redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah the 30 year old that is barely even outscoring 20 year old and isnt over a ppg in the AHL is critical to this teams future. I really hope whoever liked your post liked it because they were laughing so hard that you actually thought that I find it funnier that you thought I was serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 I find it funnier that you thought I was serious. Haha you never know around here, but youre right I thought you were dead serious. My bad sir, I apologize. I should've known with over 2000 posts youre smarter then that.... Im embarrassed lol The thing about it is, theres actually people on this site who would say what you said in complete for seriousness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 Haha you never know around here, but youre right I thought you were dead serious. My bad sir, I apologize. I should've known with over 2000 posts youre smarter then that.... Im embarrassed lol The thing about it is, theres actually people on this site who would say what you said in complete for seriousness No worries man, I consider you one of the better posters around here and enjoy your insight. I can count several guys I would want up here instead of IFLIP.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 its tough for older players and players that teams haven't invested resources in to make it to the nhl... a few years back i was a season ticket holder for the quad cities flames. i watched kyle greentree score 39 goals as a 25 year old and he still can't get a sniff at the big show. in his case its most likely a speed issue (he's pretty slow) but it just goes to show guys can have real good stats and still not make the show. guys like steve martins, jason krog, darren haydar, etc etc spend years in the minors putting up great numbers. i haven't got to see the griffs as much as i wanted this year. only probably 10 or 20 games early on. so i can't comment too well on how guys are looking. but philosophically speaking i would have liked to see a better rotation on the callups. mursak has 17 games so far, thats pretty darned good. would loved to have saw emmerton a few more games. would have loved to see owens for a few games after that great camp he had. i know its important for the team to try and see what they have in mursak, i just wish they would have played musical chairs a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 its tough for older players and players that teams haven't invested resources in to make it to the nhl... a few years back i was a season ticket holder for the quad cities flames. i watched kyle greentree score 39 goals as a 25 year old and he still can't get a sniff at the big show. in his case its most likely a speed issue (he's pretty slow) but it just goes to show guys can have real good stats and still not make the show. guys like steve martins, jason krog, darren haydar, etc etc spend years in the minors putting up great numbers. i haven't got to see the griffs as much as i wanted this year. only probably 10 or 20 games early on. so i can't comment too well on how guys are looking. but philosophically speaking i would have liked to see a better rotation on the callups. mursak has 17 games so far, thats pretty darned good. would loved to have saw emmerton a few more games. would have loved to see owens for a few games after that great camp he had. i know its important for the team to try and see what they have in mursak, i just wish they would have played musical chairs a little bit. Martins had a ten year NHL career (nine consecutive seasons leading into the lockout, plus the first season after), one of which he spent no time in the minors, and three other seasons where he was primarily on an NHL roster. He was successful in the minors but could never translate it over to the NHL and ended up playing for five different teams; seven if you count the fact that he was a Senator three separate times. Krog played parts of seven seasons in the NHL over ten years (across the lockout; nine NHL seasons), never providing enough offense to gain a top-six role, and not providing enough in the rest of his game to stick in the bottom six. Haydar doesn't bring much other than scoring to his game at the NHL level; this is the reason he hasn't been able to stick with any NHL team. Even Atlanta didn't keep him on, despite the fact he produced a moderate level of offense, simply because offense is not what they needed from him. While these guys might have NHL-level offensive skills, they don't have an NHL-level game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 Martins had a ten year NHL career (nine consecutive seasons leading into the lockout, plus the first season after), one of which he spent no time in the minors, and three other seasons where he was primarily on an NHL roster. He was successful in the minors but could never translate it over to the NHL and ended up playing for five different teams; seven if you count the fact that he was a Senator three separate times. Krog played parts of seven seasons in the NHL over ten years (across the lockout; nine NHL seasons), never providing enough offense to gain a top-six role, and not providing enough in the rest of his game to stick in the bottom six. Haydar doesn't bring much other than scoring to his game at the NHL level; this is the reason he hasn't been able to stick with any NHL team. Even Atlanta didn't keep him on, despite the fact he produced a moderate level of offense, simply because offense is not what they needed from him. While these guys might have NHL-level offensive skills, they don't have an NHL-level game. you are the epitome of taking stats out of context. its guys like you that make using statistics worthless because people see so many bad ones. a 10 year career? scott hartnell has a 10 year career... martins did not have a 10 year career. 4 of his seasons he played less than 5 games. only once ever did he play half a seasons worth of games. haydar produced a moderate level of offense in atlanta? he had 8 points in 16 games. while a .5ppg is certainly noteworthy over a long period, i would not really call some assists strung together over a 2 month period 'moderate production' the worst part, is it has nothing to do with what i was actually saying. i was implying that there are lots of guys with gaudy AHL numbers that aren't able to get regular nhl gigs. haydar scored 122 points in a season in the ahl yet only has 23 nhl games. then again by your standards thats a 4 year nhl career! heck, look at alexanre giroux: he has almost 600 points in the ahl including 200 points in only 138 games in the last 2 years. yet he only has 9 points in 31 career nhl games. so once again i am simply pointing out the ahl has lots of guys with good production that have trouble making and/or staying in the nhl. so ilari having 39 points in 49 games is not exactly a rarity by nhl standards... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted February 12, 2011 Hes peaked to be honest, and this isn't a bad thing, hes in the second best league in the world, he gets to help other players mature and progress and hes being paid pretty well. Not every player that Detroit signs into their minor league system is the next Leino, hes not going to play more than a handful of games in the NHL. If im wrong I will gladly eat crow but I am pretty certain i won't have to. 1 redwingfan19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted February 13, 2011 Hes peaked to be honest, and this isn't a bad thing, hes in the second best league in the world, he gets to help other players mature and progress and hes being paid pretty well. Not every player that Detroit signs into their minor league system is the next Leino, hes not going to play more than a handful of games in the NHL. If im wrong I will gladly eat crow but I am pretty certain i won't have to. It's his first season playing on a smaller rink and he's one of the griffins leading scorer, an AHL allstar, and a leader...but he's peaked? Glad you weren't in charge of Bertuzzi last year/this year, eaves, and Cleary. iFlip will be in the NHL next season, wether it's as our 13/14th forward or on some other team. He has a lot of hockey smarts and he plays an effective Wings style of hockey. And as was asked earlier, iFlip is only waiver exempt this season because it's his first season in North America. 1 Finnish Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 13, 2011 It's his first season playing on a smaller rink and he's one of the griffins leading scorer, an AHL allstar, and a leader...but he's peaked? Glad you weren't in charge of Bertuzzi last year/this year, eaves, and Cleary. iFlip will be in the NHL next season, wether it's as our 13/14th forward or on some other team. He has a lot of hockey smarts and he plays an effective Wings style of hockey. And as was asked earlier, iFlip is only waiver exempt this season because it's his first season in North America. Those guys aren't really fair comparisons at all. Bertuzzi used to be a 90 point guy so I guess you could actually say he has peaked, Cleary was a guy who was playing through innjuries but in the past has shown he can score 20 goals a season and so has Eaves (who is younger then Iflip). Iflip will not really get much better, he is already 30. It is very rare, especially for forwards to improve once they hit 30. He will not have played a single game in the NHL until he is 31 basically, he has pretty much peaked Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted February 13, 2011 It's his first season playing on a smaller rink and he's one of the griffins leading scorer, an AHL allstar, and a leader...but he's peaked? Glad you weren't in charge of Bertuzzi last year/this year, eaves, and Cleary. iFlip will be in the NHL next season, wether it's as our 13/14th forward or on some other team. He has a lot of hockey smarts and he plays an effective Wings style of hockey. And as was asked earlier, iFlip is only waiver exempt this season because it's his first season in North America. Why is it so offensive to you that I don't believe he has place in the Red Wing's roster? Hes not a bottom 6 guy, and the Top 6 guys are all better than him. Hes doing ok in the AHL but hes not the best offensive player on his team (he has the highest totals, but Tatar has a better ppg). Oh, and hes no where near Bertuzzi, Cleary or Eaves, Bert was the only one to come to the wings as someone given the chance to play in top 6, the other two are players that came in to play in the bottom 6 and took that chance and showed they are more than bottome 6 guys. He will probably get a shot at the NHL but from what I've seen from him hes no Leino, hes more of a more offensive Tardif and the wings system needs guys like that to help the young kids mature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 14, 2011 End of the day, Ilari is a good hockey player. He just doesn't deserve a call up ahead of guys like Tatar, Mursak, Emmerton, Tardif and Paré who all (minus Tatar) have been putting in 110% in the AHL for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
