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#1 evilzyme

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

ESPN Insider has a new article up

 

http://insider.espn....ecome-gm-summer

 

 

Top 10 GM candidates for this offseason

 

 

1. Jim Nill, Red Wings
In February, colleague Pierre LeBrun reported that Nill's contract includes a six-week out window in which he can leave the Red Wings starting this offseason. The bit of flexibility in his personal services contract with the Ilitch family is something rebuilding teams should take advantage of in the summer. There's not an NHL executive more prepared and ready to run his own team than Nill. He has encyclopedia-like knowledge of every young player already in the NHL or on the way in the next few seasons and the Red Wings' ability to stay competitive without the assistance of first-round picks near the top of the draft is a credit to his ability to identify and develop talent.

 

"He's got tremendous gut instincts based upon his playing day career and 20ish years of player assessment," wrote Red Wings GM Ken Holland in an email. And there's not a more quality individual in the league than Nill. "He treats people and the game with respect," Holland said. Detroit's CBA expert and salary-cap manager Ryan Martin is another strong mind who deserves consideration, especially with his background on the other side of the table when he worked as an agent with Kurt Overhardt.

 

If someone has insider, can you tell us if that's the most they have about Nill? If you don't mind, you can share the other 9 also!

 

What do you guys think? Would Nill leave the organization, or would he wait it out for the GM position in Detroit?


Edited by evilzyme, 17 April 2013 - 08:27 PM.

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#2 Travis

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:56 AM

This is my life now, I'm the Insider guy.

 

 

2. Paul Fenton, Predators
Claude Noel, who has kept the Jets in the playoff race as one of the East's surprising postseason contenders, credited his time in the Nashville organization for building the base of what it looks like to run a successful franchise.
 
"Winning became a result of the foundation of the body of work you provided," he said. Nashville's fingerprints are now all over the league, sometimes in the form of a starting goalie or franchise defenseman or in the form of a general manager like Shero who developed under David Poile in Nashville. Fenton is no different. He's another great talent evaluator who knows how to build a team without lavish spending. He's ready.
 
3. Laurence Gilman, Canucks
Fans of advanced stats love Gilman because he's shown a willingness to include statistical analysis as a part of decision-making. He's part of a group of smart, analytical thinkers that includes guys like Stars assistant GM Frank Provenzano and Washington assistant GM Don Fishman. It wouldn't be surprising to see all three running teams someday. In explaining his use of advanced stats, Gilman told the CBC's Elliotte Friedman: "Believe me when I tell you there are percentage results that allow you to coach and manage your team to hedge bets in certain events."
 
It's a provocative statement and one he wasn't willing to expand on for me.
 
"We don't want to educate our competition," he said, while politely declining to provide more details. Gilman has helped build the Canucks into an annual Stanley Cup contender, deftly keeping Vancouver's group of stars around long-term in a cap system.
 
4. Ron Hextall, Kings
Kings GM Dean Lombardi is quick to credit Hextall for his part in building the Kings into a Stanley Cup champion. The obvious contribution is the fact Los Angeles has two high-end goaltenders in Jonathan Quick and Jonathan Bernier but Hextall's impact goes well beyond that. After retiring as a player, Hextall put in the work as a scout, the thousands of miles on the road, learning the trade. He remains as competitive as he was as a player but carries a presence and ability to communicate with today's players that is invaluable.
 
"You're in that job, you've always got to remember that these people are working together for you. You're part of it. He got that from his dad," said Flyers senior vice president Bobby Clarke when we chatted about Hextall last spring. "He's earned the right to be GM in this league."
 
5. Brad Treliving, Coyotes
Like Maloney, Treliving's contract is up after this season and the uncertain future surrounding the Coyotes could be an opportunity for a rival team. The job Maloney and Treliving have done in keeping that team competitive on a limited payroll is remarkable. Even more impressive is that Treliving has helped the organization restock its young players while the NHL team has won. Their group of young defensemen, led by Oliver Ekman-Larsson, is poised to be one of the deepest in the West. Prospect Brandon Gormley may be the next Phoenix star on defense. It's a unique situation in Phoenix but one in which Treliving has thrived.
 
"In our position, the focus has been how do we get better? Not getting caught up in all the other noise in the background," Treliving said on Tuesday, during an AHL scouting trip. "It's been trying to really break down our team and our organization into little bites and say how do we improve by percentage points in particular areas? That's been our focus."
 
It'd be fun to see what Maloney or Treliving could do with stability, a real budget and an actual owner.
 
6. Jeff Gorton, Rangers
Shortly after the Penguins made their trade-deadline splash, I had a conversation with Gorton wondering how the Rangers would respond. He assured that there was a Rangers plan in place and we'd all find out in due time. Then he and GM Glen Sather made the bold step of trading Marian Gaborik, despite scoring issues, to replenish their depth and free up summer cap space. They also added Ryane Clowe, who has been a great fit for New York. The moves could end up sparking a Rangers postseason run and if they face the Bruins, it will be a matchup of two teams that Gorton had a huge hand in building. Gorton left Boston to join the Rangers and his draft record with both teams stacks up with that of anyone in the league.
 
7. Jason Botterill, Penguins
When the Penguins started adding expensive veterans at the trade deadline, fans wondered how a team with so many high-paid players was able to fit the new pieces in under the cap. Credit Botterill, who is the Penguins' salary-cap point man. It wasn't even an issue. Botterill has the playing background as a former first-round pick of the Stars and went back to the University of Michigan to get his MBA after his playing days were done. His responsibilities with the Penguins are similar to what Chuck Fletcher did during his time in Pittsburgh and what Shero did in Nashville.
 
"[He's a] good listener and has a good opinion," Shero said.
 
8. Jim Benning and Don Sweeney, Bruins
Peter Chiarelli deserves a lot of credit for building the Bruins into an annual Cup contender, but he's another GM who is quick to deflect the credit toward the guys working with him in assistant GMs Sweeney and Benning.
 
"Both outstanding in their own way," Chiarelli said. Benning spent 12 seasons with the Sabres, including eight seasons as the team's director of amateur scouting. Chiarelli leans on him for all player personnel decisions. Sweeney is in charge of the development of the Bruins' prospects, implementing the team's first development camp in 2007.
 
9. Tim Murray, Senators
He's got the pedigree as the son of Bryan Murray's brother but more importantly he's a big part of the young talent contributing to the Senators' surprising success. He oversees Ottawa's AHL team in Binghamton, a group that won the 2011 Calder Cup, and it's many of those players who have helped the Senators stay in the playoff race while injuries crushed veterans. Ottawa is another team that has managed to develop a large group of impressive young talent without the traditional tear-down rebuild like the one the Oilers are struggling to emerge from.
 
10. Julien BriseBois, Lightning
He's a rising star in the NHL world of executives and in the past has shown he's in no hurry to rush his development, which started in Montreal and is now in its third season under Steve Yzerman in Tampa Bay. He's got the base of a lawyer, with a background working arbitration cases with the law firm Heenan Blaikie before he joined the Canadiens. Tampa's AHL affiliates have thrived under BriseBois, with the Norfolk Admirals winning the organization's first Calder Cap last spring. With Yzerman, BriseBois has restocked a thin prospect pipeline in Tampa. If Quebec ever gets another NHL team, it's hard to imagine a better GM hire than BriseBois, a native of Greenfield Park, Quebec.

 


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#3 evilzyme

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:51 AM

Hey Travis, you know we love you. Appreciate the extended article buddy. I was simply hoping for more information about Nill but I got bonus with the whole article!


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:39 AM

Interesting speculation over on RWC; 

 

Posters are saying that Nill's wife actually has cancer and was the main reason for him turning down the Montreal job. I could also see him not wanting to move the family and what not. He has strong ties to the franchise and is pretty comfortable. I honestly don't see him leaving the franchise but rather taking Holland's job in the future.


Pavel Datsyuk - "Pasha" - #13
"Got no fun if you got no puck"
'"I like ladies" - Towards the Lady Byng trophy
"Hannnnnnnnnnk"
"Okay $5 now"

 

I'm Don Cherry and Danny DeKeyser is my Kadri.


#5 evilmrt

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

Interesting speculation over on RWC; 

 

Posters are saying that Nill's wife actually has cancer and was the main reason for him turning down the Montreal job. I could also see him not wanting to move the family and what not. He has strong ties to the franchise and is pretty comfortable. I honestly don't see him leaving the franchise but rather taking Holland's job in the future.

 

Wow, thats horrible. Is that just speculation, or what?



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

 

Wow, thats horrible. Is that just speculation, or what?

 

It's true. 

 

http://www.usatoday....rathon/1616771/

 

Originally, Nill's wife, who is battling cancer, was training to run in the event. When the training became too difficult for her to manage, Nill committed to take her place

 

http://www.mlive.com...d_wings_22.html

 

“I had two great talks with Montreal; I was interested, they were interested,'' Nill said. “But it's not the right time.''

Nill does not have an out clause in his contract this season, but the Canadiens called Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch for permission to speak to him.

Ilitch gave Nill his blessing, telling him the organization appreciates his years of service and his loyalty and that it would not prevent him from joining the Canadiens.

Nill has been the team's assistant GM under Ken Holland for 14 seasons and has spent 18 years in the Red Wings' front office. He runs the amateur scouting department and oversees the selections at the entry draft. He also oversees the development of the organization's prospects with the Grand Rapids Griffins, as well as those in the Canadian junior, European and college ranks.

Nill has four years remaining on his contract, with different out clauses each season.

“My goal is to become a general manager,'' Nill said. “There will be opportunities down the road.''

 

Seems like he would take a job once his family health is better. I'm not sure how it is currently.


Edited by evilzyme, 18 April 2013 - 12:01 PM.

Pavel Datsyuk - "Pasha" - #13
"Got no fun if you got no puck"
'"I like ladies" - Towards the Lady Byng trophy
"Hannnnnnnnnnk"
"Okay $5 now"

 

I'm Don Cherry and Danny DeKeyser is my Kadri.


#7 evilmrt

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:04 PM

 

It's true. 

 

http://www.usatoday....rathon/1616771/

 

 

http://www.mlive.com...d_wings_22.html

 

 

Seems like he would take a job once his family health is better. I'm not sure how it is currently.

 

Thanks for the info. I would really like to see him take over for Kenny. Not making the playoffs could expedite that.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:05 PM

If Jimmy D would just retire already this whole mess would sort itself out. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

If Jimmy D would just retire already this whole mess would sort itself out. 

 

Semi-retirement, i.e. Bowman and his "special consultant" status could work. 







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