kolo 10 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 Do you have to have a two way contract or something to be waived? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 No, you can still be waived, there are simply different rules for guys on one-ways, including the need to pay their full salary if they are sent to the minor vs. the 10-20% that you'd would be paying someone on a two-way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 Kris Draper has a +35 contract, meaning he signed a multi-year deal over the age of 35. If he is waived or if he retires his cap hit still counts anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kolo 10 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 Kris Draper has a +35 contract, meaning he signed a multi-year deal over the age of 35. If he is waived or if he retires his cap hit still counts anyways. hmm... Do you think it would of been better to waive him... and keep Ritola? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 hmm... Do you think it would of been better to waive him... and keep Ritola? We wouldn't have the cap space. His contract would still count against the cap, even if he is in the minors or retired... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 hmm... Do you think it would of been better to waive him... and keep Ritola? For this year? Maybe, but Draper provides a lot of intangibles for the team that don't show up on the score-sheet. In the long term- probably not. It can also be argued (and I wouldn't disagree) that the Wings' commitment to their veterans is part of the reason the team is able to sign/retain players in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 You get a whole $100,000 break on his hit towards the cap if Draper was in the minors... ie. not worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Toledo 233 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 It's possible he could have consistent injury issues and be placed on LTIR. If I'm not mistaken, players on the LTIR don't count against the cap until they come back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 It's possible he could have consistent injury issues and be placed on LTIR. If I'm not mistaken, players on the LTIR don't count against the cap until they come back. Pretty much... though they still technically count against the cap, you can exceed the cap while they are out (assuming you are up against it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 It's possible he could have consistent injury issues and be placed on LTIR. If I'm not mistaken, players on the LTIR don't count against the cap until they come back. If this happens, don't be surprised to see Draper signed to another contract (he if wants it) similar to Maltby's. I don't see Draper retiring after playing <20 games in a season unless he has serious injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 Pretty much... though they still technically count against the cap, you can exceed the cap while they are out (assuming you are up against it). I've always thought that was a dumb, redundant rule. If they weren't up against the cap then them being on LTIR has no bearing on whether they would be able to sign someone or not anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted October 6, 2010 I've always thought that was a dumb, redundant rule. If they weren't up against the cap then them being on LTIR has no bearing on whether they would be able to sign someone or not anyway. Try playing a game w/ 2 goalies on LTIR and no cap space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted October 6, 2010 Try playing a game w/ 2 goalies on LTIR and no cap space. I was talking about this: though they still technically count against the cap, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 7, 2010 I've always thought that was a dumb, redundant rule. If they weren't up against the cap then them being on LTIR has no bearing on whether they would be able to sign someone or not anyway. Get a gaggle of lawyers in a room together and left becomes three rights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 7, 2010 We wouldn't have the cap space. His contract would still count against the cap, even if he is in the minors or retired... With the bonus cushion, we actually could have afforded it. Would have only left us with around $150K, but it was technically possible. I would swear Draper had a no move clause though, but according to capgeek it's just a no trade, so again, technically possible. Not that it would have been a good thing to do either way. This board was all over Chicago for dumping Huet, now some want to suggest we should have done the same thing to Draper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kolo 10 Report post Posted October 7, 2010 With the bonus cushion, we actually could have afforded it. Would have only left us with around $150K, but it was technically possible. I would swear Draper had a no move clause though, but according to capgeek it's just a no trade, so again, technically possible. Not that it would have been a good thing to do either way. This board was all over Chicago for dumping Huet, now some want to suggest we should have done the same thing to Draper? I'm not saying dump drapper... but I think (since he is already injured and if we could of afforded it) I think I would of waived drapper... and still of had ritola? I mean, I don't really want to see LEINO 2.0 again... lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites