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#101 esteef

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:11 PM

I never said it wasn't. I still think he should have only been suspended for one game.

I never said you said it wasn't. :rolleyes: Your statement made it sound like the suspension was excessive "since" he got the game misconduct.

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#102 Howard He Do It?!

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:12 PM

I never said you said it wasn't. :rolleyes: Your statement made it sound like the suspension was excessive "since" he got the game misconduct.

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That's exactly what it was supposed to convey. Thornton was assessed a game misconduct, as required by the rules, so I think he should have been only suspended for 1 game.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:14 PM

I wont say it's blindside considering Perron's whole body, but his face, is facing Thorton. I will call a headshot though.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:19 PM

Horrible. I was all for the league doing away with hits like the ones on Booth and Savard, but this is completely different. I should of known better than to think the league could implement and enforce a new rule without completely going overboard.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:31 PM

So this hit gets Joe one less game then the Doan hit which was way worse.

More players are going to start to embellish hits that are good. Even more are going to start playing with their heads down because they think they will be safe from this rule.

Horrible. I was all for the league doing away with hits like the ones on Booth and Savard, but this is completely different. I should of known better than to think the league could implement and enforce a new rule without completely going overboard.

Don't you remember when the new interference call was starting to be made. Every game was darn near a special teams event.

Edited by dragonballgtz, 05 November 2010 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:38 PM

That's exactly what it was supposed to convey. Thornton was assessed a game misconduct, as required by the rules, so I think he should have been only suspended for 1 game.

I see. But if the call is made and the auto game misconduct will always be assesed, it shouldn't really have any bearing on the suspension duration, if there is one. Maybe they thought the hit was severe enough or blatant enough? Maybe Joe's a repeat douchebag? Who knows?

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:01 PM

Don't you remember when the new interference call was starting to be made. Every game was darn near a special teams event.

Yes but the repercussions are worse IMO. Like you said, players are going to start to think it's ok to skate with your head down while skating through the neutral zone and hitters are going to opt out of laying someone out who is doing so for fear of being suspended.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:52 PM

Edit: The solution is to somehow minimize the shoulder and elbow pads so they are not weapons. If a player feels he will not get hurt at all by creaming somebody, he will not think twice about it. But if he knows it's going to hurt him too, he'll back off a lot. Like in th old days of the NFL when everyone arm tackled. Go back to Chelios/Shanahan style pads or something of that sort, with leather helmets. Flame on.

Agreed.

Don Cherry has been on this same issue for nearly a decade...Your absolutely right about reducing the amount of padding in both elbow, and shoulder pads; if it hurts as much to deliver the hit as it does to receive it - then many players will start thinking twice about using their shoulder/elbow as a potential weapon.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:58 PM

This is another hit where although I don't think there should be a penalty, Joe Thornton should show some respect for the player he is about to hit. YES Perron should should have his head up, yes it was a suicide pass but Thornton knows what the outcome is about to be. This is just lack of respect knowing you are going to cream a guy who doesn't know it is coming.


So, your problem with it is that it was impolite? Heaven forfend!

It's a physical sport and if players can't be bothered to look in front of them then they're going to get hit. It's not just that he should have been looking, it's that his goalie should have been banging out the final 5 seconds before Thornton came out of the box and his D man shouldn't have fed him a suicide pass. You seem to agree with that. How do you hold Thornton responsible if Perron did none of the basics of protecting himself? Perron was on his way through the neutral zone and Thornton's job is to stop him, but you seem to think he should have just gotten out of his way.

If Perron had his head up, he would have taken a hit but been okay. As it stands, he missed a single shift.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:59 PM

Two games...what af****** joke of a league. Honestly, last time I checked it was the Nation HOCKEY League not the National ***** PUCK League... Thornton gets paid to lay people out each night and Perron gets paid to keep hisf****** head up. Who didn't do what they were supposed to?

Edited by TX Wing, 05 November 2010 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2010 - 05:07 PM

I'll give up on the NHL soon... what af****** disaster it has become...

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 05:44 PM

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 06:44 PM

Couldn't disagree more with this.

I'm 6'4", and the last thing on my mind when I was about to make body contact with an opponent was 'oh - better to lower myself a tad so I don't run the risk of injuring the poor guy'...If anything I kept my elbows in, and tried to used my frame moreso than my shoulder so I wouldn't risk dislocation.

For a taller player to lower his stance would only increase the chance for a lower back injury, and - or being the guy getting knocked on his ass by altering his balance...As for widening your stance - I found that if I missed contact with my opponent I'd risk going knee-on-knee, and that ain't good either.

Guys just gotta keep their heads up.

What are you talking about? I never once said anything remotely to that. I never said anything about not wanting to injure anybody, I just didnt want to be that douchebag that hits guys in the head when i can crush them on the chest instead and delivery and equally painful and devastating check.

You're a hockey player, you back always gunna be F'd up. Bending over to make a hit won't sacrifice your spine if you make the proper adjustments while delivering the hit. It's like lifting up boxes, you can bend over the proper way to lift the box, or you can do it the lazy way and hurt yourself.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 07:02 PM

So, your problem with it is that it was impolite? Heaven forfend!

It's a physical sport and if players can't be bothered to look in front of them then they're going to get hit. It's not just that he should have been looking, it's that his goalie should have been banging out the final 5 seconds before Thornton came out of the box and his D man shouldn't have fed him a suicide pass. You seem to agree with that. How do you hold Thornton responsible if Perron did none of the basics of protecting himself? Perron was on his way through the neutral zone and Thornton's job is to stop him, but you seem to think he should have just gotten out of his way.

If Perron had his head up, he would have taken a hit but been okay. As it stands, he missed a single shift.


My problem is that there is a lack of respect in the todays game for other players.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 07:04 PM

My problem is that there is a lack of respect in the todays game for other players.


Based on what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYe8UH4Jyo

Looks like the only thing that's changed is media coverage and better cameras.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 07:10 PM

Based on what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYe8UH4Jyo

Looks like the only thing that's changed is media coverage and better cameras.


Some of those hits are clean, some of them are by dirty players. What is your point ? I guess my comment of "in todays game" should not have been said like that. It doesn't change my opinion on the hit.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:05 PM

The suspension is just disgusting, this is getting sickening, the sport is being ruined
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:11 PM

Based on what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYe8UH4Jyo

Looks like the only thing that's changed is media coverage and better cameras.

you're right. that 5 minute youtube clip accurately represents decades of hockey.

well played sir.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:16 PM

you're right. that 5 minute youtube clip accurately represents decades of hockey.

well played sir.


Thanks. Glad to see I have people that see my point of view.

Your support is appreciated.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 01:56 AM

Agreed.

Don Cherry has been on this same issue for nearly a decade...Your absolutely right about reducing the amount of padding in both elbow, and shoulder pads; if it hurts as much to deliver the hit as it does to receive it - then many players will start thinking twice about using their shoulder/elbow as a potential weapon.

It didn't stop Howe :P





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