Boogard Claims AV Sent Canucks Out to Start Fights

[kook_10 1,705]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306033

Another night, another potential controversy for the Vancouver Canucks.

Following Wednesday night's 5-2 victory over the Vancouver Canucks, Minnesota Wild tough guy Derek Boogaard told Michael Russo of the Minnesota Star-Tribune that Canucks' coach Alain Vigneault had sent his players out to deliberately start fights with the Wild.

My first reaction is "yeah, so? a good gooning like this would have been therapeutic for the Wings out on LI". After watching the highlights though and seeing Bolduc getting his ass absolutely handed to him I am thankful the Wings thought the better of it.

What is it with Vancouver though? They've been in the middle of everything this week. If this is true, I think it creates a little more doubt in my mind with regards to the Burrows/Auger thing. It's not that the incidents are related, but it would go to show a win-at-all costs scratch-and-claw kind of mentality. I certainly don't follow Vancouver religiously, but has there been a more intense competitive drive / more desperation with them this year?

Also, what's up with Boogard making waves about this? He didn't strike me as the type of guy that would blab to the press about something like that.

[Guest micah]

Shuttup, Boogie. It isn't your job to tell the media what other coaches are doing. If Alexandre Bolduc doesn't like it, let Alexandre Bolduc go to the press.

Alexandre Bolduc is an idiot if fighting John Scott was his idea, and his coach is an idiot if he ordered the move.

[Datsyuk2Zetterberg 1]

if it's true AV is an idiot. If he wants to goon it up, go and get a goon, in the same weight class as Boogie.

[Guest micah]

if it's true AV is an idiot. If he wants to goon it up, go and get a goon, in the same weight class as Boogie.

Well, they have hordichuk who did fight Boogard. Hordi isn't exactly as big or tough as Boogard, but he is a heaveyweight enforcer and fighting guys like Boogard is his job, I'm not concerned about that. I am a bit concerned about a guy like Bolduc fighting John Scott for no apparent reason. Yes, if John Scott or Derek Boogard run your teammate, go after them, even if you'll likely lose....but don't go start a fight with an acomplished, respected fighter for no reason if you're not really a fighter yourself and your giving up half a foot and over 50 pounds to them.

[kook_10 1,705]

Well, they have hordichuk who did fight Boogard. Hordi isn't exactly as big or tough as Boogard, but he is a heaveyweight enforcer and fighting guys like Boogard is his job, I'm not concerned about that. I am a bit concerned about a guy like Bolduc fighting John Scott for no apparent reason. Yes, if John Scott or Derek Boogard run your teammate, go after them, even if you'll likely lose....but don't go start a fight with an acomplished, respected fighter for no reason if you're not really a fighter yourself and your giving up half a foot and over 50 pounds to them.

John Scott is listed at 6'8" 258 lbs - you gotta have brass balls, hands of cement, and a head full of rocks to challenge that.

[Guest micah]

John Scott is listed at 6'8" 258 lbs - you gotta have brass balls, hands of cement, and a head full of rocks to challenge that.

Especially if you're not a fighter and hockeydb has you listed at 6'1", 178lbs, like Bolduc. I have no idea what he was thinking fighting John Scott, and if my boss told me to do something like that (without cause), I think I'd say "eh, I quit".

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

I agree that Boogaard should have kept his mouth shut to the press- too much of players talking to the press about stuff they shouldn't IMO.

Regardless if it was Vigneault's or Bolduc's idea to fight Scott it was a HORRIBLE idea. Haven't seen a fight this onesided in some time. Ouch.

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[RainingBlood 8]

if it's true AV is an idiot. If he wants to goon it up, go and get a goon, in the same weight class as Boogie.

No one is in the same weight class as Boogaard

[Konnan511 1,736]

This is hockey right?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

John Scott is listed at 6'8" 258 lbs - you gotta have brass balls, hands of cement, and a head full of rocks to challenge that.

Unless it's Steve Mckenna we're talking about.

No one is in the same weight class as Boogaard

Laraque, Brashear and Belak have proven more than capable of handling him. I guess by weight class you meant no one weighs as much as him, but that doesn't mean he's better than everyone else.

I don't have a problem with what Vancouver's coach did. It's not really against the rules and there's nothing wrong with trying to intimidate your opponent to get an edge over them in the future.

I'm sure the KHL slappies here will disagree and say that gooning it up isnt' a part of hockey, but it is and the rules allow for it.

[Opie 308]

I agree that Boogaard should have kept his mouth shut to the press- too much of players talking to the press about stuff they shouldn't IMO.

Regardless if it was Vigneault's or Bolduc's idea to fight Scott it was a HORRIBLE idea. Haven't seen a fight this onesided in some time. Ouch.

Seriously, UFC officials would have stepped in and stopped that fight, due to ass whoopin'!

If the guy is beating up someone with the "Little Brother hold" (when you put your hand on someone's forehead and they can't hit you because they can't reach) that badly, stop the fight. Scott should get 0 pims, and Bolduc should have got 2 for instigation, 5 for not showing up to a fight you started, 10 misconduct for having no right to enter the fight, and a two game suspension for landing 0 effective strikes!

[j.hoop 64]

damn that guy got his ass handed to him

[Chairman Maouth 97]

First of all, anyone who may be surprised by this should have their NHL fan status revoked. I think it happens, but I seriously doubt Boogaard. In the BUrrows situation you had first degree hearsay. With Boogard, you've got Russo's interpretation of Boogaard's interpretation of Hordichuk's interpretation of Vigneault's words. That's getting into Kevin Bacon territory.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I think Lilja could hand this Scott ***** his lunch.

Still, he does look like a tough customer himself. I hope he starts fighting against the top guys in the league, just so we can see how good he really is.

I remember Steve McKenna was about 6'8, 260 lbs also, and he was a freaking punching bag.

[kook_10 1,705]

I think Lilja could hand this Scott ***** his lunch.

Still, he does look like a tough customer himself. I hope he starts fighting against the top guys in the league, just so we can see how good he really is.

I remember Steve McKenna was about 6'8, 260 lbs also, and he was a freaking punching bag.

that punching bag is now the head coach of the Australia Mighty Roos.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

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[Frozen-Man 144]

Unless it's Steve Mckenna we're talking about.

Laraque, Brashear and Belak have proven more than capable of handling him. I guess by weight class you meant no one weighs as much as him, but that doesn't mean he's better than everyone else.

I don't have a problem with what Vancouver's coach did. It's not really against the rules and there's nothing wrong with trying to intimidate your opponent to get an edge over them in the future.

I'm sure the KHL slappies here will disagree and say that gooning it up isnt' a part of hockey, but it is and the rules allow for it.

I have no problem with the theory behind it but would recommend sending out someone who actually would intimidate so that the point (and a punch) actually lands.

[Guest micah]

I have no problem with the theory behind it but would recommend sending out someone who actually would intimidate so that the point (and a punch) actually lands.

Exactly. gooning it up is understandable and probably good for the game. Sending your players out on suicide missions is not. I cannot fathom any reason that in that particular reason, Bolduc would challenge Scott. Anyone who's followed my posts knows that I think every single player should be willing to throw down when the situation demands it - but in this case no good could come from this fight and both Bolduc and his coach should have known it. He's lucky he was not more seriously hurt. I would feel 100% different if Bolduc challenged Scott in response to Scott checking a teammate from behind or slewfooting someone - but that's not what happened here.

[mjlegend 155]

Had he not gotten hurt in the fight now been out indefinitely, he probably all but guaranteed a spot in the NHL until at least the rest of the year. Making 12 times your minor league salary would be a hell of a motivator.

As it is, now that he re-aggravated his shoulder injury, he's up anyway. Win-win for Bloduc. Unless for some reason he doesn't like having a separated shoulder.

If I'm AV and I send a marginal player out to start a fight and he gets his ass kicked AND re-aggravates an injury, I probably don't sleep all that well at night.

From Minnesota's perspective, why the hell do they have both Boogaard AND Scott, who are essentially doing the exact same job?