Val Filppula

[clutchngrab 12]

I love these guys that post their opinions like they are giving birth to yet another turd, yet when challenged with objective measurements such as salary vs. PPG can't be bothered.

[Finnish Wing 110]

By the way, it's funny how you make a point here, yet you have no real arguments for it. Then there are guys who can prove you wrong with numerous different ways, but you say that their arguments doesn't matter. I think that Franzen argument was one of the best in the thread so far. There is also the argument based on stats and the argument based on comments by coaches and another hockey players. All of them which are against your first argument. Give up already.

[egroen 384]

Why you need to do the math? Because you're the one in the first place saying he's overpaid. If you wan't to know if he's overpaid (based only on point totals) you can do it like that. I'm sure he is not overpaid based on points, not to mention his defensive abilities.

I'd say Filpulla is a decent value... he certainly did not give Holland any sort of a discount, but he has improved, which both parties were expecting when they signed the deal. How much he has improved is up for debate, but I'm sure many are a bit disappointed there.

The fact he is signed to a fair contract is whay I always pimp him for trades... as he would get the Wings a nice return.

[Finnish Wing 110]

Prove me wrong. I'm not wasting my time on that crap because I know that $3M is too much for a 3rd-line center.

So now it's not about points anymore. Now he just IS 3rd line center in the NHL because you say so right?

[titanium2 867]

I can't argue with the fact that Mike Babcock sees him every day. I am sure the scouts that looked at Daigle saw him quite a bit too. It doesn't mean they can't be wrong.

Again, I am not saying he's not a good player, and I think that people are missing that. He's just a 3rd liner making too much money.

So your big thing is that athletes are overpaid? Welcome to human nature.

Your criteria for what a player deserves is simply your observation of him playing games along with stats you can look up online. The management obviously has a more extensive criteria. When you hear Teemu Selanne rave that "He's (Filppula) anybody's dream player because he's so easy -- he does exactly what you ask him to do. Everybody needs that kind of player," it's obvious that none of us don't ever see how hard he works every day or the fact that Filppula's done nearly everything coaches and management have asked him to do and fulfilled if not exceeded their expectations of him, which is why they like him so much. If they think he deserves that salary, then they're most likely more right than you'll ever be. But for some reason you don't want to let go of the small possibility that they're wrong, why is that?

[wmubronco420 25]

ok, i dont really think filppula is overpaid at 3M, but really people need to stop with this .6 pts per game stuff. He's been on that pace for a whopping 29 games, hardly a good sample. For his career he's averaging .4 pts/game with a career high of 40 pts in a season.

This is his forth full year in the NHL, so he's hardly a rookie anymore, i know the injury has put a damper on this season but really some of you guys are expecting 60-70 points out of this guy you will be disappointed. Projections mean nothing, wait until a guy does it before you give him credit for it.

[RedWingAbner 13]

By the way, it's funny how you make a point here, yet you have no real arguments for it. Then there are guys who can prove you wrong with numerous different ways, but you say that their arguments doesn't matter. I think that Franzen argument was one of the best in the thread so far. There is also the argument based on stats and the argument based on comments by coaches and another hockey players. All of them which are against your first argument. Give up already.

What Franzen argument DIDN'T prove my point? Franzen is well worth the money because we don't have to dream of his potential while paying him.

I've combatted all of the stupidity on here. I think that I've done fine, others disagree, some agree. I'm fine with that. I'm ready to move on. Neither of us are going to convince each other, and again, that's fine by me. Just because you think your point is amazing doesn't make it right (both ways).

[RedWingAbner 13]

ok, i dont really think filppula is overpaid at 3M, but really people need to stop with this .6 pts per game stuff. He's been on that pace for a whopping 29 games, hardly a good sample. For his career he's averaging .4 pts/game with a career high of 40 pts in a season.

This is his forth full year in the NHL, so he's hardly a rookie anymore, i know the injury has put a damper on this season but really some of you guys are expecting 60-70 points out of this guy you will be disappointed. Projections mean nothing, wait until a guy does it before you give him credit for it.

That kind of logic is not tolerated in this thread.

Good day to you sir.

[FinRedWing 172]

Filppula's good in the regular season. He's a beast in the playoffs. To me, that's *easily* worth 3 million dollars.

You said it so well I'll just QFMFT you.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Prove me wrong.

WE HAVE.

In my 2 1/2 years here, I've argued with a lot of people. But I've never argued with someone as thick, stubborn and just plain stupid.

Filppula is a second line scorer and as produced accordingly since being on the second line, and his 3 million salary is perfect. As he grows as a player, he will become more of a deal. These are the facts. Anyone who argues against them is wrong. There is nothing else to say.

[RedWingAbner 13]

So your big thing is that athletes are overpaid? Welcome to human nature.

Your criteria for what a player deserves is simply your observation of him playing games along with stats you can look up online. The management obviously has a more extensive criteria. When you hear Teemu Selanne rave that "He's (Filppula) anybody's dream player because he's so easy -- he does exactly what you ask him to do. Everybody needs that kind of player," it's obvious that none of us don't ever see how hard he works every day or the fact that Filppula's done nearly everything coaches and management have asked him to do and fulfilled if not exceeded their expectations of him, which is why they like him so much. If they think he deserves that salary, then they're most likely more right than you'll ever be. But for some reason you don't want to let go of the small possibility that they're wrong, why is that?

I'm not saying that they are, necessarily. You aren't giving up on the fact that they must be right. No big deal.

[RedWingAbner 13]

I love these guys that post their opinions like they are giving birth to yet another turd, yet when challenged with objective measurements such as salary vs. PPG can't be bothered.

About as much as I love guys who stay above it all by just being the little pomerianian barking at my feet rather than trying to infuse something meaningful.

If you are so convinced, you do the math. Or can you not be bothered as well?

Oh yeah, it's not your thread.....so I guess I'm obligated to refute every statistic?

[titanium2 867]

I'm not saying that they are, necessarily.

Hehe... Sure. It's fun to backpedal.

[RedWingAbner 13]

WE HAVE.

In my 2 1/2 years here, I've argued with a lot of people. But I've never argued with someone as thick, stubborn and just plain stupid.

Filppula is a second line scorer and as produced accordingly since being on the second line, and his 3 million salary is perfect. As he grows as a player, he will become more of a deal. These are the facts. Anyone who argues against them is wrong. There is nothing else to say.

Sure, Sarah Palin. Those are certainly facts. Making a projection of what you want to have happen and then saying "that's a fact" is foolproof.

Don't take things so personally. Why do you keep reverting to name-calling? I'll give it back, but come on man, this is just a fan forum. Just making conversation.

[wmubronco420 25]

ales kotalik makes 3M.

i dont mean to sound like a dick but the point is id take val at 3M compared to some other guys around the league making the same. But i still agree with you for the most part that he will never be a 60-70 point guy in the league

[Z and D for the C 712]

ok, i dont really think filppula is overpaid at 3M, but really people need to stop with this .6 pts per game stuff. He's been on that pace for a whopping 29 games, hardly a good sample. For his career he's averaging .4 pts/game with a career high of 40 pts in a season.

At this point his career numbers mean nothing being that this is only his 4th season. Last year he was supposed to have an larger role on the team (2nd line center, PP time) but due to the Hossa signing was bumped down to the third line with no PP time. If we didnt sign Hossa he would have been on the second line with a guaranteed 50 points.

And it's more than just 29 games, it's 4 months. There is no reason to think he can't continue that pace.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[RedWingAbner 13]

Hehe... Sure. It's fun to backpedal.

It's not backpeddling to concede what may be true. It's called debate. Then again, I guess I am just 100% wrong in everything I've said, and if I give an inch, I must be relenting. This isn't trench warfare. Again I say, Filppula is not a bad player.

BTW, I bolded that section so you could save yourself the trouble in your next post. Wouldn't want to take away from your wit with silly things like that.

[RedWingAbner 13]

ales kotalik makes 3M.

i dont mean to sound like a dick but the point is id take val at 3M compared to some other guys around the league making the same. But i still agree with you for the most part that he will never be a 60-70 point guy in the league

Oh, certainly. Val is a much better deal than Kotalik, hands down. Much better than quite a few guys in the league at that salary; much lower as well. But Kotalik? No question Flip is better.

[wmubronco420 25]

At this point his career numbers mean nothing being that this is only his 4th season. Last year he was supposed to have an larger role on the team (2nd line center, PP time) but due to the Hossa signing was bumped down to the third line with no PP time. If we didnt sign Hossa he would have been on the second line with a guaranteed 50 points.

And it's more than just 29 games, it's 4 months. There is no reason to think he can't continue that pace.

is next year gonna be only his 5th season, and then only the sixth.

honestly at some point you gotta stop looking at him like hes a rookie, 4 years is about average for a guy in the league to find his niche.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Why do you keep reverting to name-calling? I'll give it back, but come on man, this is just a fan forum. Just making conversation.

you called me a jackass and an absolute moron and now I'm name calling?

[RedWingAbner 13]

is next year gonna be only his 5th season, and then only the sixth.

honestly at some point you gotta stop looking at him like hes a rookie, 4 years is about average for a guy in the league to find his niche.

I urge you to stop. You are going to get Finnish Wing to give you a homework assignment.

[titanium2 867]

At this point his career numbers mean nothing being that this is only his 4th season.

Why do you think that? I just want to know your reasoning behind it.

[RedWingAbner 13]

you called me a jackass and an absolute moron and now I'm name calling?

You are right. I did start that line of insult. It just seemed that you were relying on prefacing my stupidity and ignorance in every post.

[Z and D for the C 712]

is next year gonna be only his 5th season, and then only the sixth.

honestly at some point you gotta stop looking at him like hes a rookie, 4 years is about average for a guy in the league to find his niche.

Again, he has had multiple setbacks. He would have undoubtedly "found his niche" in his third season but the signing of a super star pushed him down the depth chart. This year our team was decimated with injury and even without his injury his numbers probably wouldn't have bee what they could have been (look at Datsyuk's and Zetterberg's numbers)

[tommingthepuck96 1]

4 years is about average for a guy in the league to find his niche.

Not when your a third line penalty killer playing on the detroit red wings.