Val Filppula

[titanium2 867]

I do know that Babcock thinks he is consistently one of the best every night and Datsyuk and Zetterberg have praised his skill set and said he is the best set up man on the team. But what would they know? They are only on the team.

When did they say that? That's kind of cool.

[titanium2 867]

BOOM! That just happened.

[StevieY'sguy 1]

What are the few players who played in nearly as many games as "Flipper"?

Great, great. He played 4x as many games as most players. Jesus, Ovechkin and Getzlaf each only made it to Round 2. Welcome to the site, informed Wings fan. (Not a jab).

He did not play 4x as many games as "most players", that is a false statement plain and simple. The point you're trying to make is that the only reason he was so high up on the scoring leaders was because his team made it to the Cup Finals...that's a fair argument but it only proves my point if you take that line of thinking to the next level...there are also 35 or so other players who's team also made it to the Cup Finals (the remaining Wings and Pens) and out of those, Crosby, Malkin, Franzen and Hank were the only ones who had more playoff points than Val while Lidstrom had as many playoff points as Val. tieing for 5th out of a pool of 35 players isn't too shabby in my opinion. Oh by the way, why don't you take a gander at what the aforementioned players are making in comparison to Val (in terms of cap hit)

Crosby: 8.7 million

Malkin: 8.7 million

Lidstrom: 7.45 million

Zetterberg: 6 million

Franzen: 3.95 million

Filppula: 3 million

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

When did they say that? That's kind of cool.

Post game press conferences, interviews, etc. I've seen them say stuff about Val on Red Wings live too

EDIT: Here is an article I found written last year during the playoffs on Fil. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/200...&id=4207540

Edited February 1, 2010 by DatsyukianDeke13

[RedWingAbner 13]

He did not play 4x as many games as "most players", that is a false statement plain and simple. The point you're trying to make is that the only reason he was so high up on the scoring leaders was because his team made it to the Cup Finals...that's a fair argument but it only proves my point if you take that line of thinking to the next level...there are also 35 or so other players who's team also made it to the Cup Finals (the remaining Wings and Pens) and out of those, Crosby, Malkin, Franzen and Hank were the only ones who had more playoff points than Val while Lidstrom had as many playoff points as Val. tieing for 5th out of a pool of 35 players isn't too shabby in my opinion. Oh by the way, why don't you take a gander at what the aforementioned players are making in comparison to Val (in terms of cap hit)

Crosby: 8.7 million

Malkin: 8.7 million

Lidstrom: 7.45 million

Zetterberg: 6 million

Franzen: 3.95 million

Filppula: 3 million

Point taken, he had a good playoff. It happens. Did John Druce earn top-6 money after his?

[Z and D for the C 712]

Point taken, he had a good playoff. It happens. Did John Druce earn top-6 money after his?

LOL. Admit yourself being proven wrong but once that happens you just say it doesn't matter anyway. Go away.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Post game press conferences, interviews, etc. I've seen them say stuff about Val on Red Wings live too

EDIT: Here is an article I found written last year during the playoffs on Fil. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/200...&id=4207540

From that article:

"former Wings executive and coach Scotty Bowman, and he went on and on about one player: Filppula.

Zetterberg had won the Conn Smythe, Datsyuk had been superb and Nicklas Lidstrom was majestic as always, but we'll never forget how Bowman, the game's greatest all-time coach, talked at length about Filppula."

I'm sure that RedWingAbner thinks Scotty Bowman knows nothing though.

[Guest DatsyukianDeke13]

From that article:

"former Wings executive and coach Scotty Bowman, and he went on and on about one player: Filppula.

Zetterberg had won the Conn Smythe, Datsyuk had been superb and Nicklas Lidstrom was majestic as always, but we'll never forget how Bowman, the game's greatest all-time coach, talked at length about Filppula."

I'm sure that RedWingAbner thinks Scotty Bowman knows nothing though.

Which would be ironic in many ways lol

[titanium2 867]

I'm sure that RedWingAbner thinks Scotty Bowman knows nothing though.

We'll really get a good picture of Fil's ability during the olympics. I think someone here or HF or RWC posted an article in Finnish that projected him to be on the first line at left wing.

[Finnish Wing 110]

I got into the same argument about "projections" this offseason. How's Ville Leino doing? Projections mean nothing. He's not done it yet, and I really doubt he ever will.

But this is now and that was then. Filppula's playing good at the moment, that's the only thing I care about. I think we all know that he still haven't even maxed his potential yet.

[Travis 576]

I think we all know that he still haven't even maxed his potential yet.

I completely agree. I see Filppula as improving all the time, even if slightly. I'd say it's pretty unfair to assume he's done growing.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I completely agree. I see Filppula as improving all the time, even if slightly. I'd say it's pretty unfair to assume he's done growing.

agreed 100%.

He is only a couple weeks back from a broken wrist and his strength on the puck is amazing... I don't think he's anywhere NEAR peaked... if he can just get some more consistency finishing, he will be a real threat

[Travis 576]

agreed 100%.

He is only a couple weeks back from a broken wrist and his strength on the puck is amazing... I don't think he's anywhere NEAR peaked... if he can just get some more consistency finishing, he will be a real threat

His stick handling has improved so much from where it once was, I agree that - once he becomes a better finisher - he'll be great.

[RedWingAbner 13]

LOL. Admit yourself being proven wrong but once that happens you just say it doesn't matter anyway. Go away.

That's called a debate, jackass. I conceded one point but posted another.

I'll respond to your Scotty Bowman point here too. Bowman is obviously one of, if not the, greatest hockey minds of all time. Does that make him infallible? No. Am I saying that Filppula didn't impress him? No. But pointing out that Bowman liked him means nothing. It's like saying that the Raiders liking Todd Marinovich means they are universally stupid, or the Wings taking Curtis Bowen in the first round means they can't draft. People make mistakes.

Bowman=hockey god. Yet, The point remains that Filppula is overpaid for what he does.

"LOL" You go away.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Which would be ironic in many ways lol

Welcome to LGW. Tee hee, tee hee, waiting for your sound logic to bless us rather than just hop on the bandwagon of newbie idiots.

[Finnish Wing 110]

That's called a debate, jackass. I conceded one point but posted another.

I'll respond to your Scotty Bowman point here too. Bowman is obviously one of, if not the, greatest hockey minds of all time. Does that make him infallible? No. Am I saying that Filppula didn't impress him? No. But pointing out that Bowman liked him means nothing. It's like saying that the Raiders liking Todd Marinovich means they are universally stupid, or the Wings taking Curtis Bowen in the first round means they can't draft. People make mistakes.

Bowman=hockey god. Yet, The point remains that Filppula is overpaid for what he does.

"LOL" You go away.

I still don't understand how a great defensive forward who is +0,6ppg and capable of putting over 60 points is overpaid at 3mill.

[Stiffy 0]

Of all the things imploding on this team and all the subpar performances from highly paid leaders on the team, here we have 5 pages of comment on a player who shows up with energy every single shift? Man, if this same kind of misguided focus is present in the city of Detroit and auto companies, no wonder things are as f***ed as they are.

[RedWingAbner 13]

I still don't understand how a great defensive forward who is +0,6ppg and capable of putting over 60 points is overpaid at 3mill.

Yes, and Jesse Wallin is going to be a top-6 defender.

Again, I think people are missing the point.

Does he have potential? Maybe (yes, to some of you). Is it worth considering moving him, because he is overpaid? Yes.

[Finnish Wing 110]

Yes, and Jesse Wallin is going to be a top-6 defender.

Again, I think people are missing the point.

Does he have potential? Maybe (yes, to some of you). Is it worth considering moving him, because he is overpaid? Yes.

I'm not speaking about potential here.

He is over 0,6ppg THIS SEASON. He is great defensively already. You think 3mill for that is overpaid? Ok.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Of all the things imploding on this team and all the subpar performances from highly paid leaders on the team, here we have 5 pages of comment on a player who shows up with energy every single shift? Man, if this same kind of misguided focus is present in the city of Detroit and auto companies, no wonder things are as f***ed as they are.

Uggh.

I don't know if you've read all of this, but my point is not to flame Filppula. Unfortunately, I've had to argue that yeah, I like the guy, but he is not worth $3M as an energy player who puts up 40 points (yes, he has potential for more). He hustles, no doubt.

All I wanted to do was get opinions on exploring moving him, and instead, I must hate Filppula (I don't), want Hossa (I didn't), or think Scotty Bowman is dumb (I still don't understand how this was even a point, but of course I don't).

Filppula--good player. Overpaid and a decent trade chip. That's all I am saying.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Man if you think filppula is bad, look at Franzen. He's being paid almost 4 million and only has 3 points!

[RedWingAbner 13]

Man if you think filppula is bad, look at Franzen. He's being paid almost 4 million and only has 3 points!

Jesus, you are an absolute moron. Why do I even waste my time? Every time I argue against your "logic" you ignore it and come up with some additional BS. Franzen has played in 4 games. His cap hit is $3.95M. Now, ignoring the fact his salary is not hurting us while he is on IR, with Franzen, you have a guy who scored 27 then 34 goals in the regular season and was a dominating force in the playoffs.

Yeah, that extra $950,000 per year is certainly the difference between the two. Filppula has played in 29 games and has 4 goals and 18 points. Woo-hoo. Dominating physical force who set a Wings record for goals in a playoff series, net-front, goal-scoring presence.....vs. hustle and potential. It's a good thing Filppula HASN'T put up 50 points yet because he'd probably be worth 5-6 M, right? My point remains, he's overpaid.

Again, I don't hate Filppula, but you don't acknowledge that. Keep bringing up nonsense, it's fun to read.

[Travis 576]

Man if you think filppula is bad, look at Franzen. He's being paid almost 4 million and only has 3 points!

Boom. Roasted.

[Z and D for the C 712]

... dominating force in the playoffs ...

... set a Wings record for goals in a playoff series ...

Okay, he had a good playoff. It happens. Did John Druce earn top-6 money after his?

Edited February 1, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[Guest Lidstromboli]

Dominating physical force who set a Wings record for goals in a playoff series, net-front, goal-scoring presence.....vs. hustle and potential. It's a good thing Filppula HASN'T put up 50 points yet because he'd probably be worth 5-6 M, right? My point remains, he's overpaid.

Again, I don't hate Filppula, but you don't acknowledge that. Keep bringing up nonsense, it's fun to read.