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He signed Niklas Persson to a 1-year deal.

No one's talking about it, but trust me, in 6-months that will look like a genius signing. One of my favorite players.

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He just traded for Gagne. Mike Smith + Prospects. Is anyone else getting excited to watch some lightning hockey?

Edit: Matt Walker and a 4th for Gagne

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He just traded for Gagne. Mike Smith + Prospects. Is anyone else getting excited to watch some lightning hockey?

Very much so.

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More excited for Wings hockey but yes Stevie is doing a great job so far. Hopefully it translates in Florida....

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St.Louis-Stamkos-Malone

Gagne-Lecavalier-Downie

-B.Jones-?

?-Thompson-?

-Fritz

Ohlund-Hedman

Kubina-Clark

Walker-Smaby

What about Longoria and Crawford? :ph34r:

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Didn't realize Matt Walker was available.Would've been a perfect 6th defenseman kenny.........

walker sucks, but he will get waived probably giving the wings an opportunity on him

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I don't think we could be lucky enough to have Philadelphia put him on waivers.

we wouldn't be lucky, if we got him everyone would hate him, the walnut sized brain factor comes into play with walker

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Walker is exactly what were looking for:big,mean,physical guy who blocks shots.

and also accounts for half the teams goals against...

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walker is the perfect bottom pairing defenseman. Hes just as good as Lilja if not better.

yeah.... right

Player Team Pos GP Hits BkS MsS GvA TkA FOW FOL Tot FO% %Tm Shots G S%

09-10 Matt Walker TBL D 66 82 116 25 32 10 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 54 2

08-09 Andreas Lilja DET D 60 95 92 25 29 8 0 1 1 0.0 0.0 60 2 3.3

Matt Walker -11

Andreas Lilja +13

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yeah.... right

Player Team Pos GP Hits BkS MsS GvA TkA FOW FOL Tot FO% %Tm Shots G S%

09-10 Matt Walker TBL D 66 82 116 25 32 10 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 54 2

08-09 Andreas Lilja DET D 60 95 92 25 29 8 0 1 1 0.0 0.0 60 2 3.3

Matt Walker -11

Andreas Lilja +13

Matt walker played for Tampa, Lilja for the Red Wings, youre really going to compare their plus minus? Your stats don't take into account teh fact that Walker is much more effective clearing the net front, a harder hitter, and is probably the second best fighting defenseman in the league behind Carkner.

If Walker came to the wings his stat line would be much better then Liljas, and Lilja isn't even a #6 defenseman

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Matt walker played for Tampa, Lilja for the Red Wings, youre really going to compare their plus minus? Your stats don't take into account teh fact that Walker is much more effective clearing the net front, a harder hitter, and is probably the second best fighting defenseman in the league behind Carkner.

If Walker came to the wings his stat line would be much better then Liljas, and Lilja isn't even a #6 defenseman

they were the same, if not worse besides the +/- when he played for the hawks

Lilja is better, just because a guy fights more doesn't make him better, both have had concussion/injury issues

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they were the same, if not worse besides the +/- when he played for the hawks

Lilja is better, just because a guy fights more doesn't make him better, both have had concussion issues

Lilja and Walker are very compareable players stats wise now, if Walker had time to refine his game with guys like Lidstrom around him like Lilja did, Walker would be much better.

Have you ever watched Walker play or just look at the statS?

As for the fighting thing, no it doesn't make a player better but it adds a dimension to the team that makes him more valuable then someone who doesn't fight. His toughness makes him more valuable. Do you think Pronger would be considered as good as he is without his net clearing ability and intimidation? No he wouldn't

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Lilja and Walker are very compareable players stats wise now, if Walker had time to refine his game with guys like Lidstrom around him like Lilja did, Walker would be much better.

Have you ever watched Walker play or just look at the statS?

As for the fighting thing, no it doesn't make a player better but it adds a dimension to the team that makes him more valuable then someone who doesn't fight. His toughness makes him more valuable. Do you think Pronger would be considered as good as he is without his net clearing ability and intimidation? No he wouldn't

I have seen him play, his best attribute is his fighting and ability to throw the hipcheck, maybe he would progress like lilja did, but then again it is a crapshoot, but he is an incredibly shallow minded player that makes a lot of mistakes (of which stats don't necessarily account for)

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Matt walker played for Tampa, Lilja for the Red Wings, youre really going to compare their plus minus? Your stats don't take into account teh fact that Walker is much more effective clearing the net front, a harder hitter, and is probably the second best fighting defenseman in the league behind Carkner.

If Walker came to the wings his stat line would be much better then Liljas, and Lilja isn't even a #6 defenseman

Lilja played as a #6 defenseman because it is hard to beat out Lidstrom-Rafalski and Stuart-Kronwall for a top 4 spot.

Also I wouldn't touch Walker with a 10 foot pole. And Lidstrom is the worst fighting defensman in the league, big ******* whoop.

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Lilja played as a #6 defenseman because it is hard to beat out Lidstrom-Rafalski and Stuart-Kronwall for a top 4 spot.

Also I wouldn't touch Walker with a 10 foot pole. And Lidstrom is the worst fighting defensman in the league, big ******* whoop.

Yeah because I said they have to be tough to be a good defenseman? Being tough is a plus and is a style of play. Lilja attempted to play a tough game, which he did fairly well before the concussion. It just so happens that Walker is tougher.

I never get the hate for tough defenseman on this board. Seriously, its like a defenseman drops the gloves and he's automatically hurting the team, or he's a big hitter so that means he's always going out of position to make hits on the opposing forwards.

Lilja is not anything special as a player and Walker would fill that role perfectly if he were to come here. What does Walker do? Give the puck away too much? Guess what.. Lilja was apt to do that all the time. Everyone talks about how great Lilja is like he will be impossible to replace but really he's your fairly average bottom pairing defender that found a nice role on the PK

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Yeah because I said they have to be tough to be a good defenseman? Being tough is a plus and is a style of play. Lilja attempted to play a tough game, which he did fairly well before the concussion. It just so happens that Walker is tougher.

I never get the hate for tough defenseman on this board. Seriously, its like a defenseman drops the gloves and he's automatically hurting the team, or he's a big hitter so that means he's always going out of position to make hits on the opposing forwards.

Lilja is not anything special as a player and Walker would fill that role perfectly if he were to come here. What does Walker do? Give the puck away too much? Guess what.. Lilja was apt to do that all the time. Everyone talks about how great Lilja is like he will be impossible to replace but really he's your fairly average bottom pairing defender that found a nice role on the PK

it has nothing to do with tough defenseman it has to do with walker being a terrible player

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it has nothing to do with tough defenseman it has to do with walker being a terrible player

No it has to do with the fact that whenever a tough Defenseman is brought up as an acceptable replacement for Lilja, he automatically becomes a terrible player. Walker is not so bad that he couldn't replace Lilja.

Look at the stats, Walker had less hits but he is a more punishing player infront of the net, in the corners and has more power behind his hits, Walker has more blocked shots, give aways are the same with Walker playing more games and this is all compared to pre-consussion Lilja. The stats are pretty much the same except plus minus which is caused by a bad team around Walker.

Then take into account that Walker is one of the best fighting defenseman in the league and you come to the conclusion that he is definitely a good replacement for Lilja

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it has nothing to do with tough defenseman it has to do with walker being a terrible player

Some people on the board think that anyone who fights is elevated to godlike genius, and anyone who doesn't fight (Franzen) is a Europuss. They'll never look past the fighting because that's all they see. Truthfully, he's a $1.625 million liability every time he steps on the ice for the next three years for Philly.

This is a horrible deal for Philly, but it was the best one on the table and one they had to take given their cap situation. Normally they were able to hide salary and shift guys on and off LTIR but they're clearly out of options if Gagne is healthy.

But, wow. Stamkos, Gagne, St. Louis, Lecavalier... that's the beginnings of a good, top-five offense in the NHL. A couple more 20-goal guys develop and they're right up there with Pittsburgh at forward. Defense is still a problem, but it was also a problem with Walker there.

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No it has to do with the fact that whenever a tough Defenseman is brought up as an acceptable replacement for Lilja, he automatically becomes a terrible player. Walker is not so bad that he couldn't replace Lilja.

Look at the stats, Walker had less hits but he is a more punishing player infront of the net, in the corners and has more power behind his hits, Walker has more blocked shots, give aways are the same with Walker playing more games and this is all compared to pre-consussion Lilja. The stats are pretty much the same except plus minus which is caused by a bad team around Walker.

Then take into account that Walker is one of the best fighting defenseman in the league and you come to the conclusion that he is definitely a good replacement for Lilja

I don't think so, he and if he is he is on the extreme low end of what kenny would want

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