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#1 blueadams

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:45 PM

I know it's not perfect, but I was trying to be as objective as possible here, so the 'winners' of comparisions - as well as the order of rankings - were all determined by regular season point production.

At first glance...it appears as if San Jose's lone advantage is forwards #3-#7 (Niemi's got a slight advantage over Howard, but that's close enough to not matter).

Does that lone advantage - top-tier forward depth - say anything significant about our roster structure?

Forwards:

1) P. Datsyuk v. J. Pavelski - Detroit
2) H. Zetterberg v. P. Marleau - Detroit
3) J. Franzen v. L. Coture - San Jose
4) D. Cleary v. R. Clowe - San Jose
5) T. Bertuzzi v. J. Thornton - San Jose
6) V. Filppula v. D. Heatley - San Jose
7) T. Holmstrom v. D. Setoguchi - San Jose
8) J. Hudler v. T. Mitchell - Detroit
9) D. Helm v. J. Mayers - Detroit
10) P. Eaves v. K. Wellwood - Detroit
11) J. Abdelkader v. S. Nichol - Detroit
12) D. Miller/K. Draper v. B. Eager/B. Ferriero - Detroit

Defensemen:

1) N. Lidstrom v. D. Boyle - Detroit
2) B. Rafalski v. J. Demers - Detroit
3) N. Kronwall v. M. Vlasic - Detroit
4) B. Stuart v. D. Murray - Detroit
5) J. Ericsson v. I. White - Detroit
6) R. Salei v. J. Wallin - Detroit

Goalies:

1) J. Howard v. A. Niemi - San Jose.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:49 PM

Ian White is better then Ericsson. Wellwood is better then Eaves.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:54 PM

This is in my opinion...

Forwards:

1) P. Datsyuk v. J. Pavelski - Detroit
2) H. Zetterberg v. P. Marleau - Detroit
3) J. Franzen v. L. Couture - Detroit
4) D. Cleary v. R. Clowe - San Jose
5) T. Bertuzzi v. J. Thornton - San Jose
6) V. Filppula v. D. Heatley - San Jose
7) T. Holmstrom v. D. Setoguchi - San Jose
8) J. Hudler v. T. Mitchell - Detroit
9) D. Helm v. J. Mayers - Detroit
10) P. Eaves v. K. Wellwood - San Jose
11) J. Abdelkader v. S. Nichol - Detroit
12) D. Miller/K. Draper v. B. Eager/B. Ferriero - Detroit

Defensemen:

1) N. Lidstrom v. D. Boyle - Detroit
2) B. Rafalski v. J. Demers - Detroit
3) N. Kronwall v. M. Vlasic - Detroit
4) B. Stuart v. D. Murray - Detroit
5) J. Ericsson v. I. White - San Jose
6) R. Salei v. J. Wallin - San Jose

Goalies:

1) J. Howard v. A. Niemi - Tie.

Couture is great for a rookie, but I don't think he's proven he's any better than Franzen yet.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:26 PM

Howard is having a much better playoffs right now than Niemi, stats wise. Wings need to raise that GAA.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:30 PM

Howard is having a much better playoffs right now than Niemi, stats wise. Wings need to raise that GAA.


Yeah, Niemi hasn't been spectacular. The Wings have only gotten a few good shots that San Jose's defense have cleared. Howard, on the other hand, has had two amazing games and a really good first round.
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:32 PM

Ericsson is not better then Ian White :lol:

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:41 PM

Why in God's name is a second line player being compared to Datsyuk?

Should be Heatley, Marleau, or Thornton compared to Datsyuk, and Pavelski should be compared to a guy like Filppula (which he would win every time and it's not even close).

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:21 PM

yes, they are.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:50 PM

1) P. Datsyuk v. J. Pavelski - Detroit
2) H. Zetterberg v. P. Marleau - Detroit
3) J. Franzen v. L. Coture - Detroit and I don't even like Franzen
4) D. Cleary v. R. Clowe - San Jose
5) T. Bertuzzi v. J. Thornton - San Jose
6) V. Filppula v. D. Heatley - San Jose
7) T. Holmstrom v. D. Setoguchi - San Jose
8) J. Hudler v. T. Mitchell - Detroit
9) D. Helm v. J. Mayers - Detroit
10) P. Eaves v. K. Wellwood - Detroit
11) J. Abdelkader v. S. Nichol - Detroit
12) D. Miller/K. Draper v. B. Eager/B. Ferriero - Detroit

Defensemen:

1) N. Lidstrom v. D. Boyle - Detroit no question
2) B. Rafalski v. J. Demers - Detroit
3) N. Kronwall v. M. Vlasic - Detroit no question
4) B. Stuart v. D. Murray - Detroit
5) J. Ericsson v. I. White - San Jose
6) R. Salei v. J. Wallin - Detroit

Goalies:

1) J. Howard v. A. Niemi - Detroit

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:01 PM

If anything, you should be comparing players by salary, not by position in the lineup. Comparing Bertuzzi at $1.5 million to Thornton at $7 million is ridiculous.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 07:19 PM

If anything, you should be comparing players by salary, not by position in the lineup. Comparing Bertuzzi at $1.5 million to Thornton at $7 million is ridiculous.

Good point.

For those that want to be intelligent about this, here's the list:

Datsyuk vs Heatley: Detroit
Zetterberg vs Thornton: Detroit
Franzen vs Marleau: San Jose
Filppula vs Pavelski: San Jose
Hudler vs Clowe: San Jose
Cleary vs Setoguchi: San Jose
Bertuzzi vs Mitchell: Detroit
Holmstrom vs Couture: San Jose
Modano vs Eager: San Jose
Draper vs Ferrerio: Detroit
Helm vs Nichol: Detroit
Abdelkader vs Wellwood: San Jose
Eaves vs Mayers: Detroit
Miller vs Desjardins: Detroit

Lidstrom vs Boyle: Detroit
Rafalski vs Vlasic: Detroit
Stuart vs White: San Jose
Kronwall vs Wallin: Detroit
Salei vs Murray: San Jose
Ericsson vs Huskins: San Jose
Kindl vs Demers: San Jose

Osgood vs Niemi: San Jose
Howard vs Niittymaki: Detroit

San Jose comes out ahead by one, by my reckoning.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:06 PM

Why should this matter?

This isn't the NBA. You can't win on talent alone. We've seen the Wings lose plenty of times to teams we were more talented than at pretty much every position. Why can't we do the same thing to someone else?

Will beats skill in hockey, and SJ is not that much more talented than us for the Wings to lose this series regardless of that fact.

We're just too lazy.
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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:06 PM

Detroit vs San Jose: Detroit

Bounces were not going our way and if they start bye bye San jose thanks for playing!

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:09 PM

Why should this matter?

This isn't the NBA. You can't win on talent alone. We've seen the Wings lose plenty of times to teams we were more talented than at pretty much every position. Why can't we do the same thing to someone else?

Will beats skill in hockey, and SJ is not that much more talented than us for the Wings to lose this series regardless of that fact.

We're just too lazy.


good point, on this, and for the guy comparing by salaries.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:46 PM

For those of you comparing player to player...

It shouldn't be based on points or salary. It should be based on the most obvious determination of where a player falls in his team's structure. Even strength average ice time. Otherwise you're comparing Ed Jovanovski and his $6.5m salary as Phoenix's top defenseman, when in reality he is their #6.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 08:51 PM

For those of you comparing player to player...

It shouldn't be based on points or salary. It should be based on the most obvious determination of where a player falls in his team's structure. Even strength average ice time. Otherwise you're comparing Ed Jovanovski and his $6.5m salary as Phoenix's top defenseman, when in reality he is their #6.

Are you saying Hudler is our 13th forward and Ericsson our top defenseman?

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:29 PM

Detroit vs San Jose: Detroit

Bounces were not going our way and if they start bye bye San jose thanks for playing!


This photo reminds is for all Red Wing fans who make posts like above. People...take off your blinders!

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 10:23 PM

Good point.

For those that want to be intelligent about this, here's the list:

Datsyuk vs Heatley: Detroit
Zetterberg vs Thornton: Detroit
Franzen vs Marleau: San Jose
Filppula vs Pavelski: San Jose
Hudler vs Clowe: San Jose
Cleary vs Setoguchi: San Jose
Bertuzzi vs Mitchell: Detroit
Holmstrom vs Couture: San Jose
Modano vs Eager: San Jose
Draper vs Ferrerio: Detroit
Helm vs Nichol: Detroit
Abdelkader vs Wellwood: San Jose
Eaves vs Mayers: Detroit
Miller vs Desjardins: Detroit

Lidstrom vs Boyle: Detroit
Rafalski vs Vlasic: Detroit
Stuart vs White: San Jose
Kronwall vs Wallin: Detroit
Salei vs Murray: San Jose
Ericsson vs Huskins: San Jose
Kindl vs Demers: San Jose

Osgood vs Niemi: San Jose
Howard vs Niittymaki: Detroit

San Jose comes out ahead by one, by my reckoning.


You forgot an important one...
Babcock vs McLellan: Detroit :cool:

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 10:35 PM

sharks are cheapest team in the nhl at the moment. wings has always been having problem playing against cheap teams.

Edited by ami, 03 May 2011 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2011 - 10:47 PM

You forgot an important one...
Babcock vs McLellan: Detroit :cool:

True. So by my math, that means that each team is even, ergo it's all about effort and luck. :ph34r:





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