stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I posted this in another thread and it got me thinking - In order to disperse defensive minutes better and get that right handed shot on the point for both PP pairings that Babcock loves... I have a suggestion that many may think is crazy, but I think it would be perfect... add Eaves to the point on the PP - He has a cannon of a shot, has pretty damn good puck control and has proven that he can score, given the chance... I think it's more situational settings that need to be addressed for our defense to even out the minutes and I think adding Hnidy would also help with this... disperse the minutes, given the situation... spread out the PP and have Nick play less on the PK to conserve minutes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Rafalski Ericsson-Hnidy PP1 Lidstrom-Rafalski PP2 Kronwall-Eaves PK1 Ericsson-Hnidy PK2 Stuart-Kronwall/Lidstrom (rotated out depending on shifts) when all is said and done, minute dispersal should be something like this: Lidstom, Rafalski - 22 mins a night Stuart, Kronwall - 20 mins a night Ericsson, Hnidy - 18 minutes a night Obviously, as there are more PP or PK situations in a game, this will vary, but with the proper dispersal and situational settings laid out, it shouldn't have to vary much and guys would be more effective and rested... Once again, some of you may think this is crazy, but I genuinely believe this would work AMAZINGLY and I think we'd see Eaves have a career year... 4 Branton87, Z Winged Dangler, Dave and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I'm sure they going to try Modano on the point as well 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PROBIE4PREZ 58 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Modano on the point? isnt he left handed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Modano on the point? isnt he left handed? yes... Modano may get time up front on the PP, but not on the point... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Doesn't matter if he's left or right, he played on the point alot of times in dallas 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I posted this in another thread and it got me thinking - In order to disperse defensive minutes better and get that right handed shot on the point for both PP pairings that Babcock loves... I have a suggestion that many may think is crazy, but I think it would be perfect... add Eaves to the point on the PP - He has a cannon of a shot, has pretty damn good puck control and has proven that he can score, given the chance... I think it's more situational settings that need to be addressed for our defense to even out the minutes and I think adding Hnidy would also help with this... disperse the minutes, given the situation... spread out the PP and have Nick play less on the PK to conserve minutes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Rafalski Ericsson-Hnidy PP1 Lidstrom-Rafalski PP2 Kronwall-Eaves PK1 Ericsson-Hnidy PK2 Stuart-Kronwall/Lidstrom (rotated out depending on shifts) when all is said and done, minute dispersal should be something like this: Lidstom, Rafalski - 22 mins a night Stuart, Kronwall - 20 mins a night Ericsson, Hnidy - 18 minutes a night Obviously, as there are more PP or PK situations in a game, this will vary, but with the proper dispersal and situational settings laid out, it shouldn't have to vary much and guys would be more effective and rested... Once again, some of you may think this is crazy, but I genuinely believe this would work AMAZINGLY and I think we'd see Eaves have a career year... I think it could work, if Eaves played there all year I could see hhim getting 40 points. Maybe not this season but definitely the next as he improves. Eaves can rifle a wrist shot hard I know that, but how hard is his clapper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I think it could work, if Eaves played there all year I could see hhim getting 40 points. Maybe not this season but definitely the next as he improves. Eaves can rifle a wrist shot hard I know that, but how hard is his clapper? he's got a pretty wicked slap shot too, gets his shot off quickly (doesn't need a big wind up) and he's smart with the puck, three things I think are very important to play the point on a PP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 he's got a pretty wicked slap shot too, gets his shot off quickly (doesn't need a big wind up) and he's smart with the puck, three things I think are very important to play the point on a PP He also has some decent offensive instincts which would go a long way and he is miles better defensively then Williams so he would be less of a liability that way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 He also has some decent offensive instincts which would go a long way and he is miles better defensively then Williams so he would be less of a liability that way exactly... that's another reason I see it being worth giving it a shot, no one can be worse than Williams, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I'd be all for it. Eaves probably has the best shot on the team outside of Franzen, he can really unleash the power. Extremely underrated shot and if he stays healthy and saw a bit of PP time, I could see him netting close to 20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) Being on the point you gotta have those fast lateral movement, versitile, hockeysense, like a freakin' QB in football, when has eaves ever shown any of those abilities? Edited August 5, 2010 by mindfly 1 Lidstrom for life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Being on the point you gotta have those fast lateral movement, versitile, hockeysense, like a freakin' QB in football, when has eaves ever shown any of those abilities? When would he have the chance until he's give a shot. A 3rd line guy stuck in a grinder role wouldn't be able to show case that very often. Also he wouldn't have to QB it Kronwall would 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Babcock has said that Modano would be on the second PP unit. So we could have 2 scenarios Bertuzzi - Filppula - Franzen Modano - Kronwall or Bertuzzi - Modano - Franzen Kronwall - Eaves/Other My theory is Babcock goes with scenario 1 for more weapons and doesn't worry that Modano isn't a righty. I also don't think you would see Eaves on both PP and PK, and I think the Wings want him more on the PK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 When would he have the chance until he's give a shot. A 3rd line guy stuck in a grinder role wouldn't be able to show case that very often. Also he wouldn't have to QB it Kronwall would couldn't have said it better myself. Babcock has said that Modano would be on the second PP unit. So we could have 2 scenarios Bertuzzi - Filppula - Franzen Modano - Kronwall or Bertuzzi - Modano - Franzen Kronwall - Eaves/Other My theory is Babcock goes with scenario 1 for more weapons and doesn't worry that Modano isn't a righty. I also don't think you would see Eaves on both PP and PK, and I think the Wings want him more on the PK. I think he's definitely more important on the PK, but to say you don't want him on both doesn't make a lot of sense, he doesn't see a ton of minutes on the 4th line anyway, so his minutes would come primarily from PK, PP and then 4th line minutes, which I HIGHLY doubt would top 16 minutes a game and I'm positive he can handle that... Lidstrom has been playing both PK and PP his whole career, Z and Dats have done it quite a bit too, and they have much bigger roles and more 5-5 ice time too... if anything that's more reason to do it, like I said in the first post, minute dispersal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdavis 28 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 What it boils down to is Eaves getting more ice time. Once he gets more ice time, and proves himself better, I'm sure he'd be getting a chance on the PP. I see potential in Eaves. I don't think that your suggestion is crazy at all. Hopefully he can also be more comfortable next year, and really prove to Babcock that he is ready to be put on the PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) When would he have the chance until he's give a shot. A 3rd line guy stuck in a grinder role wouldn't be able to show case that very often. Also he wouldn't have to QB it Kronwall would Why take that risk? To get good on the point takes alot of practice, are the wings suppose to have a weird and un-timed 2nd PP unit because he MIGHT get synced and workin great in 3-4months? has he ever played there before in his career? There are better more safe picks for that spot imo... Edited August 5, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Why take that risk? To get good on the point takes alot of practice, are the wings suppose to have a weird and un-timed 2nd PP unit because he MIGHT get synced and workin great in 3-4months? has he ever played there before in his career? There are better more safe picks for that spot imo... If anything, this just further backs the point to give it a look... to say someone deserves a shot doesn't mean just throw them in there in gametime and "see how it goes"... there's a little thing called practice to work the kinks out, but the thought to give it a try has to be attempted first to ever know if it could progress... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I think there's a lot of potential for Eaves to wind up getting some power play minutes this year either up front or possibly on the point even. I really think he's just a good break away from becoming a potent scorer. He's got the tools, he's already shown he can actually do it, he just needs to keep gaining confidence and when he gets that break, run with it. Hopefully it's not too much right away though so we can sign him long term for a reasonable amount! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangleDangleBeach 16 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 Babcock has said that Modano would be on the second PP unit. So we could have 2 scenarios Bertuzzi - Filppula - Franzen Modano - Kronwall or Bertuzzi - Modano - Franzen Kronwall - Eaves/Other My theory is Babcock goes with scenario 1 for more weapons and doesn't worry that Modano isn't a righty. I also don't think you would see Eaves on both PP and PK, and I think the Wings want him more on the PK. why put eaves on the 2nd pp unit when hudler and cleary apparently aren't on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 why put eaves on the 2nd pp unit when hudler and cleary apparently aren't on it? Both are left handed shots and both already DO play the PP... UP FRONT, Cleary not as much, but Hudler will be a regular and Cleary will see some PP time... I'm not really sure where you're going with this???? We're talking about on the point.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 I posted this in another thread and it got me thinking - In order to disperse defensive minutes better and get that right handed shot on the point for both PP pairings that Babcock loves... I have a suggestion that many may think is crazy, but I think it would be perfect... add Eaves to the point on the PP - He has a cannon of a shot, has pretty damn good puck control and has proven that he can score, given the chance... I think it's more situational settings that need to be addressed for our defense to even out the minutes and I think adding Hnidy would also help with this... disperse the minutes, given the situation... spread out the PP and have Nick play less on the PK to conserve minutes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Rafalski Ericsson-Hnidy PP1 Lidstrom-Rafalski PP2 Kronwall-Eaves PK1 Ericsson-Hnidy PK2 Stuart-Kronwall/Lidstrom (rotated out depending on shifts) when all is said and done, minute dispersal should be something like this: Lidstom, Rafalski - 22 mins a night Stuart, Kronwall - 20 mins a night Ericsson, Hnidy - 18 minutes a night Obviously, as there are more PP or PK situations in a game, this will vary, but with the proper dispersal and situational settings laid out, it shouldn't have to vary much and guys would be more effective and rested... Once again, some of you may think this is crazy, but I genuinely believe this would work AMAZINGLY and I think we'd see Eaves have a career year... if i'm not mistaken, you and me were just 2 of many people last season saying how we wanted eaves and his cannon on the 2nd pp in place of that bum williams who never hits the net. time should be split between him and modano. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 if i'm not mistaken, you and me were just 2 of many people last season saying how we wanted eaves and his cannon on the 2nd pp in place of that bum williams who never hits the net. time should be split between him and modano. you are correct! I brought it up right around the time that Stuart started slumping and was looking tired from all the extra minutes... I've thought since last year that it was, at bare minimum, worth a look and you were one of the few that didn't call me crazy back then, haha I can definitely see the point of having Modano back there, given his history and just overall skill, it's just nice to have that righty, lefty dynamic back there for one timers and that's one of that main reasons I want to see Eaves at least given a look... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) I wish i could tell babcock how overrated it is with the must "one left and one right at the points"...just get a guy accustomed to it and he'll be fine.. Stuart, Modano (have played there before for years)...even Ericsson (really heavy shot, just gotta get it more accurate) could do it better than eaves imo Edited August 5, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) I wish i could tell babcock how overrated it is with the must "one left and one right at the points"...just get a guy accustomed to it and he'll be fine.. Stuart, Modano (have played there before for years)...even Ericsson (really heavy shot, just gotta get it more accurate) could do it better than eaves imo Although I understand your point and think it's a little overrated too, it still sets up much better one timer opportunities and it does have it's advantage... with that said, I actually agree that all 3 of them would be better options back there on skill and/or shot speed alone, but you can't argue the fact that Babs IS in love with the righty-lefty combo and with that mindset, it makes perfect sense to give Eaves a shot... keep in mind he's still only 25 and has a lot of untapped potential, this could also be the boost he needs to really flourish EDIT - Also, keep in mind that when Modano played the point in Dallas, his PP partner was Robidas(R handed shot) more or less, there is a reason so many coaches stick to the format and it does make a difference... Edited August 5, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 5, 2010 you are correct! I brought it up right around the time that Stuart started slumping and was looking tired from all the extra minutes... I've thought since last year that it was, at bare minimum, worth a look and you were one of the few that didn't call me crazy back then, haha I can definitely see the point of having Modano back there, given his history and just overall skill, it's just nice to have that righty, lefty dynamic back there for one timers and that's one of that main reasons I want to see Eaves at least given a look... stuart was a force last year, but s*** he needed a break once in a while. eaves would have been good. and mindfly, the reason for the righty/lefty is because with all of the shot blocking in the NHL these days you have to be able to get the one-timers off on the the PP. if you have to stop before shooting, there's about a 80% chance some crazy bastard is gonna get in the way of the shot. look how effective lids/raffi are. eaves/kronwall would be pretty sick. i'm gonna go with stevkrause on this one. eaves is responsible defensively too, so there's not too much worry back there. williams was a defensive slug on the PP. got his ass burned often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
