IllinoisRedWingsFan 49 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Smith and Ericsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) If the Wings do carry 14 forwards & they want someone who can add to the bottom 6, there's a better chance of Sheahan making the team at this point then Emmerton. Sheahan brings more size, can cycle like a demon, & has more offensive upside too. Given the current state of the defense though, I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny signs 2 cheap UFA d-men yet & goes with 8 d & 13 forwards given the lack of d-prospects the Wings can call up from GR in case of injury while still having the likes of Sheahan, Tatar, & possibly Nyquist to call up if a forward goes down. Not a chance. Sheahan will play big minutes or at least a regular shift in Grand Rapids. UNLESS the Wings are decimated by injuries. There's no way, under regular circumstances, that Sheahan stays in Detroit only to sit in the press box or play 5 minutes a night. Edited August 15, 2012 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Not a chance. Sheahan will play big minutes or at least a regular shift in Grand Rapids. UNLESS the Wings are decimated by injuries. There's no way, under regular circumstances, that Sheahan stays in Detroit only to sit in the press box or play 5 minutes a night. Not saying he's gonna make the team, champ, just saying that he's got a better shot than Emmerton does which is realistically 0% at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Where does Emmerton fit in the line up though? I like that you've conceded that Nyquist and Brunner are top 6 guys and assming they're in the top 6 it would look approximately like so: Mule-Dats-Nyquist Brunner-Z-Flip With the bottom 6 having like 20 guys...eff it, i'll just list 'em. Miller, Helm, Abby, Bert, Sammy, Tootoo, Eaves, Cleary, Mursak, Emmerton and possible call ups from Andersson and Sheahan (whom are more useful in the bottom 6), not sure where Emmerton fits in. Bottom 6 with a 13th/14th forward looks more like: Sammy-Helm-Bertuzzi Tootoo-Abby-Cleary Eaves, Miller <---(possible D) Emmerton won't knock any of those guys off and Mursak could be trade bait. Until Bertuzzi, Cleary and Sammy are done in a couple years, we won't see much more roll over on the bottom lines. Youre spot on with the first 12. But #13 is Emmerton. And there will be revolving injuries that allow him to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoupSnake 25 Report post Posted August 15, 2012 Youre spot on with the first 12. But #13 is Emmerton. And there will be revolving injuries that allow him to play. We get it Cory, you really want to play for the Wings this year. Any other year and you might have a chance but there are just too many guys ahead of you that are better. Now get off of LGW and go skate a few laps to get ready for whoever picks you up off of waivers. 1 wingfan91 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 We have a lot of NHL players in disguise here at LGW. It's fun. Honestly, I think Tootoo might be the biggest surprise. I see him becoming a fan-favorite and spending a long time here in Detroit. Or else he flops and gets run out-o-town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 16, 2012 We get it Cory, you really want to play for the Wings this year. Any other year and you might have a chance but there are just too many guys ahead of you that are better. Now get off of LGW and go skate a few laps to get ready for whoever picks you up off of waivers. When are you going to figure out that Im a regular? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Youre spot on with the first 12. But #13 is Emmerton. And there will be revolving injuries that allow him to play. In all likelyhood, you are right and we'll have as per usual 3 injured forwards at any given time of the year and yes, you will get to play Cory ...sorry dude, messing with people is too much fun to pass up. Either way, i'm very interested to see the starting lines on the season opener, so Gary Buttman better bridge the supposed gab between his butt cheeks so we can watch hockey when we should be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Not saying he's gonna make the team, champ, just saying that he's got a better shot than Emmerton does which is realistically 0% at this point. I'm not a huge Emmerton fan, but realistically? 0%? Crazy talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 16, 2012 I'm not a huge Emmerton fan, but realistically? 0%? Crazy talk. Exactly. If he was bad, he'd be gone by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) I'm not a huge Emmerton fan, but realistically? 0%? Crazy talk. Realistically, 0% is what it stands at with our current forward group. Exactly. If he was bad, he'd be gone by now. You obviously don't understand how things work in the NHL. Explain to me how he would be gone by now. Please elaborate in exactly how the hell he would be gone with the insane amount of movement going on in the NHL right now? Oh that's right, because we're in the middle of CBA negotiations and nothing is happening until it is finalized. You're so oblivious its uncanny. He will strive elsewhere but he has no space in Detroit right now. We couldn't waive him down to GR last season and that's exactly why he played that many games. His ice-time went down and the organization basically had no faith in him. Babcock had to use him as a player, otherwise we were going to lose on trade value. Noone says "God, emmerton is so god awful", it's more like "God, we have no use for this player and he doesn't have a spot in the big show right now". I'm not even sure why you're so obsessed with him. Are you related to him? Was I right earlier when I called you Cory? The facts are there and you can go check his icetime log. I wish him the best and know he'll develop better with another organization, unfortunately it's just not with Detroit. Edited August 16, 2012 by evilzyme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Realistically, 0% is what it stands at with our current forward group. You obviously don't understand how things work in the NHL. Explain to me how he would be gone by now. Please elaborate in exactly how the hell he would be gone with the insane amount of movement going on in the NHL right now? Oh that's right, because we're in the middle of CBA negotiations and nothing is happening until it is finalized. You're so oblivious its uncanny. You should look in the mirror. He played 71 games last year. Thats an awful lot for someone with no future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Realistically, 0% is what it stands at with our current forward group. Right. As the roster stands right now.... There are 4 out of the top 6 spots taken for sure: Dats, Mule, Z, Fil Babcock's already said he's starting Brunner out in the top 6, so 1 more spot to fill there unless he really s***s the bed in camp You've got what I would call 3 tweeners to move between the top & bottom 6: Clears, Bert, & Sammy Move one of those tweeners into the top 6 and you still have 7 forwards for the bottom 6: Say Sammy to the top 6 & Cleary, Bert, Helm, Abby, Miller, Tootoo, & Eaves for the bottom 6 There's your 13 forwards right there. With the most glaring hole being the top 6, I don't see that Emmerton has a chance of making the team IF they decide to even carry 14 forwards because the only value he holds is as a 4th line center. Nyquist is the logical choice there IF they carry 14. Emmerton only makes the team if Eaves can't go or for some reason Kenny can't/doesn't re-sign Abby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Right. As the roster stands right now.... There are 4 out of the top 6 spots taken for sure: Dats, Mule, Z, Fil Babcock's already said he's starting Brunner out in the top 6, so 1 more spot to fill there unless he really s***s the bed in camp You've got what I would call 3 tweeners to move between the top & bottom 6: Clears, Bert, & Sammy Move one of those tweeners into the top 6 and you still have 7 forwards for the bottom 6: Say Sammy to the top 6 & Cleary, Bert, Helm, Abby, Miller, Tootoo, & Eaves for the bottom 6 There's your 13 forwards right there. With the most glaring hole being the top 6, I don't see that Emmerton has a chance of making the team IF they decide to even carry 14 forwards because the only value he holds is as a 4th line center. Nyquist is the logical choice there IF they carry 14. Emmerton only makes the team if Eaves can't go or for some reason Kenny can't/doesn't re-sign Abby. Eaves and Miller are spare parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 You should look in the mirror. He played 71 games last year. Thats an awful lot for someone with no future. In counter to that argument... Brett Ledba: Games played per season 2005-06: 46 2006-07: 74 2007-08: 78 2008-09: 65 2009-10: 63 Sometimes you have to play someone because a lack of other options. The Wings already have at least 13 other options ahead of Emmerton as of right now. Eaves and Miller are spare parts. Who have proven themselves much more in the NHL than one Cory Emmerton has, are key PKers for the team, & have shown in a pinch that they can move up beyond the 4th line & still contribute. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Eaves and Miller are spare parts. You obviously haven't watched the Red Wings very long, I know this because of your statement right there. Eaves is one of the few select right handed shots on this team, inwhich case he is also one of our best PK'ers. Miller has shown, has the experience, and will beat Emmerton on the depth charts anyday of the week and twice on sunday, triple if its a midday game. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 OK, given the current discussion I'm changing my biggest surprise of the season to.... First, Kenny goes insane & trades off Pavs, Z, Mule, Fil, & Smith for Jay Bouwmeester and one of Olli Jokinen's Big Macs that he left in the Calgary locker room. After fan backlash, Mr. I fires Kenny & replaces him with Pierre McGuire. Still with me? No other GM will deal with the Wings new ******-nozzle of a GM so the Wings have to rely on just existing roster players & are forced to call up the youngsters from GR. Because Helm is what makes the bottom 6 what it is, that vaults Emmerton into the #1 center role. He still responds with 50 goals & 105 points in a 60 game, lockout shortened season & beats out Evgeni Malkin for the Hart, Ross, & Richard trophies. And THAT would be the absolute biggest surprise of the 2012-13 season. Not gonna happen but it would be a real surprise if it did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Right. As the roster stands right now.... There are 4 out of the top 6 spots taken for sure: Dats, Mule, Z, Fil Babcock's already said he's starting Brunner out in the top 6, so 1 more spot to fill there unless he really s***s the bed in camp You've got what I would call 3 tweeners to move between the top & bottom 6: Clears, Bert, & Sammy Move one of those tweeners into the top 6 and you still have 7 forwards for the bottom 6: Say Sammy to the top 6 & Cleary, Bert, Helm, Abby, Miller, Tootoo, & Eaves for the bottom 6 There's your 13 forwards right there. With the most glaring hole being the top 6, I don't see that Emmerton has a chance of making the team IF they decide to even carry 14 forwards because the only value he holds is as a 4th line center. Nyquist is the logical choice there IF they carry 14. Emmerton only makes the team if Eaves can't go or for some reason Kenny can't/doesn't re-sign Abby. At the risk of being called "champ" again, I'll use the Sheahan arguement once more, only this time for Nyquist. IF Nyquist isn't playing a regular shift, he'll be back in Grand Rapids. He won't have to clear waivers. Emmerton HAS to clear waivers, and he won't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) At the risk of being called "champ" again, I'll use the Sheahan arguement once more, only this time for Nyquist. IF Nyquist isn't playing a regular shift, he'll be back in Grand Rapids. He won't have to clear waivers. Emmerton HAS to clear waivers, and he won't. By all reports, Brunner doesn't have to pass through waivers either but Mursak would have to. So by that logic...Mursak up/Brunner down. OK that's settled then, roster set: Cory Emmerton & Jan Mursak are your 2012-13 Red Wings #13 & #14 forwards! Congrats to both! Under normal circumstances, the whole "we would have to put player A through waivers but not player B so player A stays" might work. Given the Wings' needs this season, I think there's a greater chance that we see more of "Player B is clearly more talented than player A so let's take our chances because player B's going to the top 6" type of thinking. Edited August 16, 2012 by ogreslayer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Franzen - Datsyuk - Brunner Filppula - Zetterberg - Samuelsson Bertuzzi - Helm - Cleary Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo/Eaves Eaves/Tootoo, Nyquist prolly 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 Franzen - Datsyuk - Brunner Filppula - Zetterberg - Samuelsson Bertuzzi - Helm - Cleary Miller - Abdelkader - Tootoo/Eaves Eaves/Tootoo, Nyquist prolly Looks pretty accurate to me, though I think if Cleary has a rebound year then he and Sammy might be switched on the second line. Probably depends on who's playing better and who finds the right chemistry with Z and Flip. However, the possibility of a Z, Flip, Brunner line really intrigues me. They could flat out fly. Plus, Cleary had career numbers when playing with Dats and Franzen two years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 I like Cleary in the top-6, but I don't like Sammy on the third line. My don't-like outweighs my like. (As you can see this is all very scientific.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) The reason I like Cleary with Dats and Franzen is because he'll do all the dirty work and allow Franzen to play his perimeter game (he's going to do it regardless so we might as well expect it). And that does relegate Sammy to the third, which I'm not in love with, but then again, I'm not really in love with him playing on the team at all. For me, I guess it just depends on who's having the better season as they're both capable of playing in either scenario. Edited August 16, 2012 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 The reason I like Cleary with Dats and Franzen is because he'll do all the dirty work and allow Franzen to play his perimeter game (he's going to do it regardless so we might as well expect it). And that does relegate Sammy to the third, which I'm not in love with, but then again, I'm not really in love with him playing on the team at all. For me, I guess it just depends on who's having the better season as they're both capable of playing in either scenario. And if Eaves can't go, I could see something like this: Mule-Pavs-Brunner Flip-Z-Gus Cleary-Helm-Bert Sammy-Abby-Tootoo Miller Still think depending on whether or not Kenny can grab a dependable & skilled d-man once the CBA's settled i.e. grab one off a buyout or trade w/ a team that has to get under a new, lower cap, the Wings might end up going with 8 d-men on the roster. Grab 2 UFAs to rotate with Kindl in the 6 hole & have a little insurance against injuries on the blue line. At this point the GR callups would be who, Lashoff & maybe Almquist? I don't see Kenny or Babs being all that comfortable with that. Plenty of callup options for forwards, not so much w/ d-men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted August 16, 2012 I guess I'm thinking Brunner might spark something in Franzen. No matter how I slice it, I don't like our top-6 or our top-4. DOOM & GLOOM!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
