Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Either your level of play diminishes or not, there is no "slightly" and I thought Leino would of played on the second team or no?We weren't speaking about Finland's second team here. And why can't your level of play decrease slightly? Could you just give it up already? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 So would you consider Babcock is not a good coach?Are you really that stupid? God. READ THE EARLIER POSTS. If it's Canada's second team, it also has other coaches than the first team has. Mike Babcock is a top4 coach in that tournament, but he is busy with the first team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 We weren't speaking about Finland's second team here. And why can't your level of play decrease slightly? Could you just give it up already? Well, I am asking you, would Leino be on Finland's 2nd team? I mean, it is a valid point and pertains to the thread if Finland's 2nd team was to play Canada's 2nd team, right? Are you really that stupid? God. READ THE EARLIER POSTS. If it's Canada's second team, it also has other coaches than the first team has. Mike Babcock is a top4 coach in that tournament, but he is busy with the first team... Hey now, no need for name calling! That is no way to treat a fellow member of this site! Where is all hate coming from? Wow... So basically, you can have a great coach and the team will still not produce, then what do you do? Is it considered the coaches fault? From your post, you say the team and their ability to play relies a lot on the coach, correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Well, I am asking you, would Leino be on Finland's 2nd team? I mean, it is a valid point and pertains to the thread if Finland's 2nd team was to play Canada's 2nd team, right? Actually, it doesn't really pertain to the thread. The question is how would Canadas second team do against everyone elses first team. I don't think anyone would dispute that Canada's second team would be far and away better than anyone elses second team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 Actually, it doesn't really pertain to the thread. The question is how would Canadas second team do against everyone elses first team. I don't think anyone would dispute that Canada's second team would be far and away better than anyone elses second team. I am curious who would be on Finland's 2nd team. If Finland's 1st team was busy playing Canada's 1st team, then Finland's 2nd team would play Canada's 2nd team right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) @Rivalred: - This thread about Canada's second team beating the other countries' (such as Finland's) first teams, so no way Leino should be even mentioned - I think Canada would still have good coaching even without Babcock, but Babcock, Jalonen, Bykov and Gustafsson are probably the top4 in the game (in not any specific order). - Of course team's performance relies a lot in the coach and the coach's playing style especially in short tournaments. Finland's has never had a top team, but top coaching has been a big reason for good results. - Even with good coaching, we've seen a number of times that there are numerous contributors in the international level, so anything can happen Edited January 9, 2010 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 I am curious who would be on Finland's 2nd team. If Finland's 1st team was busy playing Canada's 1st team, then Finland's 2nd team would play Canada's 2nd team right?What the heck? What are you trying to prove here. Of course Canada's 2nd team is better than Finland's 2nd team and probably better than any other country's 2nd team. There are almost seven times more people living in Canada than in Finland. It's pretty obvious that they've also got more good players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 @Rivalred: - This thread about Canada's second team beating the other countiries' (such as Finland's) first teams, so no way Leino should be even mentioned - I think Canada would still have good coaching even without Babcock, but Babcock, Jalonen, Bykov and Gustafsson are probably the top4 in the game - Of course team's performance relies a lot in the coach and the coach's playing style especially in short tournaments. Finland's has never had a top team, but top coaching has been a big reason for good results. - Even with good coaching, we've seen a number of times that there are numerous contributors in the international level, so anything can happen In theory, who would be on Finland's 2nd team? Who would coach Canada's 2nd team? Does terrible play by a team in the NHL relate to having a terrible coach, even if they have a good coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 What the heck? What are you trying to prove here. Of course Canada's 2nd team is better than Finland's 2nd team and probably better than any other country's 2nd team. There are almost seven times more people living in Canada than in Finland. It's pretty obvious that they've also got more good players. I just want to know who would be on your 2nd team since the 1st time is already assembled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) In theory, who would be on Finland's 2nd team? Who would coach Canada's 2nd team? Does terrible play by a team in the NHL relate to having a terrible coach, even if they have a good coach?I really don't know about Finland's 2nd team. Probably wouldn't be very good as our material isn't broad enough. Todd McLellan is a coach similiar to Babcock and a coach understands the modern playing style. Probably wouldn't be him, but that's my choice. Well, there can be numerous of factors in team's bad performances. If you mean Red Wings now, I definitely think it's not Babcock's fault. Edited January 9, 2010 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted January 9, 2010 I just want to know who would be on your 2nd team since the 1st time is already assembled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Canada could even come up with a 3rd team that would have an outside shot at the bronze. 3rd team? Interesting. Made up of players not on the actual team, and players I don't have on my personal second team... Ryan Smyth © - John Tavares - Marc Savard Simon Gagne - Mike Ribeiro - Derek Roy Alex Tanguay - Shawn Horcoff - Devin Setoguchi Milan Lucic - Mike Fisher (A) - Stephen Weiss Jordan Staal Ed Jovanovski (A) - Sheldon Souray Bryan McCabe - Marc Staal Luke Schenn - Willie Mitchell (A) Kevin Bieksa Dwayne Roloson Carey Price Steve Mason (I can't believe I forgot to put Savard on my second team) That was challenging and fun... I'm just bored as hell BTW, so I needed something to do. The team that I made was the rest of Canada's best according to the original team and this team... Jason Spezza - Vincent Lecavalier © - Martin St. Louis Nathan Horton - Jeff Carter - Daniel Briere Michael Cammalleri - Brad Richards - Shane Doan (A) Patrick Sharp (A) - Steven Stamkos - Dustin Penner Dan Cleary Mike Green - Jay Bouwmeester (A) Brian Campbell - Dion Phaneuf Stephane Robidas - Robyn Regehr Brad Stuart Marty Turco Cam Ward Chris Osgood If you're bored like me, make a third team, either according to this one or your own. Edited January 14, 2010 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Too bad, because talent wise, Czechoslovakia would likely be the best team in the tournament. Someone needs to compile those rosters (I'm too lazy) to see what it'd look like. I bet it'd be one hell of a team. Team Czechoslovakia Jaromir Jagr (A) - David Krejci - Marian Hossa Martin Havlat - Tomas Plekanec - Marian Gaborik (A) Ales Hemsky - Michal Hanzus - Petr Sykora Ales Kotalik - Jiri Hudler - Zigmund Palffy Tomas Kopecky Tomas Kaberle (A) - Zdeno Chara © Lubomir Visnovsky - Pavel Kubina Marek Zidlicky - Roman Hamrlik Andrej Meszaros Tomas Vokoun Jaroslav Halak Peter Budaj Mind you, I am not familiar with names outside the NHL, with the exception of Palffy, Hudler, and Jagr obviously... But I'm quite positive the best Czech/Slovakian players play in the NHL, unlike Russia. Also, these countries are loaded with RWs, so you'll see some players playing the opposite wings. Edited January 14, 2010 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Haha, nice Czechoslovakia team there...while your at, you should assemble a Soviet Union team...now THAT would be scary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Here's my rosters for: Canada #2 Stamkos/Lecavalier ©/St.Louis Cammalleri/B.Richards (A)/Penner Zajac/Weiss/Horton J.Staal/Fisher/Sharp Bouwmeester/Green White/Stuart Quincey/Aucoin (A) Robidas Phaneuf Osgood Ward Price USA #2 Okposo/Connolly/Guerin (A) van Riemsdyk/Gomez/Gionta Booth/Pominville/Legwand Oshie/Dubinsky/Rolston © Umberger Carle/Niskanen A.Greene/Goligoski Poti (A)/Hainsey Scuderi Howard Anderson Conklin Czechoslovakia Gaborik/Plekanec/Jagr © Elias/Hudler/Hossa Fleischmann/Havlat/Hemsky Krejci/Handzus/Hejduk Kaberle (A)/Chara (A) Zidlicky/Meszaros Hamrlik/Kubina Visnovsky Smid Vokoun Halak Budaj Soviet Union Ovechkin/Datsyuk/Semin Kovalchuk/Malkin/Afinogenov S.Kozlov/S.Fedorov/Morozov Antropov/V.Kozlov/Radulov Gonchar/Volchenkov Grebeshkov/A.Markov Kalinin/Tyutin Skrastins Nikulin Bryzgalov Nabokov Varlamov What do you guys think? EDIT: Replaced Tyler Myers on USA #2 with Rob Scuderi. Edited January 14, 2010 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Here's my rosters for: Canada #2 Stamkos/Lecavalier ©/St.Louis Cammalleri/B.Richards (A)/Penner Zajac/Weiss/Horton J.Staal/Fisher/Sharp Bouwmeester/Green White/Stuart Quincey/Aucoin (A) Robidas Phaneuf Osgood Ward Price USA #2 Okposo/Connolly/Guerin (A) van Riemsdyk/Gomez/Gionta Booth/Pominville/Legwand Oshie/Dubinsky/Rolston © Umberger Myers/Niskanen A.Greene/Carle Poti (A)/Goligoski Hainsey Howard Anderson Conklin Czechoslovakia Gaborik/Plekanec/Jagr © Elias/Hudler/Hossa Fleischmann/Havlat/Hemsky Krejci/Handzus/Hejduk Kaberle (A)/Chara (A) Zidlicky/Meszaros Hamrlik/Kubina Visnovsky Smid Vokoun Halak Budaj Soviet Union Ovechkin/Datsyuk/Semin Kovalchuk/Malkin/Afinogenov S.Kozlov/S.Fedorov/Morozov Antropov/V.Kozlov/Radulov Gonchar/Volchenkov Grebeshkov/A.Markov Kalinin/Tyutin Skrastins Nikulin Bryzgalov Nabokov Varlamov What do you guys think? Myers is no longer eligible to play for Team USA nor would he if he could. He has stated before he won't play for Team USA because his whole development took place in Canada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Here's my rosters for: Canada #2 Stamkos/Lecavalier ©/St.Louis Cammalleri/B.Richards (A)/Penner Zajac/Weiss/Horton J.Staal/Fisher/Sharp Bouwmeester/Green White/Stuart Quincey/Aucoin (A) Robidas Phaneuf Osgood Ward Price USA #2 Okposo/Connolly/Guerin (A) van Riemsdyk/Gomez/Gionta Booth/Pominville/Legwand Oshie/Dubinsky/Rolston © Umberger Myers/Niskanen A.Greene/Carle Poti (A)/Goligoski Hainsey Howard Anderson Conklin Czechoslovakia Gaborik/Plekanec/Jagr © Elias/Hudler/Hossa Fleischmann/Havlat/Hemsky Krejci/Handzus/Hejduk Kaberle (A)/Chara (A) Zidlicky/Meszaros Hamrlik/Kubina Visnovsky Smid Vokoun Halak Budaj Soviet Union Ovechkin/Datsyuk/Semin Kovalchuk/Malkin/Afinogenov S.Kozlov/S.Fedorov/Morozov Antropov/V.Kozlov/Radulov Gonchar/Volchenkov Grebeshkov/A.Markov Kalinin/Tyutin Skrastins Nikulin Bryzgalov Nabokov Varlamov What do you guys think? I see no point making a 2nd team for USA as their 1st team will probably struggle already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Myers is no longer eligible to play for Team USA nor would he if he could. He has stated before he won't play for Team USA because his whole development took place in Canada So replace him with Scuderi, as I have done above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 Team USSR isn't that scary compared to Russia... I mean the best players from that area are straight up Russian. I mean the only players added on to an already SICK Russian team would include Antropov, Kostitsyn Bros., Ponikarovsky, and Fedotenko. Nabokov holds dual citizenship between Russia and "great country of Kazakhstan... HIGH FIVE!" Also take into consideration that there are definitely more players that fit in that circumstance playing in the KHL. Since I know dick about pro hockey outside the NHL, this is NHL biased. Team USSR = Team Russia. How about this... Team Scandinavia (Disregarding the injuries) Backstrom - Zetterberg - Franzen D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Alfredsson Eriksson - M. Koivu - O. Jokinen J. Ruutu - Filppula - Pahlsson Huselius Lidstrom - N. Kronwall Timonen - Enstrom Ohlund - Edler Hedman Lundqvist Kiprusoff Backstrom Not a bad team. Again this is just players I know, but I'm quite certain the Swedish/Finnish/etc. in the NHL are the best of the best, with maybe a couple exceptions... Unlike Russians in the KHL. Anyway, this team's goaltending is dynamite. Uh-oh, another idea... Team North America Parise - Crosby - Iginla Marleau - Thornton - Kane Heatley - Getzlaf - Nash Brown - M. Richards - Perry Toews Niedermayer - Kieth Rafalski - Weber Pronger - Suter E. Johnson Brodeur Luongo Miller Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) Team USSR isn't that scary compared to Russia... I mean the best players from that area are straight up Russian. I mean the only players added on to an already SICK Russian team would include Antropov, Kostitsyn Bros., Ponikarovsky, and Fedotenko (None of which would make Russia anyway). Nabokov holds dual citizenship between Russia and "great country of Kazakhstan... HIGH FIVE!" Also take into consideration that there are definitely more players that fit in that circumstance playing in the KHL. Since I know dick about pro hockey outside the NHL, this is NHL biased. Team USSR = Team Russia. How about this... Team Scandinavia (Disregarding the injuries) Backstrom - Zetterberg (A) - Franzen D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Alfredsson (A) Eriksson - M. Koivu - O. Jokinen J. Ruutu - Filppula - Pahlsson Huselius Lidstrom © - N. Kronwall Timonen (A) - Enstrom Ohlund - Edler Hedman Lundqvist Kiprusoff Backstrom Not a bad team. Again this is just players I know, but I'm quite certain the Swedish/Finnish/etc. in the NHL are the best of the best, with maybe a couple exceptions... Unlike Russians in the KHL. Anyway, this team's goaltending is dynamite. Uh-oh, another idea... Team North America Parise - Crosby (A) - Iginla (A) Marleau - Thornton - Kane Heatley - Getzlaf - Nash Brown (A) - M. Richards - Perry Toews Niedermayer © - Kieth Rafalski - Weber Pronger - Suter E. Johnson Brodeur Luongo Miller Edited January 15, 2010 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 Myers is no longer eligible to play for Team USA nor would he if he could. He has stated before he won't play for Team USA because his whole development took place in Canada I don't get it, so if I developed karate skills in Japan I would no longer a Canadian citizen... I'd be Asian. I'm assuming I misread your post... It's late, I'm tired . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 I don't get it, so if I developed karate skills in Japan I would no longer a Canadian citizen... I'd be Asian. I'm assuming I misread your post... It's late, I'm tired . If that's your personal choice (and you have dual citizenship), sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CopenhagenWing 38 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 Canada could even come up with a 3rd team that would have an outside shot at the bronze. Or Canada 1, 2 and 3 could all be upset by "lesser" teams. Remember Belarus made it to the semis in Salt Lake. I cringe when I read articles by writers such as Eric Duhatschek speculate what Team Canada such and such could possibly do in the Olympics. While it is just a writer's wet dream, it's terribly condescending towards the other teams participitating in the tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 15, 2010 Team Scandinavia (Disregarding the injuries) Backstrom - Zetterberg (A) - Franzen D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Alfredsson (A) Eriksson - M. Koivu - O. Jokinen J. Ruutu - Filppula - Pahlsson Huselius Lidstrom � - N. Kronwall Timonen (A) - Enstrom Ohlund - Edler Hedman Lundqvist Kiprusoff Backstrom Not a bad team. Again this is just players I know, but I'm quite certain the Swedish/Finnish/etc. in the NHL are the best of the best, with maybe a couple exceptions... Unlike Russians in the KHL. Anyway, this team's goaltending is dynamite. Ehh... no Pitkanen in the team? The guy plays most minutes per game in the whole NHL and is definitely better than Hedman for example. Also Kiprusoff is better than Lundqvist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 16, 2010 Ehh... no Pitkanen in the team? The guy plays most minutes per game in the whole NHL and is definitely better than Hedman for example. Also Kiprusoff is better than Lundqvist. Pitkanen should be the #3 defenseman on that team behind Nick and Nik, replacing Hedman on the roster. The pairings should be: Lidstrom/Enstrom Kronwall/Pitkanen Ohlund/Edler Timonen As far as Kipper...Lundqvist and Backstrom would be my top two as they have been top five goalies every year the past few years. I don't know if I'd even put Kipper on my version on Team Scandinavia if not for his sudden resurgence this season. He has been terrible the past couple seasons, and there are guys like Rask, Niittymaki, and Rinne who have been pretty damn good in competition for that third spot, although Kipper has been the best of the bunch and has the experience advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
