Janik's waiver status

[stevkrause 1,247]

I know he was called up on an emergency basis, but I was under the impression that an emergency call up only lasted 7 days and after that, if he is still on the big club, must then be exposed to waivers (if he was not waiver exempt).

I read through the CBA and the part in bold below now has me questioning it... seems like Janik COULD be sent down without being exposed to waivers... on any note, I don't like it one bit - he's EARNED a spot on this roster and if he goes down just because he can, and Lebda remains on this squad, I will be very disappointed in the Wings' brass...

National Hockey League Collective Bargaining Agreement

Article 13: Waivers and Loans of Players to Minor League Clubs; Waiver Draft

13.10(l).

(iii) Players may be recalled upon completion

of the regular season and playoff schedule of the club to which

they were loaned.

(l) Emergency Recall.

(i) A player on loan to a Club of any

league affiliated with the League may be recalled from such loan

under emergency conditions at any time for the duration of the

emergency only following which he must be returned promptly to

the club from which he was recalled.

(ii) Emergency conditions shall be

established when the playing strength of the loaning Club, by

reason of incapacitating injury or illness or by League

suspension to its players is reduced below the level of two (2)

goalkeepers, six (6) defensemen and twelve (12) forwards. Proof

of the existence of the emergency conditions including the

incapacity shall be furnished to the Commissioner of the League

upon request made by him.

(iii) For the purpose of establishing the

existence of emergency conditions at any time, to support the

recall of a player or goalkeeper for participation in any

playoff game, it shall be deemed that the player(s) on loan

following noon of the twenty-sixth (26th) day immediately

preceding the last day of the regular season are continuing on

loan for the remainder of the season notwithstanding that the

loaned club(s) may have been eliminated from further play for the

season.

13.11. Waiver Notification. Player(s) and the Association

shall be notified immediately whenever a Player(s) clears or is

claimed on waivers.

13.12. Transfer Form.

(a) Player(s) assigned to or from a minor league club shall

receive a transfer form. In order to make said assignment

effective the Club must, prior to that player playing in a game

and in any event within 24 hours of assignment, send a copy to

the NHLPA and NHL.

(b) (i) A Club recalling a Player from a minor

league club, under emergency conditions, must specify on the

transfer form the name of the injured, ill or suspended Player

whom the Player on emergency recall is replacing.

(ii) When an emergency condition

terminates, the Club must submit a transfer form indicating

whether the Player's status has converted to regular recall or

is assigned to his minor league club.

13.13. Roster Freeze. For all Players on a NHL roster as of

midnight local time December 19, a roster freeze shall apply

through midnight local time December 27, with respect to waivers,

trades and any other Player assignments; provided, however, that

Players may be recalled to NHL Clubs during this period and,

provided further that if a player is placed on waivers prior to

the freeze period and claimed on waivers during such freeze

period, the freeze period shall not apply and the player shall

immediately report to the claiming Club.

Edited January 12, 2010 by stevkrause

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I know he was called up on an emergency basis, but I was under the impression that an emergency call up only lasted 7 days and after that, if he is still on the big club, must then be exposed to waivers (if he was not waiver exempt).

I read through the CBA and the part in bold below now has me questioning it... seems like Janik COULD be sent down without being exposed to waivers... on any note, I don't like it one bit - he's EARNED a spot on this roster and if he goes down just because he can, and Lebda remains on this squad, I will be very disappointed in the Wings' brass...

I'm pretty sure when he was called up they said it was an emergency recall. At the time the Wings only had the following healthy defensemen:

1. Lidstrom

2. Rafalski

3. Stuart

4. Lebda

5. Meech

So because they only have 5 available d-men that should fulfill the requirements for an emergency call-up...

The bigger question, as you alluded to, is whether they're willing to risk keeping Janik up when Ericsson comes back. At that point he'd no longer count as an emergency call-up since they'd have 6 roster d-men back. But like you said-- he's earned a spot over Lebda or Meech. Maybe they'll decide to send Meech down and expose him to waivers. Who knows?

Ideally they'd probably like to save that decision for when everyone is healthy on the backend. The problem is that this is their last chance to keep Janik up without exposing him to entry waivers.

Edit: I just realized I didn't read your first paragraph. Hmm... I guess the 7 day rule can't be in effect because he's been here longer and we never read about him having to pass through waivers on day 8.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Drake_Marcus

[mmamolo 287]

You would think in an emergency call up situation like that, the name on the form (for who he is replacing) would have to be the most recent injured player. However, unless I missed something, I didn't see a clause stating that as fact. Therefore, if the Wings were so inclined they could have filled out their Emergency Call Up Form for Doug Janik with Niklas Kronwall's name on it. Assuming they had a good indication that Nik would be out longer than Ericsson that would give them some more breathing room here with Ericsson's return by not being forced to send Janik back down to GR. However, the problem would re-represent itself when Kronwall returned.

Either way, it sounds like Janik is waiver exempt which means that he absoltuely is the guy going down - which is unfortunate.

[stevkrause 1,247]

You would think in an emergency call up situation like that, the name on the form (for who he is replacing) would have to be the most recent injured player. However, unless I missed something, I didn't see a clause stating that as fact. Therefore, if the Wings were so inclined they could have filled out their Emergency Call Up Form for Doug Janik with Niklas Kronwall's name on it. Assuming they had a good indication that Nik would be out longer than Ericsson that would give them some more breathing room here with Ericsson's return by not being forced to send Janik back down to GR. However, the problem would re-represent itself when Kronwall returned.

Either way, it sounds like Janik is waiver exempt which means that he absoltuely is the guy going down - which is unfortunate.

I wouldn't say absolutely... I think he's really made an impression on Babcock... let's just hope Babs gets his way and Janik is not the one off the roster when it comes time...

Lebda is on the last year of his deal, we have Kindl and Pyett in the pipeline (not to mention Smith and Nicastro) and he won't be here next year anyway... so why save him? Even Meech (although a bonehead at times) has more upside and is younger at least... I am just absolutely done with Lebda here and to have Janik in GR, while Lebda plays here is indefensible in my mind...

[mmamolo 287]

I wouldn't say absolutely... I think he's really made an impression on Babcock... let's just hope Babs gets his way and Janik is not the one off the roster when it comes time...

Lebda is on the last year of his deal, we have Kindl and Pyett in the pipeline (not to mention Smith and Nicastro) and he won't be here next year anyway... so why save him? Even Meech (although a bonehead at times) has more upside and is younger at least... I am just absolutely done with Lebda here and to have Janik in GR, while Lebda plays here is indefensible in my mind...

I definitely agree with what you're saying but the Wings rarely take the chance of losing assets (if you can even call Lebda an asset) if they don't have to. Purely for depth purposes, if Janik is waiver exempt, it would make sense to send Janik down. But you're right, I do agree, I would much rather have Janik ahead of Meech and Meech ahead of Lebda in the line up.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I definitely agree with what you're saying but the Wings rarely take the chance of losing assets (if you can even call Lebda an asset) if they don't have to. Purely for depth purposes, if Janik is waiver exempt, it would make sense to send Janik down. But you're right, I do agree, I would much rather have Janik ahead of Meech and Meech ahead of Lebda in the line up.

I know... call it wishful thinking, I wish you weren't right... but I know you are...

[toby91_ca 620]

I've had personal experiences (not myself, but with guys that I know personally, who are better players than me) that clearly show that its not always the best players that end up on the NHL roster. It's not always clear cut in terms of business either, but business and contracts play a large role into who is on the roster and who is not.

Eg. If you are deciding between a guy with a two-way contract and a guy with a one-way, even if the guy with a two-way has shown to be the better player and fit with the roster, more often than not, he's the guy that gets sent down.

[mmamolo 287]

I know... call it wishful thinking, I wish you weren't right... but I know you are...

Well, along with probably about 90% of this forum, we can all pray for the Wings to go agaisnt the grain here. Points are at a premium right now and we need all of them we can get our hands on. If it was this time last season then I'd say it doesn't really matter. But right now, with the same logic that Babcock is using with his goaltenders, you have to go with the guys who give you the best chance to win - that just happens to be Janik > Meech > Lebda (in my humble opinion)

[stevkrause 1,247]

Well, along with probably about 90% of this forum, we can all pray for the Wings to go agaisnt the grain here. Points are at a premium right now and we need all of them we can get our hands on. If it was this time last season then I'd say it doesn't really matter. But right now, with the same logic that Babcock is using with his goaltenders, you have to go with the guys who give you the best chance to win - that just happens to be Janik > Meech > Lebda (in my humble opinion)

agreed 100%

[Miller Brew 0]

Does Meech have any trade value? He's young and still has plenty of potential. I'd like it if Holland trades him for Tavares from Islanders or maybe Victor Hedman from Tampa Bay. Seems like a fair trade to me.

No seriously, can we atleast trade him for Havlat? They both play about the same number of games per year.

[eva unit zero 271]

Janik's waiver status seems to indicate he is waiver exempt when the named defenseman returns. Which could be Ericsson, or it could be Kronwall. It's possible that the Wings are required to name the player whose injury caused the emergency situation, and it's possible the Wings are required to either send him down, expose him to waivers, or waive another defenseman when they have six other defensemen on the roster.

Regardless, any situation other than "Kronwall is the named player, and he can stay up until Kronwall returns" should result in Brett Lebda being waived and sent to Grand Rapids the moment Ericsson is cleared to play.

[Datsyerberger 279]

I'm fine with them waiving Janik (rather than having to lose someone) if they claim Kronwall.

Curious question: Whether than having to waive a #6 d-man that's been doing well, what are the chances that they use Meech as a spare forward on the 4th line again?

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'm fine with them waiving Janik (rather than having to lose someone) if they claim Kronwall.

Curious question: Whether than having to waive a #6 d-man that's been doing well, what are the chances that they use Meech as a spare forward on the 4th line again?

A. Janik > Staffan Kronwall > Meech > Lebda (especially for what we need) - Wouldn't make sense...

B. We already have a glut of forwards and it would be a waste of a roster spot, as at least one guy up front is a healthy scratch nightly anyway...

[mmamolo 287]

Janik's waiver status seems to indicate he is waiver exempt when the named defenseman returns. Which could be Ericsson, or it could be Kronwall. It's possible that the Wings are required to name the player whose injury caused the emergency situation, and it's possible the Wings are required to either send him down, expose him to waivers, or waive another defenseman when they have six other defensemen on the roster.

Regardless, any situation other than "Kronwall is the named player, and he can stay up until Kronwall returns" should result in Brett Lebda being waived and sent to Grand Rapids the moment Ericsson is cleared to play.

I was hoping the same thing but with Ericsson gettign hurt after Kronwall you've got to figure it was Ericsson's name on the Emergency call up form for Janik. The wording in the clauses is a little ambiguous but it kind of implies that whoever gets injured, and thus leaving your roster with less than six defensemen, gets replaced by the emergency call up - and therefor it'd be Ericsson. It does kind of go against logic to have the clause for a waiver exempt emergency call up only to be able to keep hi mon your roster once you have 6 d-men and him available. So I've got to figure that regardless of who's name is on the form once you have 6 regular d-men available he should be sent down.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I was hoping the same thing but with Ericsson gettign hurt after Kronwall you've got to figure it was Ericsson's name on the Emergency call up form for Janik. The wording in the clauses is a little ambiguous but it kind of implies that whoever gets injured, and thus leaving your roster with less than six defensemen, gets replaced by the emergency call up - and therefor it'd be Ericsson. It does kind of go against logic to have the clause for a waiver exempt emergency call up only to be able to keep hi mon your roster once you have 6 d-men and him available. So I've got to figure that regardless of who's name is on the form once you have 6 regular d-men available he should be sent down.

that's how I take it too...

does anyone have Holland's number, so we can call him and inform him that Janik needs to stay in place of Lebda?