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Bouwmeester opinions? Potential trades? *merged*

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Gregg Krupa from the Detroit News reported that rumor coming from a report out of Calgary.

The entire rumor spawned from this blog post made by a random blogger. The blogger's so-called "trusted Flames insider" source, Randy Workman, is himself a fan blogger and is certainly not a team insider.

In other words, the entire "Bouwmeester to Detroit" hype was complete nonsense. It's certainly possible that Holland did inquire about Bouwmeester, but the whole story about trade talks being in progress spawned from a fallacious claim made by a disreputable blogger.

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Honestly, I don't see them trading for a high profile d-man at this point. I think they'll try to get a decent sized stay at home type to replace Stuart and go with that. That's why I was interested in this Ellerby rumor, it seems more likely then sending an offer sheet or trading away one of the relatively few trade assets (Flip, Franzen) that we've actually got.

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Obviously we all do, but adding another smallish puck moving defenseman, on a team full of smallish puck moving defensemen, doesn't really help our chances that much. Del Zotto is good, but not what we need. Let Kronwall take Lidstrom's spot, let White, Quincey, Smith (by committee) take Kronwall's spot, and go get someone to do Brad Stuart's dirty work. That's the best bet for our defense in my opinion. Plus, replacing a stay at home top six guy will be MUCH cheaper than chasing someone like Del Zotto.

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We have a gaping hole on our blue line. This gaping hole is not on the third pairing. It's not somewhere in the vicinity of Kindl Land. It's on our first pairing. We lost Nick Lidstrom; we need a #1 or a #2. We can't just plug Kubina into the equation and say, "Y'know...don't ask me why, but I really feel like our D is going to surprise a lot of people this season." Unfortunately, we probably will just plug Kubina in and take up indefinite residence in a lonely place called Denial for much, if not most, of the regular season.

Kronwall - White

Quincey - Ericsson

[Depth Guy] - Smith

Kindl

:bored:

I'm not comfortable with that. I'm ok ("ok") with not getting a top-tier partner for Kronwall if we get a second-pairing guy so that we can have one of Ericsson or Quincey on the third with Smith without the second-pairing descending into utter suck.

Kronwall - White

Quincey - Del Zotto

Ericsson - Smith

Kindl

Or we could get a second-pairing guy and a depth guy. Or we could get a second-pairing guy and place him as a depth guy. o_O

I'm not waving a giant flag for Del Zotto. I guess in this context he = any good second-pairing guy we might possibly pursue.

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The Rangers have no reason to move a defenseman. They're already strong at forward.

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We have a gaping hole on our blue line. This gaping hole is not on the third pairing. It's not somewhere in the vicinity of Kindl Land. It's on our first pairing. We lost Nick Lidstrom; we need a #1 or a #2. We can't just plug Kubina into the equation and say, "Y'know...don't ask me why, but I really feel like our D is going to surprise a lot of people this season." Unfortunately, we probably will just plug Kubina in and take up indefinite residence in a lonely place called Denial for much, if not most, of the regular season.

Kronwall - White

Quincey - Ericsson

[Depth Guy] - Smith

Kindl

:bored:

I'm not comfortable with that. I'm ok ("ok") with not getting a top-tier partner for Kronwall if we get a second-pairing guy so that we can have one of Ericsson or Quincey on the third with Smith without the second-pairing descending into utter suck.

Kronwall - White

Quincey - Del Zotto

Ericsson - Smith

Kindl

Or we could get a second-pairing guy and a depth guy. Or we could get a second-pairing guy and place him as a depth guy. o_O

I'm not waving a giant flag for Del Zotto. I guess in this context he = any good second-pairing guy we might possibly pursue.

Yeah, I misspoke on my earlier post. I don't want a third pair stay at home guy, but rather a top four. Again, this is why I was interested in that Ellerby rumor. I think we need a replacement for Stuart and our defense looks pretty good. A big, strong, defensive minded defenseman.

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The entire rumor spawned from this blog post made by a random blogger. The blogger's so-called "trusted Flames insider" source, Randy Workman, is himself a fan blogger and is certainly not a team insider.

In other words, the entire "Bouwmeester to Detroit" hype was complete nonsense. It's certainly possible that Holland did inquire about Bouwmeester, but the whole story about trade talks being in progress spawned from a fallacious claim made by a disreputable blogger.

I lol'd at the article... Here's why: (some article quotes)

the market value for Bouwmeester has never been this high.

but then states

Bouwmeester has never lived up to the hype in Calgary

Awesome...just awesome!

then, once again:

Bouwmeester has never lived up to his expectations in Calgary, scoring a total of just 12 goals in his 3 seasons with the Flames.

Although he is no where near worth his $6,680,000 cap hit, Bouwmeester can log huge minutes while playing against the top lines on any given team

Overall with Bouwmeester, the Wings would get a solid blue-liner who although he doesn't deserve his annual $6,680,000 pay check

The Flames would love to have Filppula on their team

This past season, the 28-year old had a career best 66 points in 81 games played

His +18 rating is just a huge bonus for the Flames

Jonathan Ericsson on the other hand, would also be a great addition. His +16 rating for the season would also be a best on the Flames.

So to sum this up, the Wings get a guy that has fallen from grace to be a 3 goal per year, 15-20 point dman and the Flames get Flip who just had a career year and is geared up to do so again if there's a season and Ericsson who has also taken huge strides the past couple years and become a really good shutdown dman as it stated in the article. The article is so contradictory every step of the way and the writer is obviously a complete derp. No thanks to JBo and if the Flames think they're getting both those guys and a pick or anything else, they're out of their mind. Enjoy Hudler and keep Bouwmeester.

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I've changed my mind.

We need a legitimate #1 or #2 to complement Kronwall. Or else we need to stand pat on D (give or take a depth signing or two), maybe look to make a trade up front.

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I have to disagree with you there buddy, I'm not willing to take on that cap hit for JBO no matter what. There are guys with big salaries worth taking a chance on (Semin) and guys were you know exactly what you're going to get. Even if Bouwmeester turned into the same guy he was in Florida (doubtful) he still isn't worth that money. Peole thought Wiz and Erhoff's contracts were bad, but at least they've each scored 50 pts. in their careers, something JBO can't say. For his production to salary ratio you might as well just burn about two million dollars because you're certainly not going to get any use out of it if you're spending on that bum.

Note: Last season 44 defensemen scored more points than JBO, of those 43 had a better plus minus (only Mark Streit's was worse). Furthermore, only Brian Campbell, Chara, and Drew Doughty had a higher cap hit. That means 41 defensemen in the league scored more, cost less, and played better defense than JBO. Why would anyone want this guy for this money? Or, another way to look at it is that you're getting (at best) the 44th best defenseman in the league and paying him as if he's top five in the league (top four actually). Really bad idea.

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It won't be.

let me ask you this, even if the price was nothing, would you be willing to spend half of our available cap space on Bouwmeester? And we'll say he puts up forty two points, which was close to his average in FL I think, and plays his typical 82 games and -5 rating?

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let me ask you this, even if the price was nothing, would you be willing to spend half of our available cap space on Bouwmeester? And we'll say he puts up forty two points, which was close to his average in FL I think, and plays his typical 82 games and -5 rating?

Only if its Franzen and picks. Not Flip.

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I don't think it wise to trade for Bouwmeester, even with our defense the way it is. We have depth up front, yes, but not in the capacity that other teams are interested in. We have two anchors in Zetterberg and Datsyuk, two strong complimentary players in Franzen and Filppulla, and after that we have won't-look-completely-out-of-place in Cleary, Bert, or Sammuelson, and who-knows-what in Nyqvuist and Brunner. Not exactly an excess of skill to work with. The bottom six, however, is flooded. Unfortunately bottom six players don't get you talent on Bouwmeester's level. I don't know that its worth it to trade either Franzen or Filppulla for a top defensman at this point. We'll round out our blue line, but then our top six bears the hole.

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