howard did not play well tonight, and it cost Detroit a point. Bertuzzi and Datsyuk were amazing tonight. Homer and Helm did very very well as well. Defense was awful (Rafalski shooting at Morrow in those final seconds was inexcusable).

All in all, would have been a W if a couple specific players had picked up the slack. Also would have been a different game if Ott's charge was called and kept that play from leading up to a goal.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

A goatse.

hahahaha

Edited December 19, 2009 by Lidstromboli

[gcom007 1,465]

I don't like this loss only because we really should've won this game. We slipped on defense and Howard didn't have his best game. We weren't hurting as badly as one would think without Z though.

I'm not aiming to put fault on Howard here but he didn't play well. I make a point of it though mostly because as I keep saying, I am not particularly a big fan of the way the way the rotation has been going. I think we would've won this game no matter what goalie was in net if Osgood was getting more starts in general. I just think this is a bit much for a rookie still, more mentally than anything. Howard can play, but I think they need to work him up to a starters load as opposed to just dropping it on him lately. Again, I truly think he would've looked better today if he had a few less starts, and for that, I don't blame him. Like I said, I'm not a fan of the rotation.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Detroit should be able to win with 3 goals on the board.

Howard did not play well tonight, and it cost Detroit a point. Bertuzzi and Datsyuk were amazing tonight. Homer and Helm did very very well as well. Defense was awful (Rafalski shooting at Morrow in those final seconds was inexcusable).

All in all, would have been a W if a couple specific players had picked up the slack. Also would have been a different game if Ott's charge was called and kept that play from leading up to a goal.

Why are you afraid to mention names?

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Why are you afraid to mention names?

I mentioned two of them.

[brett 1,029]

howard played fine. he got a couple bad bounces infront of him he couldnt do anythng about. thats where our defense shoulda came in.

[Marty Barry 230]

I mentioned two of them.

Actually, 7.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

Refs f***ed us over after the time went off the clock after the whistle and they didn't put it back up. ******* ridiculous the officiating today. Obvious slashes let go and the time not being put back on the clock. Sucks that the D wasn't there. Gave up 2 points to the Stars, which we don't need.

Red Wings: 3

Stars: 4

Final

I noticed a trend that the officiating is always s*** when we play Dallas. And I don't know why.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

howard played fine. he got a couple bad bounces infront of him he couldnt do anythng about. thats where our defense shoulda came in.

no when this guy http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?i...;team=Dal#stats scores 2 goals means your goaltending s*** the bed tonight. end of story.

[Pucks 66]

Detroit should be able to win with 3 goals on the board.

Howard did not play well tonight, and it cost Detroit a point. Bertuzzi and Datsyuk were amazing tonight. Homer and Helm did very very well as well. Defense was awful (Rafalski shooting at Morrow in those final seconds was inexcusable).

All in all, would have been a W if a couple specific players had picked up the slack. Also would have been a different game if Ott's charge was called and kept that play from leading up to a goal.

Howard did not have his best game. He got some bad breaks around the net. As an Osgood slappy, you should be all to familiar with those.

[commadore183 103]

Game Stats

Scoring Summary

Red Wings

1) Holmstrom (13) @ 17:22 1st Period; Assists from Bertuzzi (10) and Datsyuk (19)

2) Datsyuk (8) @ 15:39 2nd Period; Assists from Bertuzzi (11) and Lidstrom (12)

3) Bertuzzi (10) @ 19:00 2nd Period; Assists from Datsyuk (20) and Miller (3)

Stars

1) Skrastins (1) @ 01:40 2nd Period; Assists from Ribeiro (20) and Benn (12)

2) Neal (15) @ 12:14 2nd Period; Assists from Richards (28) and Eriksson (20)

3) Neal (16) @ 16:45 2nd Period; Assists from Skrastins (6) and Eriksson (21)

4) Skrastins (2) @ 01:16 3rd Period; Assists from Richards (29) and Neal (14)

Penalty Summary

Red Wings (3 penalties for 9 minutes)

1) Draper @ 00:57 1st Period, 2 minutes for hooking

2) May @ 10:16 1st Period, 5 minutes for fighting (major)

3) Helm @ 04:44 2nd Period, 2 minutes for slashing

Stars (3 penalties for 9 minutes)

1) Barch @ 10:16 1st Period, 5 minutes for fighting (major)

2) Neal @ 11:49 2nd Period, 2 minutes for high sticking

3) Richards @ 19:33 3rd Period, 2 minutes for slashing

Total: 6 penalties for 18 minutes

Power Plays

Red Wings

5v4: 0-2, 02:27 minutes

Total: 0-2, 02:27 minutes

Stars

5v4: 0-2, 04:00 minutes

Total: 0-2, 04:00 minutes

Shots on Goal

Red Wings: 33

Stars: 21

Final Score

Red Wings: 3

Stars: 4

Final

3 Stars (as chosen by Mike Heika of the DMN)

1) DAL Skrastins

2) DAL Neal

3) DET Datsyuk

Season Record

Red Wings: 18-12-5, 41 points (3rd in division, 8th in conference)

Stars: 15-9-11, 41 points (4th in division, 9th in conference)

Wings and Stars are tied for 8th place in conference, with Detroit getting the first tie breaker with the superior points percentage. Wings are -6 behind both Chicago and San Jose for the division an conference, respectively.

[brett 1,029]

on another note leino can go away now. he played close to 10 mins tonight i maybe saw him twice

whens the last time thi guy even got a point?

hes sooooooo sloww and you just lay a finger on him and he falls

last year he had 9 points in 13 games with a +5

this year 6 points in 31 games with a -9 and hes playing with zetterberg and datsyuk this year

CMON now man

[gcom007 1,465]

no when this guy http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?i...;team=Dal#stats scores 2 goals means your goaltending s*** the bed tonight. end of story.

Eh. s*** the bed might be an overstatement. I think it's fair to say we lost this game because Howard didn't give us a chance to win tonight. But again, I don't think it's Howard's fault so much. I just think they've putting too much on him too soon especially when he still has some issues (which were glaringly obvious at numerous points tonight) to work through. It's great that he's been getting the bounces and he's been really solid for us, but I think we would've seen Howard play better if he hadn't been carrying a starters load lately.

[gcom007 1,465]

on another note leino can go away now. he played close to 10 mins tonight i maybe saw him twice

whens the last time thi guy even got a point?

hes sooooooo sloww and you just lay a finger on him and he falls

last year he had 9 points in 13 games with a +5

this year 6 points in 31 games with a -9 and hes playing with zetterberg and datsyuk this year

CMON now man

Rookie.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Howard did not have his best game. He got some bad breaks around the net. As an Osgood slappy, you should be all to familiar with those.

Good one.

Too bad I'm at least rational about it unlike yourself.

Howard was out of position tonight, way too aggressive to the shooter, and did not play the last goal well at all. He at least kept his team in it by stopping the Ribeiro breakaway, but at the same time he did not put Detroit in a good spot to win it. The times he let in each of those goals was backbreaking for Detroit.

Rookie.

Enough with the "rookie" comment. Howard is a rookie and is playing like a competent veteran backup goaltender (save tonight). Leino has looked soft and worthless all season, up to the point where it looks like he isn't even trying on multiple plays.

He has had a horrible season and "rookie" doesn't make up for that. He has been that bad.

Edited December 19, 2009 by Doc Holliday

[brett 1,029]

Rookie.

rookie or not helm abs and even newbury look to be giving it more effort then he is

[gcom007 1,465]

Howard did not have his best game. He got some bad breaks around the net. As an Osgood slappy, you should be all to familiar with those.

Doc's absolutely not a hater but to call him a slappy is absurd. He's by far one of the more level-minded posters here in general. I can always count on him to not rail on Osgood by default, but if Osgood plays a crap game, I can also count on him to readily call it out.

This is in stark contrast to your posting style, as I can always count on you to be ripping on Osgood no matter what is going on.

[gcom007 1,465]

rookie or not helm abs and even newbury look to be giving it more effort then he is

I won't argue with you on that, but I will certainly be patient with him. If he doesn't get it going next year, then he can be traded or walk at the end of the season. But this year, patience is key.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Discussed enough, Leino just flat out has to be better.

Edited December 19, 2009 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[TX Wing 26]

I was at the game and the thing that by far stood out was that Leino has got a lot of quit in him. Other than that it was a good game and we just had a couple of poor bounces in the second that lost us the game.

[gcom007 1,465]

Enough with the "rookie" comment. Howard is a rookie and is playing like a competent veteran backup goaltender (save tonight). Leino has looked soft and worthless all season, up to the point where it looks like he isn't even trying on multiple plays.

He has had a horrible season and "rookie" doesn't make up for that. He has been that bad.

Again, I'm not arguing that it's been rough. No doubt about it. But right now with all the injuries, we're stuck. Furthermore, just as I am not thrilled with the pressure that's been put on Howard, I think Leino more than anyone heading into the start of this season was being set up to fail by fans and management. Holland got screwed in the off-season in many ways and instantly we start looking to guys like Leino to be a big help because he had the flashes last year. I just don't think that's good for a guys head going into a rookie season, and then you add all the injuries and other new guys and it mucks it up even more. I'm not defending his play thus far. He hasn't played well. No argument there.

But the reality is, the guy has got skill, and maybe his heart's not in it now, but if he finds a spark at some point which is still quite possible, it could really get him going. Again, I get the frustration and it's not like I'm happy about it, but I still think the guy has a lot of upside if we can be patient with him.

It's amazing what just once goal can do at the right time. Just look at Bertuzzi...

And I'm not talking about the first 2-goal game.

I'm talking about the weird goal he had a week or two before that. You could tell the guy was still down on himself and frustrated, but you could see a glimmer of hope emerging with some added urgency too.

And what do you know, a little later he's on fire.

Patience.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

Eh. s*** the bed might be an overstatement. I think it's fair to say we lost this game because Howard didn't give us a chance to win tonight. But again, I don't think it's Howard's fault so much. I just think they've putting too much on him too soon especially when he still has some issues (which were glaringly obvious at numerous points tonight) to work through. It's great that he's been getting the bounces and he's been really solid for us, but I think we would've seen Howard play better if he hadn't been carrying a starters load lately.

which is why he's not a starter and may never be in the NHL. good backup but not a starter. Inconsistency.

[Guest mindfly]

I was at the game and the thing that by far stood out was that Leino has got a lot of quit in him. Other than that it was a good game and we just had a couple of poor bounces in the second that lost us the game.

I've said it all the time that leino was a worthless signing, a really horrific overly soft euro that brings absolutely Nothing. If he ain't benched when the team is healthy something is very very wrong.

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

I've said it all the time that leino was a worthless signing, a really horrific overly soft euro that brings absolutely Nothing. If he ain't benched when the team is healthy something is very very wrong.

yeah I'm beginning to maybe think that now. I' mean look at Brunnstrom with Dallas and how he's turned out. was he even playing with them tonight?

[Pavel Hossyukstrom 2]

:ranting: :ranting: f***! Nashville won again!!! Kipper had a worse game than Howard it looks like.