Doughty HUGE hit on Hall

[newfy 695]

This isn't the same instance at all. Go and ask Mickey if he agrees with the conduct in today's NHL if you are so hell bent on disagreeing with me.

I guarantee you if we had a young Steve Yzerman type on our team that got lit up by a hit, he would not be telling Yzerman to go after him. If he thought a fight was necessary, he woould not expect Yzerman to do it. Hockey has never been like that, why would a teenager be expected to fight a 30 year old?

[eva unit zero 271]

I guarantee you if we had a young Steve Yzerman type on our team that got lit up by a hit, he would not be telling Yzerman to go after him. If he thought a fight was necessary, he woould not expect Yzerman to do it. Hockey has never been like that, why would a teenager be expected to fight a 30 year old?

I wouldn't so much call it a huge hip check honestly. Doughty basically got in his way and Hall skated full speed into him with his head down. big collision, but mostly from Hall's speed where Doughty basically was more or less in the way and turned it into a hit because Hall wasn't looking. Watch it again. Doughty is there WAY before Hall; Hall could easily have cut inside or passed or dumped the puck had he known Doughty was standing there.

[newfy 695]

I wouldn't so much call it a huge hip check honestly. Doughty basically got in his way and Hall skated full speed into him with his head down. big collision, but mostly from Hall's speed where Doughty basically was more or less in the way and turned it into a hit because Hall wasn't looking. Watch it again. Doughty is there WAY before Hall; Hall could easily have cut inside or passed or dumped the puck had he known Doughty was standing there.

I agree completely, I'm not saying it was a dirty hit and there should've been a fight. I'm just saying tis ridiculous to think that a 19 year old blooming superstar should have to fight his own battles and fights. Hockey has never been like that and never will be

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I guarantee you if we had a young Steve Yzerman type on our team that got lit up by a hit, he would not be telling Yzerman to go after him. If he thought a fight was necessary, he woould not expect Yzerman to do it. Hockey has never been like that, why would a teenager be expected to fight a 30 year old?

You are misrepresenting what I am saying. Again.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Agreed.

Really don't want your star players taking on someone else (especially if that opponent happens to be pretty good with his fists) when there's a teammate more capable of handling these situations for that star player.

Once again it can be very challenging for a fellow Oiler (who's on the ice) to identify if the hit was in fact clean, or dirty...Some teammates don't wait for the video replay on the scoreboard; they'll take matters into their own hands (or fists) if they felt a cheap shot was delivered, and I for 1 can understand that.

Agreed. Hence why Yzerman had Probert and Kocur..Gretzky had Semenko..I can keep going if need be.

[clutchngrab 12]

Wow great hit! Doughty is one of my favourite non-Wings.

Rafalski for Doughty, plus we'll throw in Lebda....Oh wait

I wouldn't so much call it a huge hip check honestly. Doughty basically got in his way and Hall skated full speed into him with his head down. big collision, but mostly from Hall's speed where Doughty basically was more or less in the way and turned it into a hit because Hall wasn't looking. Watch it again. Doughty is there WAY before Hall; Hall could easily have cut inside or passed or dumped the puck had he known Doughty was standing there.

Yup. Skating head down means a free (non-head) shot in the NHL. Or at least that's what it should mean. If that changes, I will drop hockey and follow lacrosse.

[eva unit zero 271]

Agreed. Hence why Yzerman had Probert and Kocur..Gretzky had Semenko..I can keep going if need be.

Gretzky had Semenko...and Messier, and Anderson, and Huddy, and Hunter, and McLelland, and MacTavish, and McSorley, and Fogolin, and Smith...

[Guest Shoreline]

Let it be known NHL that according to the Oil broadcasters rules you can just stick your head out anywhere in front of your body, especially down low, and if you happen to get hit there it's a "head shot". You can also exact retribution in the form of smacking someone who's on the ground in the back of the head. So many things wrong with the video surrounding this hit -- the only good thing here was the hit itself.

Edited January 19, 2011 by Shoreline

[lookalive07 251]

I know it's been beaten to death but I am so ******* sick of the fights after clean hits s*** that happens every ******* time.

[toby91_ca 620]

I know it's been beaten to death but I am so ******* sick of the fights after clean hits s*** that happens every ******* time.

I have no problem with it whatsoever. I don't want to get hit at all and I don't want my teammates to get hit, clean or dirty. If we are getting hammered with clean hits all night long, we aren't going to be doing very well.

If you can make the other team think twice about going for a hit, gives you a pretty cool advantage.

[Guest Shoreline]

I have no problem with it whatsoever. I don't want to get hit at all and I don't want my teammates to get hit, clean or dirty. If we are getting hammered with clean hits all night long, we aren't going to be doing very well.

If you can make the other team think twice about going for a hit, gives you a pretty cool advantage.

I don't agree at all, especially if it's a clean hit like this.

Making an eva unit zero analogy for a second, it would be like in the NFL going after and freight training / tackling the player that cleanly sacks your quarterback.

Clean hit = get your ass up and keep playing. The hit is an indicator that the player being hit left their self in a prone position and is a clue to keep their head up. This is a physical sport but this ego "zomg you can't hit him" wrestling players around and punching them after a clean hit, stopping the game in progress, is bulls***. If someone wants revenge for it, find the player who did it in a prone position and exact revenge in the same clean manner. Even if it were players on this team, if they're getting hit cleanly there's no problem with it at all. Pull up your straps and play the game.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Yup - the intimidation factor is there in cases such as this...This isn't seen much today, but from the 70's, and into the 80's there was plenty of it.

I can't speak to the 70s, but as for the 80s, no there wasn't.

I'm sorry, but there just wasn't. I've been watching hockey pretty seriously since the early to mid 80s on. Games would get chippy, there would be full line brawls, there were plenty of elbows and fights, but that is not the same thing as what happens now.

If a player threw a clean hit, the entire team on the ice did not immediately go jump the guy in the middle of the play. Once in a great while, maybe. But now it's become accepted practice.

And if it was a star player that got hit, one of the enforcers on the team would go after him either during that shift or later in the game. Or that team would often start taking runs at the other teams star players. But that's not the same thing. They would intimidate you from hitting guys because of the enforcers, not because the entire team would cheapshot you at once.

I understand protecting a star player, that's why Yzerman had Probert and Gallant on his wing, but it's gotten f-ing ridiculous. It's bad for the game, and it should be heavily penalized. I love hockey because it's a fast, athletic, tough sport. But jumping guys after clean hits makes it like hockey players are china dolls. Like a player is such a puss that he can't handle being hit, so his whole team has to protect him. People ***** and moan about the new NHL and how they're trying to take hitting out of the game, but jumping guys after clean hits is doing the exact same thing.

Imagine in football after someone got crushed catching a pass, if every player on the offense started trying to fight the defensive back who made the hit. It's idiotic.

Edited January 20, 2011 by haroldsnepsts

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

I can't speak to the 70s, but as for the 80s, no there wasn't.

I'm sorry, but there just wasn't. I've been watching hockey pretty seriously since the early to mid 80s on. Games would get chippy, there would be full line brawls, there were plenty of elbows and fights, but that is not the same thing as what happens now.

If a player threw a clean hit, the entire team on the ice did not immediately go jump the guy in the middle of the play. Once in a great while, maybe. But now it's become accepted practice.

And if it was a star player that got hit, one of the enforcers on the team would go after him either during that shift or later in the game. Or that team would often start taking runs at the other teams star players. But that's not the same thing. They would intimidate you from hitting guys because of the enforcers, not because the entire team would cheapshot you at once.

I understand protecting a star player, that's why Yzerman had Probert and Gallant on his wing, but it's gotten f-ing ridiculous. It's bad for the game, and it should be heavily penalized. I love hockey because it's a fast, athletic, tough sport. But jumping guys after clean hits makes it like hockey players are china dolls. Like a player is such a puss that he can't handle being hit, so his whole team has to protect him. People ***** and moan about the new NHL and how they're trying to take hitting out of the game, but jumping guys after clean hits is doing the exact same thing.

Imagine in football after someone got crushed catching a pass, if every player on the offense started trying to fight the defensive back who made the hit. It's idiotic.

Yeah, I don't remember Scott Stevens ever having an entire team after him following a hard hit. There would be gatherings, but nothing like what has been going on lately. I facepalmed when I saw the Bruins go after Freddy Meyer after his hit on Lucic not too long ago. Was it a hard hit? Yes. Was it a clear cut dirty hit? Hell no. Take the hit, get up, take a license plate number if you felt it was dirty, and get back into the damn play.

[eva unit zero 271]

Yeah, I don't remember Scott Stevens ever having an entire team after him following a hard hit. There would be gatherings, but nothing like what has been going on lately. I facepalmed when I saw the Bruins go after Freddy Meyer after his hit on Lucic not too long ago. Was it a hard hit? Yes. Was it a clear cut dirty hit? Hell no. Take the hit, get up, take a license plate number if you felt it was dirty, and get back into the damn play.

That's because Scott Stevens never laid on hard hits, hurt anybody with a blindside hit, or got his elbows up...