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Should Valtteri Filppula be traded?

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Should Flip be traded?   341 members have voted

  1. 1. Should Flip be traded?

    • Yes, But only if the Wings get a great (realistic) deal, like a goal scorer
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    • No, never, hes too important to lose
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    • Yes, for whatever the Wings can get for him
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Before this weekend, Filppula had 15 points in 16 games.

That's simply not true. I went through his game-by-game stats for my last post.

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Oh okay, so when you cherry pick stats to make it look like Hudler has been scoring more than Filppula, it looks like Hudler has been scoring more than Filppula? Got it.

That's horses***. Not only did I go out of my way to explain the justification for taking certain periods of play into account but I also used broad timelines like 'the past 18 games' and 'every frigging game since Datsyuk was injured'. I didn't drop games in between two dates or even stop counting recent games where he went cold (as you did with Val's last 3 games). If anyone's cherry picking it's the guy who truncates the stats at the end of the data set because that's when his favourite player went cold.

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That's simply not true. I went through his game-by-game stats for my last post.

I just counted 15 points in 16 games before this past weekend as well.

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Hudler's worst stretch this season: 1 point over a 17 game stretch.

Filppula'a worst stretch this year: 1 point over an 8 game stretch.

Filppula's points > Hudler's points.

How can anyone argue Hudler has had a better season than vFlip?

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That's horses***. Not only did I go out of my way to explain the justification for taking certain periods of play into account but I also used broad timelines like 'the past 18 games' and 'every frigging game since Datsyuk was injured'. I didn't drop games in between two dates or even stop counting recent games where he went cold (as you did with Val's last 3 games). If anyone's cherry picking it's the guy who truncates the stats at the end of the data set because that's when his favourite player went cold.

I took out the two shutouts because they were shutouts. Hudler didn't get any points either, so it's irrelevant to the comparison. Include them if you want, my favorite player still comes out on top. Including Monday night would be dumb, as Hudler was getting more icetime with Datsyuk and Cleary versus less TOI for Flip with Abds and Eaves. The previous 16 games, they both played on the same line, thus being directly comparable. But frankly, even if you do include Monday nights game, Filppula still has more points than Hudler in the past 19.

Cherry picking is ignoring the two games prior to where you started your comparison when Filppula had 2 points.

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I just counted 15 points in 16 games before this past weekend as well.

I triple checked the numbers before posting that long discussion earlier. Looks like I should have quadruple checked. :ranting:

Hudler's worst stretch this season: 1 point over a 17 game stretch.

Filppula'a worst stretch this year: 1 point over an 8 game stretch.

Filppula's points > Hudler's points.

How can anyone argue Hudler has had a better season than vFlip?

I'm not arguing that at all. Hudler's had a garbage season from s***town. I just don't buy that he hasn't turned a corner since Datsyuk went down. He looks like a completely different player compared to October and November. Filppula's been consistently productive all year. To be honest I was most excited that Val's been consistent this year. If he can consistently play at this level he'll continue to put points up and refine his game.

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But we can play your cherry picking game. Let's only start counting when Hudler "broke out". From December 27th to February 2nd:

Filppula: 13gp 4g 9a 13p

Hudler: 14gp 3g 9a 12p

So Filppula has 1 more point in 1 less game. I'm pretty sure that means Filppula was "hotter".

I just don't buy that he hasn't turned a corner since Datsyuk went down.

I don't think anyone would argue against that. Hudler has been great since Datsyuk was injured, but so has Filppula, and even better. I'm just annoying that Eva thinks that Hudler could score a PPG pace to finish the season, but Filppula definitely won't, even though Filppula has scored closer (albeit not much) to a PPG pace over the past 20 or so games than Hudler.

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Cherry picking is ignoring the two games prior to where you started your comparison when Filppula had 2 points.

That'd be a fantastic argument if I hadn't included both sets of stats.

I don't think anyone would argue against that. Hudler has been great since Datsyuk was injured, but so has Filppula, and even better. I'm just annoying that Eva thinks that Hudler could score a PPG pace to finish the season, but Filppula definitely won't, even though Filppula has scored closer (albeit not much) to a PPG pace over the past 20 or so games than Hudler.

For the record-- it's retarded to think Hudler will finish the season at a point per game pace. Only Eva would argue that.

If Hudler does score 29pts over the remaining games it'd be fantasic for the Red Wings but Eva won't be able to point to statisical evidence for making that prediction.

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Huds has been perfectly capable of getting back on the play. It has been more than a few times where Hudler is one of the deepest Wings in the zone, and the other team starts a rush back and Hudler manages to be the first or second Wing back on the backcheck. I think his skating and defense "deficiencies" are overstated because he plays for a team that hunts for those things in centers regardless of line. A lot of teams out there would stick Hudler in the middle without a second thought.

A lot of those teams aren't the Detroit Redwings, and don't have Mike Babcock as coach. His system relies on the centre to do all the work, to do all the back-checking. When we are at our defensive best, it is because our centers are all over the opposition puck carrier through the neutral zone.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hudler, especially when he's got his scrappy, go-to-the-net head on. He reminds me of this guy

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A lot of those teams aren't the Detroit Redwings, and don't have Mike Babcock as coach.

He actually agrees with you in that manner.

His main contention, at least for Hudler's case, seems to be against that very philosophy of defining a scoring line center's responsibilities as having at the bare minimum decent size, speed, never a question about their work ethic, overall hockey sense and above average defensive aptitude. Some teams don't require that much.

The real question is which of those teams are competing for the top of their division and or conference? (And how do we force Eva and his notorious purposelessness to those team's boards so we don't have to put up with his bulls***?) There doesn't seem to be many, if any at all. If you look at most of the teams who are in position for a playoff spot and if their 1st or 2nd line center doesn't have size, he can at least skate. And in today's game that's extremely important.

Hudler has ONE thing going for him that might be able to compete with the other 1st and 2nd line centers among playoff teams and that's hockey sense in the offensive zone. If hockey was only a turn-based game of power plays then I'm sure Eva could send out the pokeball containing Hudler and he could play center just fine. Unfortunately we also have to deal with something called reality every now and again so there goes that.

Here comes a list of names and statistics and a bunch more nonsense...

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id take Martin Hanzel over him as 2nd/more likely 3rd line center and i may even give up him and hudler to do it. I think he could grow into a franzeneque player...

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