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#41 Majsheppard

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 10:44 PM

No, but they play harder.
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Posted 04 May 2011 - 11:45 PM

If Setoguchi's first goal and Ferriero's OT winner are any indication, the boys need to head back to the arcade and brush up on their pinball.
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 02:51 PM

they always seem to connect with their cycling passes. they rarely have issues clearing the zone. our guys seem to go out of their way to make the high-risk pass or worse yet; soft, weak pass.

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 03:50 PM

C'mon now, the names on paper don't win hockey games. Zetterberg and Franzen are obviously playing hurt, which leaves the Wings with basically one scoring line, Rafalski is pass his prime by quite a while, , so is Draper, Ericsson is not playing nearly as well as he did last year. Filppula is not really a top scoring line center. Datsyuk is the only one that has success, but he needs help.
On the other side of the red line you have an up-coming talented hungry team, and their veterans, even Thornton, are finally playing up to their potential. Their coach knows our team inside and out. They beat us last year, and got even better. We didn't get significantly better since last year. Why is it a surprise in any way, that we are losing again?

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 03:51 PM

No, but they play harder.


Yeah, pretty much this. They are not a better team but they are a team with better chemistry and drive right now.

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 05:53 PM

sharks are cheapest team in the nhl at the moment. wings has always been having problem playing against cheap teams.


Not true. Not even true in just the west. Not even true for the remaining playoff teams.

Sharks get away with a lot of bad calls, but are not a cheap team.

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 06:26 PM

The Sharks top guns are out performing our top guns. Howard has been better than Niemi but just not good enough. IMO we've ouplayed the Sharks games 1 and 3 but have nothing to show for it. As for players, the Sharks have key guys at the right time killing us. The Sharks have imo have out played us as a team overall these last 2 seasons. Dunno if it has something to do with McLellan or not as well knowing our system.

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 06:41 PM

The Sharks top guns are out performing our top guns. Howard has been better than Niemi but just not good enough. IMO we've ouplayed the Sharks games 1 and 3 but have nothing to show for it. As for players, the Sharks have key guys at the right time killing us. The Sharks have imo have out played us as a team overall these last 2 seasons. Dunno if it has something to do with McLellan or not as well knowing our system.


I disagree. Marleau, Heatley and Thornton disappeared as usual, Setoguchi disappeared until last night. The only individual player giving the Wings nightmares is Pavelski, as usual. I would say their second-tier guys are outplaying our second-tier guys.
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 09:18 PM

Yeah, pretty much this. They are not a better team but they are a team with better chemistry and drive right now.


How do you figure that?

They finished with more points, more wins, less goals allowed (and it's not close) and in a tougher division then the Wings had to deal with.

Add to that, they are within 60 minutes of sweeping the Wings right out of the playoffs AFTER the Wings were dominant in the 1st round.

The Sharks are a better team than the Wings. Just admit it and move on.

Hopefully Holland sees it and starts to change things for the better. Keeping the status quo isn't going to help this franchise take the next step.
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Posted 05 May 2011 - 10:53 PM

I disagree. Marleau, Heatley and Thornton disappeared as usual, Setoguchi disappeared until last night. The only individual player giving the Wings nightmares is Pavelski, as usual. I would say their second-tier guys are outplaying our second-tier guys.


Wow! What series are you watching?

Heatley's assist on White's game #2 goal.

Marleau's back-checking and pk play.

Thornton has been a beast this series and last. He's playing with more confidence than ever. He's all over the ice...transition, forechecking, backchecking, attacking the net and making some killer assists.


If all you look at is the scoring stats, your argument stands.

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Posted 05 May 2011 - 10:56 PM

The Sharks top guns are out performing our top guns. Howard has been better than Niemi but just not good enough. IMO we've ouplayed the Sharks games 1 and 3 but have nothing to show for it. As for players, the Sharks have key guys at the right time killing us. The Sharks have imo have out played us as a team overall these last 2 seasons. Dunno if it has something to do with McLellan or not as well knowing our system.


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Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:16 AM

I think that the teams are pretty much on a par with each other. I just have a feeling that we have 4 or 5 guys
playing that are carrying injuries, and its catching up with us. Maybe we can put in one big game tonight to
pro-long the inevitable, but its going to be another long summer.
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 09:42 AM

No!!! Both teams are mirrored images of one another overall. Physically, SJ is bigger and faster.....but lack experience....The hockey gods are smiling upon the Sharks with puck luck at the moment and are testing Detroit's faith. 2 lucky deflections are the difference in this series. ( and poor PK) I see a win tonight! They know what it takes! Let's go boys!:siren:
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 11:17 AM

Detroit is simply not fast enough to beat San Jose on a regular basis.
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 11:41 AM

Ok. My 2 cents. The teams are pretty even as far as skill. Our D-Men are better, the forwards are a wash and the goaltenders are close. Coaching is also close.

But skill alone doesn't win playoff games. Determination, health and luck all play a part. Franzen is not 100% and Z is probably not up to speed after sitting for 2 weeks.

The Sharks are hungrier. That is obvious.

The Sharks have gotten almost all of the breaks. Overtimes are generally a coin flip. Either team can win.

No team could possibly play 5 OT games in 2 rounds of playoffs and win all 5. It's just very improbable. But the Sharks have done just that.

I'm not bitter about it - it sucks but that is the way it goes. Are the Sharks truely better than us as all the experts are saying. I don't believe so. Last year we were clearly gassed so IMO that doesn't prove anything. This year we lost 2 games in OT and the other in regulation - all by 1 goal. If a bounce had gone our way we could still be very much in the series.

I just hope that if we don't advance, either SJ or Vancouver lifts the Cup because that means next year they will not be nearly as hungry...

How do you figure that?

They finished with more points, more wins, less goals allowed (and it's not close) and in a tougher division then the Wings had to deal with.

Add to that, they are within 60 minutes of sweeping the Wings right out of the playoffs AFTER the Wings were dominant in the 1st round.

The Sharks are a better team than the Wings. Just admit it and move on.

Hopefully Holland sees it and starts to change things for the better. Keeping the status quo isn't going to help this franchise take the next step.



News Flash! What they did in the regular season means nothing. Look at Washington.

We have played 3 games and they won 2 in OT so that makes them better? Really?
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:03 PM

Ok. My 2 cents. The teams are pretty even as far as skill. Our D-Men are better, the forwards are a wash and the goaltenders are close. Coaching is also close.

But skill alone doesn't win playoff games. Determination, health and luck all play a part. Franzen is not 100% and Z is probably not up to speed after sitting for 2 weeks.

The Sharks are hungrier. That is obvious.

The Sharks have gotten almost all of the breaks. Overtimes are generally a coin flip. Either team can win.

No team could possibly play 5 OT games in 2 rounds of playoffs and win all 5. It's just very improbable. But the Sharks have done just that.

I'm not bitter about it - it sucks but that is the way it goes. Are the Sharks truely better than us as all the experts are saying. I don't believe so. Last year we were clearly gassed so IMO that doesn't prove anything. This year we lost 2 games in OT and the other in regulation - all by 1 goal. If a bounce had gone our way we could still be very much in the series.

I just hope that if we don't advance, either SJ or Vancouver lifts the Cup because that means next year they will not be nearly as hungry...




News Flash! What they did in the regular season means nothing. Look at Washington.

We have played 3 games and they won 2 in OT so that makes them better? Really?


I disagree. I don't think there's anything improbable about winning 5 OT games. It means they have a knack for scoring big goals and for not allowing the puck in their net when the other team gets chances. It's called being clutch.

The Wings, on the other hand, are terrible in OT every year for about the last decade. That's not a coincidence either.

San Jose just feels more comfortable in that situation and so they make the big play. Sometimes, there's a thin line between winning and losing and this team is always on the right side of that line against us.
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